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Loslote · 07-19-2017, 06:22 PM

Still, I guess it's better there was no lynch than that an innocent Eonwe was lynched? Maybe? Either way, I'm super unimpressed with the probable innocents who let that happen - I'm looking at Sally and Brinn, who should have known better than to let it get that close to a tie. And also who didn't pick up on the very obvious wolf pack behavior by Legate, Lal, and Eomer. That should have been an easy lynch, and they royally messed it up.

Mithalwen · 07-19-2017, 06:23 PM

Well if we hadn't empowered and Nerwen is telling truth we saved an innocent at least

Inziladun · 07-19-2017, 06:26 PM

Silly living people.

Loslote · 07-19-2017, 06:26 PM

The one thing I could think of to explain Sally and Brinn's votes is maybe the GW tried to intervene on a Gifted Legate's behalf, but I think Legate would have just revealed as Gifted if that were the case.

Mithalwen · 07-19-2017, 06:41 PM

Brinniel was defending Sally over Shasta as submarine saying she posted more content. Hmm Edit No actually she said the reverse. Well that is another theory scuppered

Anyway http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x227rl we can dance if we want to

Kuruharan · 07-19-2017, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Brinniel was defending Sally over Shasta as submarine saying she posted more content. Hmm

Anyway http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x227rl we can dance if we want to

I was just listening to that...

Mithalwen · 07-19-2017, 06:56 PM

Splendid

Nogrod · 07-20-2017, 12:42 AM

Indeed!

It's now up to this Night's activity whether the game still continues or not.

The positive side is, that the EW needs to succeed in two different actions (one turning into a wolf and one kill) and the GW seems to have quite a nice track-record in intervening her plans (or stumbling on them) thus far.

The negative side is, that the Evil-side can co-operate whereas the good one probably can't. I haven't yet read the end of yesterDay and it seems (looking at the discussion in this thread) there just might be a possibility for goodies to know things? Well, I'm going to read that myself the next.

Nogrod · 07-20-2017, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm super unimpressed with the probable innocents who let that happen - I'm looking at Sally and Brinn, who should have known better than to let it get that close to a tie. And also who didn't pick up on the very obvious wolf pack behavior by Legate, Lal, and Eomer. That should have been an easy lynch, and they royally messed it up.

I'm a bit worried it wasn't that simple...

Truly, you could read Legate and Lalaith being somewhat annoyed hearing the gifteds might be given knowledge on other innocents' roles. But looking at it from another angle it might also be read as last minute stress when they were afraid a baddie was pulling a major trick on them and they felt powerless against it.

I mean I don't know. I'm kind of drawn to the first interpretation (aka. Lalaith & Legate could be wolves - Lal from the beginning, Leg from N3 could fit). But think also of the possibility Nerwen is a wolf - they knew that if an innocent was lynched they'd only need to manage a conversion or a kill the next Night (so only one of their two actions would be enough) to win. And I certainly wouldn't put it past Nerwen to be able and willing to pull that kind of daring from her arsenal.

The good thing is, there are clearly two parties forming there. So we just need to pick up the right one to back it toMorrow (given there is a toMorrow) - and there are all the odds the Night's actions could give us a clue on that.

Nogrod · 07-20-2017, 01:42 AM

Oh, and still on a totally different issue.

Now that we have no fresh lynchee, should we check someone - and who? Is there any reason why a certain Night's action would be more interesting to know more about than some other's? Is there actually anything we can learn from the Night-kills, or are we all Night-killed plain ordos by definition (as goodies we wouldn't want to hide any role given to us from each other here, I presume)?

Mithalwen · 07-20-2017, 02:14 AM

Well Kuru has cleared up my mystery we won't know if you are a visitor til it happens. A hunter kill would require 2 carcases ao unless i am being terminally thick as usual we don't have one among us. Wolf on wolf nightkill seems unlikely. But may as well confirm one night kill. I would rather it not me , not because I am scared just won't learn anything.

I am going to read through with my vote liat and see if it confirma my ideaa and prejudices!

Thinlómien · 07-20-2017, 02:33 AM

Ugh. Ugh.

I am so confused. Will be back later, but I really don't know who's who in the living thread. Also I don't know what the good wizard is playing at.

Yes we should confirm someone's role. If Morsul was something weird I think we'd know by now. I know I was an ordo. So I'd go for either Mith or Nogrod. Maybe check which one has a weirder narration? Also Nogrod, unlike Mith, hasn't explicitly stated he was an ordo, or then I missed it.

Mithalwen · 07-20-2017, 02:44 AM

I rather think our living had stopped worrying about vote trail since they thought game ending. Only advantage goodies had is that the baddies needed to avoid Hunter and GW. I suspect all those who voted for Eonwe are evil . Eomer may be only ordo. If Nerwen is EW she hasn't full complement of wolves or she would have got her kill. Anyway that is my theory. Will see if it pans out.

Morsul the Dark · 07-20-2017, 03:20 AM

++Nog
Lommy makes a fair point.

Mithalwen · 07-20-2017, 03:44 AM

]++Nogrod

Nogrod · 07-20-2017, 04:01 AM

I can only say the same as Lommy & Mith, that I myself would learn something from checking another person than me, but well, one can't always get what one wants.

So fine by me. I'm an ordo.

++ Nogrod

The narration the Night I died was pretty weird - but if the only viable extra with my ordoness is that I'm the visitor (which I doubt looking back at the situation both wizards were in), then we won't learn it this way... But anyway. No problem as I don't see any maajor reason to believe that Morsul, Lommy or Mith were some evil tricksters either.

Inziladun · 07-20-2017, 06:16 AM

Get this out of the way:

++Nog

Kuruharan · 07-20-2017, 06:54 AM

Well, that makes a majority, and since I am about to step out my door for a brief out of town work trip...

*drumroll*

Nogrod is PREY.

FYI, I won't be available again until a few hours before deadline.

Now, a happy song to build morale!

Doubly appropriate as it is a summer time anthem.

Inziladun · 07-20-2017, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Well, that makes a majority, and since I am about to step out my door for a brief out of town work trip...

*drumroll*

Nogrod is PREY.

Good to know he's not leading us astray. An evil Nog is very adept at it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Now, a happy song to build morale!

Doubly appropriate as it is a summer time anthem.

Excellent. I feel sunnier already.

Boromir88 · 07-20-2017, 07:23 AM

Darnit, missed the reveal...

Well then just for the record...

++Morsul

At least there was a probable innocent saved. I'm inclined to believe Nerwen. Her and Shasta usually team up together which is awesome for us if they're gifteds, but absolutely dreadful if they're wolves.

Shasta's got a point about sally's tone this game too...Granted I was more random and strange than usual, but if she's innocent she's being very unhelpful and careless.

Boromir88 · 07-20-2017, 07:30 AM

I say this because while Nerwen is speaking more certainty on her knowledge (certainty that would suggest either gifted or wolf/EW)...

Those who are challenging her "how she knows" aren't going after her to lynch. Lalaith, Legate, Eomer...it's like they're trying to leave her for a night kill if they're able. Because they're trying to cast doubt on her knowledge, therefore she's evil...but then they turn to get Eonwe lynched for basically no reason.

Sorry if none of that makes sense. Basically if Lalaith, Legate, and Eomer were innocent and truly felt Nerwen is evil/false with her reveals yesterday, why did they try to get Eonwe lynched?

Mithalwen · 07-20-2017, 10:42 AM

Is there any real point I wonder putting more time in this I feel it is going to all happen without us intervening.

Inziladun · 07-20-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Is there any real point I wonder putting more time in this I feel it is going to all happen without us intervening.

Certainly our hands are tied for the moment. What comes next we'll see after the Day breaks....

Nogrod · 07-20-2017, 01:50 PM

As there is a real option the game ends toNight, I see no great incentive to work for hours trying to clear things up to myself - or to you my companions in this predicament. Especially because if the game actually continues after the dawn comes, there will be some critically important new information to chew, possibly making most our toil toNight irrelevant or at least outdated.

So with that I'll probably withdraw now from toNight (I'll check around later if something happens).

See you toMorrow! Hopefully in a game that is still on!

PS. We're going to our summer-cottage tomorrow afternoon (RL = GMT +3) with a gang... including Lommy and Legate. We'll have internet access there and at least our phones - I thought I might take my laptop with me (not sure yet) but as there is no electricity, there is no way to charge it once the battery runs out. And anyway, we'll be concentrating mostly on other things than WW up to Sunday/Monday (not sure yet whether we come back on Sunday evening or on Monday).

Inziladun · 07-20-2017, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As there is a real option the game ends toNight, I see no great incentive to work for hours trying to clear things up to myself - or to you my companions in this predicament. Especially because if the game actually continues after the dawn comes, there will be some critically important new information to chew, possibly making most our toil toNight irrelevant or at least outdated.

So with that I'll probably withdraw now from toNight (I'll check around later if something happens).

See you toMorrow! Hopefully in a game that is still on!

PS. We're going to our summer-cottage tomorrow afternoon (RL = GMT +3) with a gang... including Lommy and Legate. We'll have internet access there and at least our phones - I thought I might take my laptop with me (not sure yet) but as there is no electricity, there is no way to charge it once the battery runs out. And anyway, we'll be concentrating mostly on other things than WW up to Sunday/Monday (not sure yet whether we come back on Sunday evening or on Monday).

Ok, sir. Hope you all have a great time unplugged from the world!

Mithalwen · 07-20-2017, 05:07 PM

Save that Master Nogrod has forgotten that he may be a visitor but he may have a better recall than I do and not need to make notes. Certainly he and Lommie can sort out his wrongness between themselves...

Kuruharan · 07-20-2017, 05:45 PM

The Cast

Legate of Amon Lanc
Brinniel
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim

Nerwen
Shastanis Althreduin
Eönwë

Inziladun
Loslote
Boromir88
Morsul the Dark
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Mithalwen
Nogrod
Pervinca Took

WEREWOLVES VICTORIOUS!

In honor of the werewolf victory, let us now consider this thread concluded and have our post game discussion in the Living Thread.

07-19-2017, 06:22 PM	#361
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Still, I guess it's better there was no lynch than that an innocent Eonwe was lynched? Maybe? Either way, I'm super unimpressed with the probable innocents who let that happen - I'm looking at Sally and Brinn, who should have known better than to let it get that close to a tie. And also who didn't pick up on the very obvious wolf pack behavior by Legate, Lal, and Eomer. That should have been an easy lynch, and they royally messed it up. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

07-19-2017, 06:23 PM	#362
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Well if we hadn't empowered and Nerwen is telling truth we saved an innocent at least __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-19-2017, 06:26 PM	#363
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	Silly living people. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

07-19-2017, 06:26 PM	#364
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	The one thing I could think of to explain Sally and Brinn's votes is maybe the GW tried to intervene on a Gifted Legate's behalf, but I think Legate would have just revealed as Gifted if that were the case. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

07-19-2017, 06:41 PM	#365
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Brinniel was defending Sally over Shasta as submarine saying she posted more content. Hmm Edit No actually she said the reverse. Well that is another theory scuppered Anyway http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x227rl we can dance if we want to __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 07-20-2017 at 10:37 AM. Reason: correction

07-19-2017, 06:56 PM	#367
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Splendid __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-20-2017, 12:42 AM	#368
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Indeed! It's now up to this Night's activity whether the game still continues or not. The positive side is, that the EW needs to succeed in two different actions (one turning into a wolf and one kill) and the GW seems to have quite a nice track-record in intervening her plans (or stumbling on them) thus far. The negative side is, that the Evil-side can co-operate whereas the good one probably can't. I haven't yet read the end of yesterDay and it seems (looking at the discussion in this thread) there just might be a possibility for goodies to know things? Well, I'm going to read that myself the next. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-20-2017, 01:42 AM	#370
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Oh, and still on a totally different issue. Now that we have no fresh lynchee, should we check someone - and who? Is there any reason why a certain Night's action would be more interesting to know more about than some other's? Is there actually anything we can learn from the Night-kills, or are we all Night-killed plain ordos by definition (as goodies we wouldn't want to hide any role given to us from each other here, I presume)? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-20-2017, 02:14 AM	#371
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Well Kuru has cleared up my mystery we won't know if you are a visitor til it happens. A hunter kill would require 2 carcases ao unless i am being terminally thick as usual we don't have one among us. Wolf on wolf nightkill seems unlikely. But may as well confirm one night kill. I would rather it not me , not because I am scared just won't learn anything. I am going to read through with my vote liat and see if it confirma my ideaa and prejudices! __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-20-2017, 02:33 AM	#372
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Ugh. Ugh. I am so confused. Will be back later, but I really don't know who's who in the living thread. Also I don't know what the good wizard is playing at. Yes we should confirm someone's role. If Morsul was something weird I think we'd know by now. I know I was an ordo. So I'd go for either Mith or Nogrod. Maybe check which one has a weirder narration? Also Nogrod, unlike Mith, hasn't explicitly stated he was an ordo, or then I missed it. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

07-20-2017, 02:44 AM	#373
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	I rather think our living had stopped worrying about vote trail since they thought game ending. Only advantage goodies had is that the baddies needed to avoid Hunter and GW. I suspect all those who voted for Eonwe are evil . Eomer may be only ordo. If Nerwen is EW she hasn't full complement of wolves or she would have got her kill. Anyway that is my theory. Will see if it pans out. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-20-2017, 03:20 AM	#374
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	++Nog Lommy makes a fair point. __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-20-2017, 03:44 AM	#375
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	]++Nogrod __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-20-2017, 04:01 AM	#376
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I can only say the same as Lommy & Mith, that I myself would learn something from checking another person than me, but well, one can't always get what one wants. So fine by me. I'm an ordo. ++ Nogrod The narration the Night I died was pretty weird - but if the only viable extra with my ordoness is that I'm the visitor (which I doubt looking back at the situation both wizards were in), then we won't learn it this way... But anyway. No problem as I don't see any maajor reason to believe that Morsul, Lommy or Mith were some evil tricksters either. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-20-2017, 06:16 AM	#377
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	Get this out of the way: ++Nog __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

07-20-2017, 06:54 AM	#378
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,589	Well, that makes a majority, and since I am about to step out my door for a brief out of town work trip... drumroll Nogrod is PREY. FYI, I won't be available again until a few hours before deadline. Now, a happy song to build morale! Doubly appropriate as it is a summer time anthem. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

07-20-2017, 07:23 AM	#380
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,518	Darnit, missed the reveal... Well then just for the record... ++Morsul At least there was a probable innocent saved. I'm inclined to believe Nerwen. Her and Shasta usually team up together which is awesome for us if they're gifteds, but absolutely dreadful if they're wolves. Shasta's got a point about sally's tone this game too...Granted I was more random and strange than usual, but if she's innocent she's being very unhelpful and careless. __________________ Fenris Penguin

07-20-2017, 07:30 AM	#381
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,518	I say this because while Nerwen is speaking more certainty on her knowledge (certainty that would suggest either gifted or wolf/EW)... Those who are challenging her "how she knows" aren't going after her to lynch. Lalaith, Legate, Eomer...it's like they're trying to leave her for a night kill if they're able. Because they're trying to cast doubt on her knowledge, therefore she's evil...but then they turn to get Eonwe lynched for basically no reason. Sorry if none of that makes sense. Basically if Lalaith, Legate, and Eomer were innocent and truly felt Nerwen is evil/false with her reveals yesterday, why did they try to get Eonwe lynched? __________________ Fenris Penguin

07-20-2017, 10:42 AM	#382
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Is there any real point I wonder putting more time in this I feel it is going to all happen without us intervening. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-20-2017, 01:50 PM	#384
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	As there is a real option the game ends toNight, I see no great incentive to work for hours trying to clear things up to myself - or to you my companions in this predicament. Especially because if the game actually continues after the dawn comes, there will be some critically important new information to chew, possibly making most our toil toNight irrelevant or at least outdated. So with that I'll probably withdraw now from toNight (I'll check around later if something happens). See you toMorrow! Hopefully in a game that is still on! PS. We're going to our summer-cottage tomorrow afternoon (RL = GMT +3) with a gang... including Lommy and Legate. We'll have internet access there and at least our phones - I thought I might take my laptop with me (not sure yet) but as there is no electricity, there is no way to charge it once the battery runs out. And anyway, we'll be concentrating mostly on other things than WW up to Sunday/Monday (not sure yet whether we come back on Sunday evening or on Monday). __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-20-2017, 05:07 PM	#386
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Save that Master Nogrod has forgotten that he may be a visitor but he may have a better recall than I do and not need to make notes. Certainly he and Lommie can sort out his wrongness between themselves... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-20-2017, 05:45 PM	#387
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,589	The Cast Legate of Amon Lanc Brinniel satansaloser2005 Eomer of the Rohirrim Nerwen Shastanis Althreduin Eönwë Inziladun Loslote Boromir88 Morsul the Dark Thinlómien Lalaith Mithalwen Nogrod Pervinca Took WEREWOLVES VICTORIOUS! In honor of the werewolf victory, let us now consider this thread concluded and have our post game discussion in the Living Thread. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...