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Elrond was a manipulator, who probably thought of himself as The Elf.
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Completely wrong, Jenny. Elrond did not think of himself as "The Elf". In the books, his lack of self-praise and cockiness compared to other Lords and his readiness to admit when something was beyond his power is part of what makes him so unique.
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Back from a long absence on this thread (WW, of course, left me stripped of all free time, even that devoted to other portions of teh 'Downs), I will way in here.
This is a bit of a different game. Many of the contestents are somewhat obscure, at least to me. Therefore, it is hard for me to form any very concrete convictions on who should stay and who should go. However, I have assembled a list of those that I do have strong fealings about, and these are as follows: Celebrimbor: He really must command a postion of great respect. This is not the age of tortured, convoluted and tragic personalities sacraficing all that is beautiful in a vain lunge for a fleeting hope (ie. Feanor, and the Three C's). This is the age of reconsiliation, where the son will redress the wrongs of the father. Celebrian: I like her. Though she never is granted an appreacance, as far as I know, in any histories, she still commands a place among the great. But for her, the race of Men would be sadly diminished. Cirdan: Would you really denign one so great and steadfast as Cirdan a place in the finals? One who, along side, Galadrial, has fought the "long defeat" and not in the super-nova bursts, again, of other tragic figures such as Feanor. He is a steadfast rock, picking up the pieces of the fallen, gathering the lost and the weary. Anarion: A great man of his age. Hereis a stalwart champion of the cause aganist Sauron and his minion, the Witch King. Sauron and The Witch King: What are we here for, but to defend against the suble encroachment of evil?
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But the one point I want to quickly make is that we are talking about the Second Age Elrond here. The same one who was a follower and obeyed when told to retreat. Elrond grew in wisdom and lore but in the Second Age he wasn't as great. He was more of a vassal then a true leader.
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Morm, who would you have leading this? Gil-galad is not present, or has been voted off already, by a vile lynch-mob imflambed by rabble-rousers. Same for Elendil and Isildur. It seems as Elrond is the only one left...
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I'm going to go off in a different direction here and vote ++ Fangorn (Treebeard)
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Color Commentator: Hello. Announcer: Bob, what do you make of the continuing action? Color Commentator: I…ahhh…what lovely music…I wonder where it is coming from… Announcer: I believe it is coming from that fellow over there. His queer long coat from heel to head is half of yellow and half of red. He himself is tall and thin, with sharp blue eyes, each like a pin. He has light loose hair, yet swarthy skin. Hmm…most strange. I wonder where that came from?! Anyway, he seems to be playing upon some sort of strange pipe. All the rats and mindless children seem to be following him wherever he…Bob? Bob? Color Commentator: I must follow the music… Announcer: Bob! Get off the field! It is not safe down there!! Color Commentator: …the muuusaakk… Announcer: Great! Now we have to decide if Bob is a rat or a mindless child. Unfortunately, I now have no color commentator to do my thinking for me. Hmmm…it is a bit of a catchy tune…such…lovely…muuuusaakkk….
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You just don't get this show, do you? Had I and other like-minded people not voted in the way that we have, I calculate that Elves and Numenorean Kings would now comprise over two-thirds of the remaining contestants and be well on their way to comprising 100%. Which would be rather dull. I appreciate that this is how you would like to see it but, and you might want to sit down here because this will come us a bit of a shock, not everyone shares your opinion and neither should they. The point is that the Elves and Numenorean Kings, as a group, started out with an unfair numerical advantage. I have simply been seeking to redress that imbalance. But you are right. I should not always vote for Elves and Numenorean Kings. So I will vote for a Half-Elf instead. - - CIRDAN + + ELROND ![]() It was the "tra-la-la-lallies" what done it. And, in the Second Age, he was a mere flunky. Not a worthy winner at all.
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I declare Amandil the save-Elrond vote-suggested and endorsed by the only unprejudiced and trustworthy member of the Alliance, Lalaith...
Seriously, people are about to prefer some has-been Numenorean Valar-licker to the must subtle of the Wise, who harboured a refuge of joyful song and scholarship in hard times. Defend Tra-la-lally's place in Canon. Vote Amandil-an act which will follow the hypocrite Saucey's stated intention to balance the tribes, by lessening the over-mighty Elendili.
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You can't have it both ways. Only one of those rather poor arguments can be used. One disqualifies the other.
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Since I am your pet werewolf...ok
--Elrond ++Amandil (wait a second, I thought it was following you that had me voting for Elrond. Wasn't that your monkey?)
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I was defending Cirdan...not attacking Elrond...
phantom, are you ready for another profitable partnership? (Notice my cunning diplomatic non-use of any article, definite or indefinite...)
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Ah, Kuru. I was hoping to see rather more of you last night. I was wondering if you'd read certain sections of the De oratore Ciceronis...?
You would derive enormous profit from them, you know...
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But, as the day goes on, if a worthy candidate continues to be threatened, you can count on my support, though I'd rather make someone else the save-Elrond candidate. Getting rid of Erendis would appease Eomer, and maybe get him on our side. Fangorn is a pretty boring candidate, and wouldn't be missed by me. And I still think Ohtar needs to go.
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Fra Lippo Lippi?
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O Phantom! You try to suggest a partnership and then bash Treebeard immediately?
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As of right now these are the fast paced and ever changing stats:
Amandil: 3 votes Elrond: 2 votes Erendis: 2 votes and 1 vote each for Celebrimbor, Fangorn, and Orophir. Amandil leads? No, no. In defense of Amandil, he was the leader of the secret faction that opposed Ar-Pharazôn in its earliest stages. This was a great risk! Quote:
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A very fine defense of Amandil, Diamond.
Anguirel- please consider Erendis as your candidate.
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++Erendis
I really don't know how this guy is. Maybe I'm Middle-Earth deficient. Either way, I like the other ones better than this.
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+ + Erendis
She's probably the best choice of those that have votes. I mean, what did she do, besides get angsty and bitter in her later years?
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++Anarion the head smashed in
lay his broken body to rest already
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I'm going to cast a vote against somebody who broke the rules in order to beg for mercy for everybody breaking the rules. A greater spasm of illogical thinking you'll never find (outside of this thread and werewolf).
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Ha ha! Very good, Kuru. When you put it that way, Amandil looks like as good a choice as Erendis.
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Hmmm...
Seems to be a dead heat between Amandil and Erendis, with four (4) (IIII) votes each!
But come now, can you see Erendis risking her life to save others, misguided rule-breakers though some of them might be? Let he who has no sin cast the first stone, after all. EDIT: Oops, silly me, I forgot to count my own vote, which puts Erendis at five (5) (IIIII) votes! Things are looking up.
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H.A.G. will be greatly displeased if Erendis is voted off. She is practically the poster child for everything they stand for...
The producers are hovering on the edge of hysteria (again)...
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++ Amandil
The name makes me think that he's the Dill Pickle of Aman and that just isn't kosher with me. Also it will make things interesting. Besides he didn't have any particular authority to go to the west. He calls himself 'faithful' and yet breaks the ban himself. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
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I choose three keep this a dead heat, five how can we have a true bitter fivemer lovers' quarrel if we don't keep it even? So....
++Erendis .....erhereis at the Erendis of all erthingsis..... And if you desire further erudition as three the reasons five voting five Erendis to leave the Third Age (yes I know but inflation being what it is ![]() |
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Oropher: I Anárion: I Celebrimbor: I Círdan: I Elrond: II Amandil: IIIII Erendis: IIIII I Eomer of the Wargs let out a great cry of victory at the eviction of his least-favourite candidate, while H.A.G. plotted his assassination... Quote:
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Agent Elrond must go. He's not that wise yet, he's not funny, he's has limited personality. He's just not working out and it's time to let you go.
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Don't you want to see the Witch-King giving Mordor an Angmar-style makeover? Compare the Witch-King's destruction of Arnor to Sauron's failed invasions of Gondor. It's clear that as well as having a more interesting character and being a Man, not some intoxicated spirit, the Witch-King has vastly, vastly more Dark Lord potential...
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