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NightKnight · 03-18-2004, 12:36 PM

Nope.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-19-2004, 07:41 AM

Taur im Duinath

The constellation is Taurus, and by removing a superpower (U.S.) from it we get Taur. Instant Message abbreviated gives us I.M.; the shortened river is [An]duin and the m-less subject is [M]ath, the final answer being a forest.

NightKnight · 03-19-2004, 08:54 AM

Perfect, Mr. Squatter. Your turn.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-19-2004, 10:32 AM

Let's see how you get on with this one:

Flower involved in rite

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-24-2004, 12:31 AM

Ummm...simbelmynë?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-25-2004, 07:38 AM

I'm going to be difficult with this one and demand the full solution. As it happens, Simbelmynë is a long way from the right answer anyway.

Clue: double meanings are pivotal to the solution.

Turambar · 03-26-2004, 02:02 PM

Thinking out loud . . .

"Flower" could mean the name of a flower (rose, iris, daisy, to name some short ones), or the name of a river (Aros, Celos, etc., again starting with shorter names).

As a cryptic clue, "involved in" might mean that one word is inside another, as where "Soldier involved in familar area" becomes "LOGICAL" ("GI" in "local").

"Rite" - can't think of any short synonyms or examples.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-30-2004, 07:14 AM

Well said. Do you have an answer to my question?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 04-06-2004, 06:27 AM

Any takers? It's easier than it looks.

Turambar · 04-06-2004, 02:59 PM

I'm sure I'll kick myself when the answer is guessed, but I don't see it.

Is there a "straight clue" in there ?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 04-06-2004, 03:36 PM

In a way the entire clue is straight. Then again, in another sense the clue is entirely cryptic. At its heart there is a double meaning and yes, you will kick yourself.

Finwe · 04-06-2004, 06:32 PM

Let's see... Nenuial?

(Flower) --> (One who flows) --> Nin, nen

involved in --> is a part of/ along with

(Rite) --> Ritual --> uial

That gives you Nenuial.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 04-07-2004, 08:59 AM

You're going in the right direction, but that's not the answer. There are no anagrams in this clue, and one need know only English to get the answer.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 05-11-2004, 11:03 AM

Surely someone must have worked this one out by now.

Since I'm stalling the game at the moment I'll post the solution if nobody gets it by the end of the week.

Son of Númenor · 05-11-2004, 01:32 PM

Squatter, your cryptic clue has had me staring at my computer screen for many hours these past few days, & I have had naught to show for it but dry eyes & a headache. I hope I, or, at least someone, will be able to do you the service of solving it before the week's end.

-Númenor

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-11-2004, 07:07 PM

Is it Celebrant?

A celebrant might be said to be someone involved in a celebration or rite, and it is also a flower (ie something that flows) in Middle-earth.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 05-14-2004, 08:04 AM

Gaudeamus igitur: we have a winner.

Nice one, Saucepan.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-15-2004, 07:27 PM

Cheers Squatter.

Next up:

Grave beauty seen in pointless comforting words.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-21-2004, 06:52 PM

Yet again, great silent empty vistas open up ...

... anyone?

Fingolfin II · 05-21-2004, 08:51 PM

Is it Arwen? She was very beautiful and when Aragorn died, he comforted her with words? It's a feeble guess.......but you never know.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-24-2004, 08:32 AM

That's not it, I'm afraid. You're thinking too literally. For a refresher on the types of elements which might make up a cryptic clue, have a look at my post #7 on the first page of this thread. That might help ...

Morsul the Dark · 05-31-2004, 07:54 AM

im gonna say gandalf here's why
G is the first letter of the clue
G is the first letter in Gandalf
Denetor basicly thought all his words were pointless "Pointless comforting words"
Denetor...or Theoden...called him Stormcrow...which is a sad name..sad has a synonym.."Grave"
Faramir still admiired him "Beauty"

I dont suppose im right?

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-31-2004, 06:56 PM

Good effort Morsul, but unfortunately your supposition is correct. It's not the right answer.

OK, time for a hint. To find the answer, you need to think of some comforting words and make them pointless.

Morsul the Dark · 05-31-2004, 07:47 PM

well i dont get the hint really but heres my second guess
using ur hint i came up with this (its over=pointless its over but so much was lost)......so

Aragorn?
he brings comfort with an army...
from the GRAVE.....
which is beautiful because it helps end the siege of Minas Tirith.....
r hint is annoying me lol it makes little sense to me

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-31-2004, 08:13 PM

Nope, I'm afraid not.

The hint will make more sense if you look at the guidelines on cryptic clues on the first page. "Pointless" should not be taken in its literal sense.

By the way, Morsul, since this site is devoted to the works of one who was a master of his language (and many others besides), we prefer not to use "chatspeak" here, so it's best to avoid using it.

Morsul the Dark · 05-31-2004, 08:18 PM

im sorry ill try not to use chat speech....just so used to it...grr...i give up on that one

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 06-02-2004, 01:01 PM

By removing North from never mind, we get Evermind; a grave beauty.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-02-2004, 05:52 PM

Quite so, Squatter. Pray proceed.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 06-03-2004, 07:15 AM

Two greetings heard from barrier.

Morsul the Dark · 06-06-2004, 08:16 PM

is it Isengard?

two (two hobbits)
barrier (fortress)
two greetings heard- wogh=tree eard+b=treebeard

merry and pippin welcomed the others
Treebeard took Isengard Down
and Isendgard was a fortress which is in close relation to the word barrier

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 06-07-2004, 04:56 AM

The real answer's much simpler than that.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-07-2004, 05:55 PM

Not sure about this one, but "Hi" and "Hey" are two greetings. Put together, they sound like (are heard as) "High Hay", the hedge around the eastern border of Buckland.

So I'll say High Hay.

Any good?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 06-08-2004, 04:29 AM

Which is just good enough to make you the next up.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-10-2004, 04:12 AM

Head-line writer produces article for exiled king.

Morsul the Dark · 06-10-2004, 12:52 PM

Is this one Gandalf hehe
Head-Line writer someone who brings news
Gandalf was always bringing news
Produces article for exiled king
Gandalf crowned Aragorn
Gandalf

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-18-2004, 02:00 AM

How about a clue to your cryptic clue?

Morsul the Dark · 06-21-2004, 02:48 PM

it's been eleven days since the question has been asked so by my understanding i may ask one

"Son of God bent on seeing a mouse"

NightKnight · 06-22-2004, 07:56 AM

Actually, it's not your turn, since people have been guessing within the 10 days. I think the rule applies when there is no confirmation of an answer or no new question has been asked within 10 days.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-22-2004, 09:36 AM

Miffed though I am that my question has been superseded (as I quite like it), bumping and asking for clues don't count to delay the 10 day rule. So I'm happy to let Morsul's question stand. I will simply repeat mine next time it's my turn.

NightKnight · 06-22-2004, 12:24 PM

Oh. I'm sorry then.

03-18-2004, 12:36 PM	#361
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Nope. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-19-2004, 07:41 AM	#362
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Taur im Duinath The constellation is Taurus, and by removing a superpower (U.S.) from it we get Taur. Instant Message abbreviated gives us I.M.; the shortened river is [An]duin and the m-less subject is [M]ath, the final answer being a forest. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

03-19-2004, 08:54 AM	#363
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Perfect, Mr. Squatter. Your turn. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-19-2004, 10:32 AM	#364
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Let's see how you get on with this one: Flower involved in rite __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

03-24-2004, 12:31 AM	#365
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	A stab in the dark... Ummm...simbelmynë? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-25-2004, 07:38 AM	#366
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	I'm going to be difficult with this one and demand the full solution. As it happens, Simbelmynë is a long way from the right answer anyway. Clue: double meanings are pivotal to the solution. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

03-26-2004, 02:02 PM	#367
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Thinking out loud . . . "Flower" could mean the name of a flower (rose, iris, daisy, to name some short ones), or the name of a river (Aros, Celos, etc., again starting with shorter names). As a cryptic clue, "involved in" might mean that one word is inside another, as where "Soldier involved in familar area" becomes "LOGICAL" ("GI" in "local"). "Rite" - can't think of any short synonyms or examples. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

03-30-2004, 07:14 AM	#368
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Well said. Do you have an answer to my question? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

04-06-2004, 06:27 AM	#369
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Any takers? It's easier than it looks. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

04-06-2004, 02:59 PM	#370
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I'm sure I'll kick myself when the answer is guessed, but I don't see it. Is there a "straight clue" in there ? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-06-2004, 03:36 PM	#371
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	In a way the entire clue is straight. Then again, in another sense the clue is entirely cryptic. At its heart there is a double meaning and yes, you will kick yourself. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

04-06-2004, 06:32 PM	#372
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Let's see... Nenuial? (Flower) --> (One who flows) --> Nin, nen involved in --> is a part of/ along with (Rite) --> Ritual --> uial That gives you Nenuial. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

04-07-2004, 08:59 AM	#373
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	You're going in the right direction, but that's not the answer. There are no anagrams in this clue, and one need know only English to get the answer. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

05-11-2004, 11:03 AM	#374
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Surely someone must have worked this one out by now. Since I'm stalling the game at the moment I'll post the solution if nobody gets it by the end of the week. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

05-11-2004, 01:32 PM	#375
Son of Númenor A Shade of Westernesse Join Date: May 2004 Location: The last wave over Atalantë Posts: 515	Squatter, your cryptic clue has had me staring at my computer screen for many hours these past few days, & I have had naught to show for it but dry eyes & a headache. I hope I, or, at least someone, will be able to do you the service of solving it before the week's end. -Númenor __________________ "This miserable drizzling afternoon I have been reading up old military lecture-notes again:- and getting bored with them after an hour and a half. I have done some touches to my nonsense fairy language - to its improvement."

05-11-2004, 07:07 PM	#376
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	I'll have a go ... Is it Celebrant? A celebrant might be said to be someone involved in a celebration or rite, and it is also a flower (ie something that flows) in Middle-earth. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-14-2004, 08:04 AM	#377
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Gaudeamus igitur: we have a winner. Nice one, Saucepan. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

05-15-2004, 07:27 PM	#378
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Cheers Squatter. Next up: Grave beauty seen in pointless comforting words. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-21-2004, 06:52 PM	#379
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Yet again, great silent empty vistas open up ... ... anyone? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-21-2004, 08:51 PM	#380
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Is it Arwen? She was very beautiful and when Aragorn died, he comforted her with words? It's a feeble guess.......but you never know. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

05-24-2004, 08:32 AM	#381
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nope That's not it, I'm afraid. You're thinking too literally. For a refresher on the types of elements which might make up a cryptic clue, have a look at my post #7 on the first page of this thread. That might help ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-31-2004, 07:54 AM	#382
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	ok heresa gues im gonna say gandalf here's why G is the first letter of the clue G is the first letter in Gandalf Denetor basicly thought all his words were pointless "Pointless comforting words" Denetor...or Theoden...called him Stormcrow...which is a sad name..sad has a synonym.."Grave" Faramir still admiired him "Beauty" I dont suppose im right?

05-31-2004, 06:56 PM	#383
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Good effort Morsul, but unfortunately your supposition is correct. It's not the right answer. OK, time for a hint. To find the answer, you need to think of some comforting words and make them pointless. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-31-2004, 07:47 PM	#384
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	well i dont get the hint really but heres my second guess using ur hint i came up with this (its over=pointless its over but so much was lost)......so Aragorn? he brings comfort with an army... from the GRAVE..... which is beautiful because it helps end the siege of Minas Tirith..... r hint is annoying me lol it makes little sense to me __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

05-31-2004, 08:13 PM	#385
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nope, I'm afraid not. The hint will make more sense if you look at the guidelines on cryptic clues on the first page. "Pointless" should not be taken in its literal sense. By the way, Morsul, since this site is devoted to the works of one who was a master of his language (and many others besides), we prefer not to use "chatspeak" here, so it's best to avoid using it. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-31-2004, 08:18 PM	#386
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	im sorry ill try not to use chat speech....just so used to it...grr...i give up on that one __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

06-02-2004, 01:01 PM	#387
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	By removing North from never mind, we get Evermind; a grave beauty. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

06-02-2004, 05:52 PM	#388
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	At last ... Quite so, Squatter. Pray proceed. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-03-2004, 07:15 AM	#389
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	So without further ado... Two greetings heard from barrier. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

06-06-2004, 08:16 PM	#390
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	is it Isengard? two (two hobbits) barrier (fortress) two greetings heard- wogh=tree eard+b=treebeard merry and pippin welcomed the others Treebeard took Isengard Down and Isendgard was a fortress which is in close relation to the word barrier __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

06-07-2004, 04:56 AM	#391
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Sorry The real answer's much simpler than that. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

06-07-2004, 05:55 PM	#392
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, I'll have a go ... Not sure about this one, but "Hi" and "Hey" are two greetings. Put together, they sound like (are heard as) "High Hay", the hedge around the eastern border of Buckland. So I'll say High Hay. Any good? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-08-2004, 04:29 AM	#393
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Perfect Which is just good enough to make you the next up. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

06-10-2004, 04:12 AM	#394
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, here's a tricksy one ... Head-line writer produces article for exiled king. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-10-2004, 12:52 PM	#395
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Is this one Gandalf hehe Head-Line writer someone who brings news Gandalf was always bringing news Produces article for exiled king Gandalf crowned Aragorn Gandalf __________________ Morsul the Resurrected