Tol-in-Gaurhoth CIII: Big Magic in Middle Earth Arcane Encampment (Game Thread)

[Loslote]

++Steve

Good Night, village. Good Night.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, I've woken back up. Anyone feel like getting me up to speed?

[Thinlómien]

++Greenie

Just to make a point.

It will hardly make me feel any more stupid if I'm wrong, and it will make me look incredibly smart if I'm right. So here we go.

[satansaloser2005]

Please excuse the delay. I'm bereaved now that you've killed Steve. (Actually, I just have a terrible headache, but that too.)

Steve is, erm, excuse me, was an ordinary wizard.

Night 5 begins.

Casting:
Shasta
Kath
Nerwen
Cop
McCobbler
Lottie
Green
Lommy

Cast aside:
Sally (moddess)
Morsul (collateral damage)
Legate (wizard, lynched Day 1)
Dun (wizard, slain Night 2)
Holby (sorcerer, lynched Day 2)
Echo (wizard wizard, silenced Night 3)
Boro (wizard prince, lynched Day 3)
Steve (wizard, lynched Day 4)

[satansaloser2005]

After the day's events, no one could sleep. The wizards remained vigilant, staring up at the black sky as they waited, their ears searching for the slightest sound, the faintest hint that someone may be moving.

The sound they heard, however, was far from faint.

Everyone leapt to their feet, following the sound of two women screaming until they came upon Greenie and Copper . Unfortunately, they were too late.

As their friends approached, both lasses fell to the ground, their bodies limp, their hands empty. Part of Greenie's cloak had been burned away, its absence revealing a dark hand print. Copper lay beside her, her robes mussed and ripped from a struggle. She, too, bore an unnatural hand print on her body, but hers was around her neck.


Casting:
Shasta
Kath
Nerwen
McCobbler
Lottie
Lommy

Cast aside:
Sally (moddess)
Morsul (collateral damage)
Legate (wizard, lynched Day 1)
Dun (wizard, slain Night 2)
Holby (sorcerer, lynched Day 2)
Echo (wizard wizard, silenced Night 3)
Boro (wizard prince, lynched Day 3)
Steve (wizard, lynched Day 4)
Cop (killed Night 4)
Greenie (killed Night 4)

[Thinlómien]

I guess we don't really need Sally's clarification though.

Greetings to Cop who's certainly reading: have I ever told you you're freakin' awesome! That was very neat, I was thinking you're the ranger and apparently the wolves were along the same lines. Oopsie.

Okay I should maybe stop gloating but it's nice to 1) have a village victory because nowadays the wolves always seem to win, 2) be on the winning side and 3) be at least sometimes right about something.

Any last words, Shastiekins?

[Kath]

Well either way, Eonwe was innocent so Shasta is a wolf.

However, MODDESS - will the narration make clear whether there was a Saruman ... erm ... thing last Night? As in, are we actually in a position where we lynch Shasta and we've won, or not?

[Loslote]

Well done, Cop!

++Shasta

[Nerwen]

Lottie and Steve, I owe you an apology.

++Shasta

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Well either way, Eonwe was innocent so Shasta is a wolf.

However, MODDESS - will the narration make clear whether there was a Saruman ... erm ... thing last Night? As in, are we actually in a position where we lynch Shasta and we've won, or not?

It doesn’t actually say whether Saruman’s power becomes active in the case of the other wolf being taken down by the Hunter, but I think it’s implied:

Originally Posted by The Rules

Saruman has a one-shot power which allows him to add a new member to his order. He must do this when he is the only sorcerer remaining, and doing so must not cause him to automatically win the game. This person will join him at the beginning of the following phase of game play (e.g. if he selects a person during the Night, they will join him the next Dawn, whereas if he chooses them during the Day, they will join him at Dusk).

However, I also think Greenie was much more likely to have been Saruman.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

However, I also think Greenie was much more likely to have been Saruman.

Spoilers: Even the sorcerers don't know which of them is/was Saruman.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Spoilers: Even the sorcerers don't know which of them is/was Saruman.

OH.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Sally

Spoilers: Even the sorcerers don't know which of them is/was Saruman.

Are you serious? Then what about telling us if Greenie was Saruman or not?

Anyway:

++Shasta

Not sure if I'll be around still toDay, since there seem to be no pressing matters to be resolved and I'm going to hang around at my mum's for most of the day. I might pop in again closer to the deadline to see what's happening.

And honestly if the game doesn't end toDay then I will say the rules basically make it impossible for the village to win because I don't think we could have played much better (or had much better luck) - c'mon, the ranger made a save, the seer dreamt of a wolf and the hunter killed a wolf.

[McCaber]

++Shasta

I think that's really all that needs to be said.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Are you serious? Then what about telling us if Greenie was Saruman or not?

I'd be happy to. Greenie was not Saruman.

(Not that answering that question really answers your question, but I think you'll find I actually already answered your question in a way....and this circular sentence structure means I definitely need to find some breakfast.)

[McCaber]

Even assuming the worst and that we're dealing with an additional sleeper wolf, Lottie should have seen one innocent from toNight who didn't get turned on us. Which is a starting point at least.

[Kath]

Right well. Lets assume sally is being opaque for the sake of trying to add interest to the last Day and just go for it.

++SHASTA

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Right well. Lets assume sally is being opaque for the sake of trying to add interest to the last Day and just go for it.

Well, of course there’s no way Sally is going to pass up such an opportunity to mess with our heads– but all the same, it sounds as if we must indeed have an extra wolf.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, of course there’s no way Sally is going to pass up such an opportunity to mess with our heads– but all the same, it sounds as if we must indeed have an extra wolf.

You don't. Holby was Saruman.

[Kath]

I was asking because in the event that something happened, would the Seer know? Like, if the Seer dreamed someone who was also turned that Night would they be seen as their original innocent self or their now guilty self?

Basically I'm imagining worst case scenarios.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm out of the house at the moment, but, um, yeah, game over.

[Inziladun]

Nice job, village! I admit to having no clue about the wolves, though I did get a little Gifted vibe from Cop after my demise.
Speaking of which, was I taken out for any special reason? I thought when I was killed that there were surely better candidates for a no-trail kill.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Nice job, village! I admit to having no clue about the wolves, though I did get a little Gifted vibe from Cop after my demise.
Speaking of which, was I taken out for any special reason? I thought when I was killed that there were surely better candidates for a no-trail kill.

*cough cough*

[Coppermirror]

Ahaha, I only got to take out a wolf at a time when I knew for certain who they were.

Shasta and Greenie, why did you choose to night kill me then, knowing that I could be the Pact Mage and that I would definitely get one of you if I was?

[Loslote]

Good game, innocents!

I actually dreamed Cop last Night - I figured I might as well know which she was, plus, if she were turned, she could pretend she hadn't been Night-killed because the wolf was afraid she was the hunter.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Ahaha, I only got to take out a wolf at a time when I knew for certain who they were.

Shasta and Greenie, why did you choose to night kill me then, knowing that I could be the Pact Mage and that I would definitely get one of you if I was?

You were protected on the night there wasn't a kill. By our reasoning, no Ranger would be stupid enough to protect someone they knew was the Hunter, so you were clearly a self-protecting Ranger.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

You were protected on the night there wasn't a kill. By our reasoning, no Ranger would be stupid enough to protect someone they knew was the Hunter, so you were clearly a self-protecting Ranger.

Ah, I see.

The night I was protected I was hunting Eönwë, although I did actually consider making a last minute switch to Shasta. It would have been bad for the village if I'd got killed at that point.

So, who do I have to thank for making the save? Come forward, o save-making Ranger!

[Boromir88]

I would not have let Greenie go after that completely evil vote she pulled. That was eeeevilll. But then you folks went along with it and all I could think about after witnessing my bandwagon lynching:



(Although I understand SeerLottie's reasoning and in the end...my gameplan as an ordo is to always die at somepoint if it means the gifteds are not dying). Go village. And woot sally (nearly forgot great-bad pun on Echo

[Inziladun]

I think it's incredible that you all lynched useful people like Legate and Boro instead of me. Hopefully that'll be the case next time I happen to be on the other side.

[Kath]

I was the Ranger. I protected Cop that Night 'cause it looked like she was going to Hunt someone I thought to be innocent. Worked out pretty well for us in the end!

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Kath

I was the Ranger. I protected Cop that Night 'cause it looked like she was going to Hunt someone I thought to be innocent. Worked out pretty well for us in the end!

I think whoever it was was probably safe from me, since at least the way I was interpreting the rules, I couldn't successfully night kill anybody who wasn't a sorcerer. But thanks for the save! It definitely worked out well. Credit goes to you for confusing the wolves and Lottie for dreaming of Greenie at the best possible time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I think it's incredible that you all lynched useful people like Legate and Boro instead of me. Hopefully that'll be the case next time I happen to be on the other side.

Hear, hear!

Well, I enjoyed it while it lasted. Though as usual, or in fact, I believe this time more than usual, those who actually said I was "suspicious" were completely pulling it out of nowhere (and they even weren't Wolves). I would also like to use this opportunity to point out that I have been consistently voted out during Day 1 in several past games, and whereas it lifts the burden of bothering oneself with future analyses on next Days, it gets a bit tedious. I might consider a different approach, but I think lynching on the basis of... nothing... also plays its part. (As in, the only semi-valid argument I saw against me was "he posts things without any substance", which, of course, got me lynched as opposed to about ten other people, who did exactly the same, except they didn't, unlike me, post anything else of substance. But as we know, that's how Werewolf works. )

But congrats to the village, and the Wolves too (it was going well for you folks in the beginning, but then the Gifteds started playing their best cards). It was fun to follow the game. And also, hope our first-time and long-time-no-see-players enjoyed this, and most of all, hope this game reignited the interest in WW... hint hint?

[Thinlómien]

Despite being occasionally very frustrated, I actually enjoyed this game very much. It was so fun to play with you all again, it's been too long! Thanks everyone, you made it great.

The gifted did all a great job, and my hats off to the wolves too - you had some bad luck along the way.

Also, I know I shouldn't gloat, but I'm seriously impressed with myself in this game despite talking in circles, helping in getting innocent!Boro lynched and being quite certain Eönwë is the seer.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

I was the Ranger. I protected Cop that Night 'cause it looked like she was going to Hunt someone I thought to be innocent. Worked out pretty well for us in the end!

Oh, she was a non-logical Hunter! I missed that in Sally’s description, and I think the wolves must have too.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, she was a non-logical Hunter! I missed that in Sally’s description, and I think the wolves must have too.

No, it was a bit of both. The description says that the Pact Mage ability kicks in if they're harmed by the person they selected (or if the person selected is a sorcerer), so the only time I could have killed an innocent is if I was killed during the Day and the person I was hunting had voted for me. If I'd been hunting an innocent during the Night and I was Night killed by sorcerers, the innocent wouldn't have done me any harm, so they wouldn't have died.