Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

You know, I'm getting nostalgic about old games now... Island of Sorrow, ATM, Prisoner of Numenor... I kind of want to go reread them.

Just so long as you keep writing in the current rpg's, pretty please....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Just so long as you keep writing in the current rpg's, pretty please....

I'm working on that... Some are easier than others.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So now that they're in the city and Indil's dreams have been made an issue, and the Rouge Elf has escaped... what next?

[littlemanpoet]

Good question.

So far nobody has made the necessary connection between Indil's dreams and Amroth, Nimrodel, Mithrellas, and Imrazor. Until that occurs, the rationale for taking Indil with to hunt for the women has not occurred. Dense Raefindan.

1. Raefindan (or somebody) realizes that Indil's dreams are about the Amroth quest.

2. It is determined which males are willing to be on the remainder of the quest. Liornung? (depending on Nuru) Erebemlin - yes; Taitheneb? (I don't think we need him); Ædegard - yes, for now; Raefindan - yes; Ravion? (where's Orual? and do we need him if we have Bergil and Erebemlin to track?); Mellondu - yes; Bergil - yes; Aeron - yes. Any men I've forgotten?

3. The males hunt for the women.

4. Saethryd succeeds in nursing Mellonin back to health.

5. Jorje returns to Rugh and somehow R figures out that he must go with Jorje back to Saethryd.

6. Tharonwë captures Leafa and Bella (nobody thought of this until this moment, but we need some suspense, no?)

Does any of these suggestions seem not good?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

So far nobody has made the necessary connection between Indil's dreams and Amroth, Nimrodel, Mithrellas, and Imrazor. Until that occurs, the rationale for taking Indil with to hunt for the women has not occurred. Dense Raefindan.

Since this part most pertains to me...

Indil is most attached to Raefindan and Bergil, so they'd be the ones she's be speaking directly to. Of the two, Bergil is less likely to realize Indil's dreams are related to the quest, due to character and lack of association thus far with the quest itself.

She's downright nervous around Erebemlin, though his being an Elf makes for plausible understanding on this.

I doubt it would be Ædegard or Ravion.

Maybe Mellondu because of his own experience.

I would say maybe Aeron would figure it out because of Gwyllion showing up rather frequently, because he's a sharp fellow, and because he strikes me as the type to know and realize more than he maybe ought.

Of the male characters, I'd guess the most likely to catch the connection will be either Raefindan, Erebemlin, or Aeron.

Thoughts?

[littlemanpoet]

I had intended on another Raefindan post in which it finally dawns on him what's probably going on, but I wanted to get your reply first. If Imladris wishes to have Aeron take part, that could make a very interesting conversation between Raefindan and Aeron. Maybe we could even throw in a few of those old anacronysms from Roy Edwards' 21st century speech (remember those?). Since Alak isn't around much to write Erebemlin, I'm content to let him remain and secondary character. What do you say, Immy? Want to have Aeron join Indil and Raefindan for a little bit of give-and-take mindplay?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I had intended on another Raefindan post in which it finally dawns on him what's probably going on

Yeah, I figured you were probably planning something of the sort.

Maybe we could even throw in a few of those old anacronysms from Roy Edwards' 21st century speech (remember those?).

Not anachronisms again!

What do you say, Immy? Want to have Aeron join Indil and Raefindan for a little bit of give-and-take mindplay?

Yeah, Immy; come play?

[Imladris]

I'll come play

[littlemanpoet]

Cool. So who should post first? Immy or Elempi?

[Imladris]

I don't really have a preference, but I won't be able to make a decent post until Wednesday at the earliest, as I'm too burned out right now to make a proper post without a "jumping off" point.

[littlemanpoet]

I'll try and set something up in the next little while; but don't be surprised if you beat me to it.

[littlemanpoet]

Nicely and sweetly done, Immy. That should pierce through Raefindan's density. In fact, he'll even say so. I hope to get a chance today.

And also to get Jorje back in touch with Rugh. Firefoot? You there still?

[Firefoot]

*Roused out of her role-playing stupor*

Yeah, I'm here. I'll try to write something up within the next couple of days.

[littlemanpoet]

How embarrassing. I owe a post here and forgot that I did. I'll do it today; partly Raefindan finally getting it, and partly Jorje to set things up for Firefoot writing Rugh.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hey guys, I just wanted to let you know, while my computer is working, that I'm not sure how reliable I'm going to be able to be. I got back in town Friday to find no internet, then today I got home from a quick day trip to find it working again...

So I'll be here when I can, I guess is the gist of it.

[Firefoot]

Just to let you know - I'm going to be out of town next week, and I'm not sure about how much internet access that I'll have.

[Nurumaiel]

Hello lads and lassies....

I've returned after a lovely trip, despite earaches and a nasty cough. I'm still suffering from a cold, along with jet-lag and the miserable prospect of having to unpack everything, so it will probably be another week before I can fully reappear (though I do want to keep going as Liornung... haven't decided about Leafa yet).

In the meantime, I'd ask you all to say a prayer for this young man and his family, and for my younger brother. The stabbing took place on our last night in Ireland, and my brother walked out from a movie with his cousins right onto the scene. He's the same age as the victim, and it's been very hard on him. Needless to say, we're trying to recover from this as well as the illness.

[Nurumaiel]

All righty...

I definitely, most positively want to continue on with Liornung. For one thing, it's just against his character to give up and go home when he resolved to do something... and secondly, I immensely like playing him and playing this game, and don't want to bid farewells.

But I do have a question...

Is anyone willing to take the character of Leafa?

If not, we can discuss potential fates for good or ill.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No go for me... I'll miss her if nobody else can take her, but I also know I wouldn't be able to do a good enough job with her to please myself.

[littlemanpoet]

Nuru, during your absence we had a discussion regarding Leafa and other characters, starting with th is post: http://www.forums.barrowdowns.com./s...&postcount=354

As you can see, Leafa's possible demise came up as a viable option. Your thoughts?

[Nurumaiel]

lmp, yes, I saw the posts concerning Leafa. Her death is a potential option, but I want to see if anyone is willing to take her on or not.

And even if there's no one willing, I still have to figure out if it would be right or not. Both in books and movies of late I've been coming across deaths that were put in the story merely for a tragedy, but weren't right in any way. They weren't simply sad... they also came across as being all wrong. And not wrong in the sense that any violent death is, but wrong story-wise, if that is at all clear.

So... I'm still pondering. And of course I still would have to get over being sentimental about her, too.

[littlemanpoet]

Yes, Nuru, and I'd like to get rid of Ædegard. Why? Well, he's just not that interesting to me. Falling in love with Leafa helped a little bit, but I just don't find him very interesting. Maybe I would have more a few years ago; fact is, I created him as a fun and games character for a winter snowball fight in Edoras a few years ago and never meant him for more than that, but he got swooshed into this tale. I'd much rather spend my time on Raefindan and Jorje. So I'm not really keen on taking on Leafa at all. One of these times, Ædegard is going to bite the dust. And that would actually fit very well into that song of the lover's ghost coming back to the lover, but only if there's someone who cares about those two characters enough. Otherwise, I can't see much point in them even being part of the adventure anymore. Let them go to Leafa's papa, get approval to get married, and go be wainwright and wife in Edoras. That's my humble opinion.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I know what you mean about 'wrong' deaths. There's a difference between crying out 'That's not right!' on an emotional level and quite another looking at a death inserted into a story and wondering what its purpose is.

I definately agree that we shouldn't just kill her off, brush the dirt off our hands, and move on. Anything that happens to the two lovebirds needs to further the plot and be true to the characters, end of story.

Find a way to break what binds them to the quest. Maybe have an Elf intuitively see that they need to be an example of the hope and love that must live on unfettered. Send 'em off to get married and live happily ever after. It's a sweet illustration of what's worth fighting for. They've done all they can, now it's time for sweet reward.

Or... you know... not.

Whatever you end up choosing works for me.

[littlemanpoet]

Here's a thought. Have someone dream of Ædegard throwing his life away in a stupid and unnecessary fight against Tharonwe. Then have a different someone dream - same night - of Ædegard being told by Bethberry that his work is done - he has helped bring Mellondu to the Elves, and has met the woman he was meant to meet, and his task is now finished.

Ick. After getting that written out I could feel it was nonsense. It just seems to me that Ædegard is supposed to die, perhaps saving someone else's life. Hmm....

[Nurumaiel]

lmp, just because I adore happy endings, I'd love to see the two of them simply go back home and get married. And, of course, if you did it the dream way, you'd be able to write out a tragic and heroic death scene without having it actually come to pass.

But regardless of what actually happens, it occurred to me that it would be a good thing for Liornung, or, rather, for me as the writer of Liornung. He's been sticking pretty close to Ædegard and Leafa. The former he swaps songs and stories with, the latter he sort of adopted when she joined them. If they make their exit from the story Bella will be the only one left who he really considers himself close to. And at this point in time she's off somewhere in the wilderness. This will make things interesting for him.

And along those some lines, if death for Ædegard or Leafa or both comes up, we also have to consider Liornung. He's very much involved in their story, and a sad ending for them would also have a deep effect on how his tale ends.

Oh, and I wanted to add as a last note... Fea, thanks for all your input on the Ædegard and Leafa story. It's very helpful to have the opinions and thoughts of one who isn't personally involved with the characters... though to me the story of Ædegard and Leafa is done, having known them for as long as I have, I get all wishy-washy whenever I think of them. When one devotes so much time and creative energy into creating a personality and a character, one sometimes has a slightly skewed vision of what serves the story best.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nurumaiel

When one devotes so much time and creative energy into creating a personality and a character, one sometimes has a slightly skewed vision of what serves the story best.

Seeeeriously.

[littlemanpoet]

I like the solution, Nuru. I can make the dream as heroic and grisly as fits, and then we can have a mushy papa ending for the pair. I don't NEED to kill off Ædegard, I just need to be freed from writing him.

If this solution is acceptable to all, I'm willing to go with it.

[Nurumaiel]

Hurrah! It sounds great to me as well.

One question... I've been away so long that I'm not sure exactly what's happening in the story presently. Are we going to have to find some way to re-unite them before they can make their exit?

[littlemanpoet]

I just wrote that Tharonwe has captured Bella and Leafa on his way into the White Mountains. He is tracking down Mellonin.

Meanwhile, the Men are getting ready to leave Minas Tirith.

The upshot is that there will have to be a reunion, and this will occur with Tharonwe smack in the middle of it unless one of the characters can figure out a way to get Th's captives away from him without Ædegard getting involved, since he'll be spoiling for a fight.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

unless one of the characters can figure out a way to get Th's captives away from him without Ædegard getting involved, since he'll be spoiling for a fight.

Indil sleep walks away from camp. Thoronwe's interest has him trailing her. Somebody finds the women during their search for Indil while his attention is otherwise fixated?

?

[Nurumaiel]

Couldn't we somehow tie this in with Ædegard's dream of his death in a fight against Tharonwe? Say, for instance, that through a dream he finds that the women have been captured, and he goes in search of them... on the way he could dream of his death in attempting to save the women. And perhaps Indil could have a dream that is somehow connected, which leads her to leave the camp, which leads Tharonwe to trail her.

I don't know. It just seems that the fact that Tharonwe has captured the women is perfect for the idea of Ædegard's dream.

[littlemanpoet]

I like the sleep walking idea, and of Ædegard dreaming, but plans for this look a little early considering the current situation of our characters.

So here's a question: what do you think to skipping over a bunch of days between mulling over when to leave Minas Tirith, and pick up the Men's story as they're a few days into the White Mountains?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm cool with it.

[littlemanpoet]

Anybody want to keep this going?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sorry... I've been consistently out of town since probably the last time you heard from me. When did life get busy again?

[littlemanpoet]

Well, Fea, I know that Celuien is busy beyond hope, which puts a major kink in her writing here; Firefoot seems to be occupied elsewhere by and large; Nuru has expressed renewed interest lately but sporadically. I don't know what's become of Formy. Immy is generally within reach and will post when "the fit takes her" or when prodded, according to my experience. And you have spoken of your own difficulties getting here. None of the other writers are active, period.

What I WANT is for this to gain momentum and turn into something powerful interesting and engrossing.

I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't see anything better than this continuing to crawl, at least not until the school year.

So I'm WILLING to just let it sit until others show interest in the only way that really counts, by posting to the story thread. Carrying it by myself just isn't appealing.

[Imladris]

I just don't think that a post from Aeron at this time would necessarily push the story along...but I'll try to scramble something together in the next few days. Started a new job and still getting used to the new schedule and have tests to study for (it's so nice getting payed to study )

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

So I'm WILLING to just let it sit until others show interest in the only way that really counts, by posting to the story thread. Carrying it by myself just isn't appealing.

Long story short, I'm still intimidated that I'm going to screw up your story if left to my own devices.

[littlemanpoet]

Please do not feel intimidated. I'm happy to help.

Judging from your most recent post, you don't really need any help.

What a way to twist the plot! Are the others close enough to hear Indil scream? Is the cruel voice Tharonwe?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Are the others close enough to hear Indil scream?

Dunno. I don't write the others. And if they are, I can always move Indil out of hearing distance if the mood strikes. She makes such wonderful bait...

Is the cruel voice Tharonwe?

Depends on how many creeps are stalking small children who sleepwalk through the woods. Your call.