6 Degrees of Separation - Page 14 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-21-2003, 02:39 AM

Well?

Telchar · 08-21-2003, 05:53 AM

Celegorm -> Beren or Luthien -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazon -> Tar-Palantir

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-22-2003, 03:20 AM

Since my original answer was lost in the last page, I'll give it again (the last time being done over a week ago [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]):

Celegorm -> Celembrimbor -> Gil-Galad -> Elendil -> Tar-Palantir.

No Sauron allowed, I believe, Telchar. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Telchar · 08-22-2003, 03:52 AM

You should pay more attention to the question at hand windlord [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Quote:

Celegorm-> Tar-Palantir

No elves! Except for Celegorm, of course.

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Hmmm, well I did use Sauron in mine.

Which makes your answer obsolete as you use Celebrimbor ;o)

Lindolirian · 08-24-2003, 05:32 PM

Sorry for the late reply. I have been occupied with the combination of marching band and the start of school recently. Telchar has the correct answer with: Celegorm -> Beren or Luthien -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazon -> Tar-Palantir.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-25-2003, 02:23 AM

Ah, I get the feeling you're all ganging up on me... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] my mistake, then.

Telchar · 08-25-2003, 06:44 AM

Shelob ---> Galadriel

Just, please dont use any mortals. That is orcs, dwarves, men and hobbits.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-26-2003, 02:10 AM

Easy. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Shelob --> Ungoliant --> Morgoth --> Fingolfin --> Finarfin --> Galadriel. No mortals involved.

Telchar · 08-27-2003, 01:33 AM

Yep indeed - go on!

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-27-2003, 04:47 PM

Well done, Gwaihir. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] As a reward, you may have the privilege of asking the next question on a new thread. This one is being closed as a result of its length.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-27-2003, 04:56 PM

Since the previous thread was closed as a result of its length, I have opened this new one so that the game may continue.

The rules (originally devised by none other than the Barrow-Wight himself) are as follows:

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Two names are given. You must trace a connection from the first name, through various other names, to the second name. When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

Example 1:
Frodo -- Grishnakh
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Grishnakh
direct interection in all links

Example 2:
Frodo -- Mauhur
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Ugluk --- Mauhur
direct -- dirrect -- direct -- indirect

Example 3:
Legolas -- Bard
The answer would be:
Legolas -- Thranduil -- Bard
related -- direct intereaction

Remember... to trace from a name to a name they must have interacted, most likely interacted, or be related to each other.

NOTE: There may be more than one answer. When creating a puzzle, try to make it so there is only one way to trace between the two names. This will be tricky.

ANOTHER NOTE: Someone like Eru is not a valid link unless we are linking Valar or something. And then Eru wouldn't be necessary since the Valar all knew each other well.

YET ANOTHER NOTE: Ask for a maximum number of links to trace the difference between two characters. For instance, in the Frodo to Mauhur example you would have to figure it out using no more than 3 links.

Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saruman or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.

So, without further ado, may I call upon Gwaihir the Windlord (who successfully solved the last question on the previous thread) to start us off.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-29-2003, 01:24 AM

I'm here....

A fairly easy one; but this time, as a reversal of the last question, I would ask you only to use mortals (apart from the two names given...)

Galadriel -> Landroval

Lindolirian · 08-29-2003, 02:35 PM

Galadriel-> Gwaihir-> Landroval

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-30-2003, 12:55 AM

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'm not counting Eagles as mortals, which they probably aren't. Sorry, try again...

Joy · 08-30-2003, 01:23 AM

Galadriel -> Gandalf -> Gwahir -> Landroval

or

Galadriel -> Frodo/Sam -> Landroval

Gwaihir the Windlord · 09-01-2003, 02:34 AM

Well, you're not allowed to use Gandalf; but the second one is of course correct. Go ahead.

Joy · 09-02-2003, 12:18 AM

Fëanor -> Halbarad (the Dúnedan)

Telchar · 09-02-2003, 01:45 AM

Fëanor - Galadriel - Gimli - Halbarad

Joy · 09-02-2003, 09:26 PM

That is correct, but not exactly how I had in mind [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I had Fëanor -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Halbarad

Tulkas the Mighty · 11-25-2003, 05:37 PM

Telchar?

Telchar · 11-25-2003, 06:10 PM

Finwe ---> Samwise

... Please dont use any elves... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

The Laurenendorian · 11-25-2003, 06:17 PM

Finwë -> Oromë -> Irmo -> Olórin -> Samwise

Or does the "don't use Gandalf" rule kick in here?

If we're not allowed to use elves, then I think we have to go to an Ainu from Finwë.

Perhaps: Finwë -> Ulmo -> Tuor -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Samwise
I'm not sure if Eärendil and Elrond count as elves or not.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-25-2003, 06:26 PM

Or how about:

Finwë -> Ulmo -> Samwise

... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Telchar · 11-25-2003, 06:27 PM

Is there actually any reference to Finwe meeting either Orome or Ulmo? I can't remember?

Mine looked simpler: Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Witchking - Merry/frodo - Samwise

or the Palantir solution:
Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Saruman/Pippin/Aragorn - Samwise

Telchar · 11-25-2003, 06:30 PM

You're both quick... Laurenendorian gets it! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo.

I never heard that - interesting Saucepans - still thats a little far off for contact, don't you think [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ 07:31 PM November 25, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

The Laurenendorian · 11-25-2003, 06:52 PM

Finwë certainly met Oromë, since he led the hosts to Valinor.

---

Link Fíriel to the other Fíriel. I think I can do it in 5.

Lindolirian · 11-25-2003, 06:54 PM

Fíriel-> Sam-> Glorfindel(or Elrond)-> Malbeth-> Arvedui-> Fíriel

[ 07:56 PM November 25, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

The Laurenendorian · 11-25-2003, 07:05 PM

Is good.

Lindolirian · 11-29-2003, 01:21 PM

Dairuin-> Hamfast

No Sauron or Gandalf.

Telchar · 11-29-2003, 04:50 PM

Dairuin-> Beren-> Melian-> Galadriel-> Frodo-> Hamfast

Dairuin-> Beren-> Celegorm -> Elrond-> Frodo-> Hamfast

The latter is the coolest as it dont use any Maiar [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 11-29-2003, 06:28 PM

The first one was the closest, but you were right in the fact that there are no Maiar involved. Try again!

Telchar · 11-30-2003, 03:05 AM

Lindo - am I wrong because you can do it in 5 or 4 ?

Lindolirian · 12-01-2003, 03:11 PM

No, you know what, I'll just give it to ya. Your's were fine anyway. No reason for me to put all sorts of limitations on it. Go ahead!

Telchar · 12-01-2003, 05:02 PM

Ibun ---> Inzilbêth

Telchar · 12-03-2003, 05:16 PM

Ibun -> X -> X -> X -> X -> X -> Inzilbêth

With a little good will it can be done like that ... is that 5 or 7 degrees ???

[ 6:16 PM December 03, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Lindolirian · 12-03-2003, 06:17 PM

Ibun-> Tùrin-> Glaurung-> Sauron-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Ar-Gimilzôr-> Inzilbêth

I have always considered the "->" to be one degree of separation. This one is six degrees, seven people.

Telchar · 12-03-2003, 08:04 PM

Nice work - you can go on...

on a sidenote: what do you think is the likelyhood that Pharazon and Inzilbêth met? Her being the grandmother of Tar-Miriel... We can asume that Pharazon was older than her and of close famely to Inzilbeth - som maybe you could cut Gimilzôr out?

Secondly we can only asume that Glaurung and sauron met... right?

Lindolirian · 12-04-2003, 06:20 PM

True, I didn't think of that... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Zamin-> Estelmo

Telchar · 12-06-2003, 05:01 AM

Zamin-> Aldarion -> Gil-galad -> (Elendil) -> Estelmo

We can assume that Estelmo being the esquire of the eldest son of Isildur and having joined in the battle against Sauron would have met Gil-galad. Therefore we might be able to leave out Elendil.

Lindolirian · 12-06-2003, 09:13 AM

Very good Telchar!

08-21-2003, 05:53 AM	#522
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Celegorm -> Beren or Luthien -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazon -> Tar-Palantir __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

08-24-2003, 05:32 PM	#525
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Sorry for the late reply. I have been occupied with the combination of marching band and the start of school recently. Telchar has the correct answer with: Celegorm -> Beren or Luthien -> Sauron -> Ar-Pharazon -> Tar-Palantir. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

08-25-2003, 06:44 AM	#527
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Shelob ---> Galadriel Just, please dont use any mortals. That is orcs, dwarves, men and hobbits. __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

08-27-2003, 01:33 AM	#529
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Yep indeed - go on! __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

08-27-2003, 04:47 PM	#530
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well done, Gwaihir. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] As a reward, you may have the privilege of asking the next question on a new thread. This one is being closed as a result of its length. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-21-2003, 02:39 AM	#521
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Well?

08-22-2003, 03:20 AM	#523
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Since my original answer was lost in the last page, I'll give it again (the last time being done over a week ago [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]): Celegorm -> Celembrimbor -> Gil-Galad -> Elendil -> Tar-Palantir. No Sauron allowed, I believe, Telchar. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

08-25-2003, 02:23 AM	#526
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Ah, I get the feeling you're all ganging up on me... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] my mistake, then.

08-26-2003, 02:10 AM	#528
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Easy. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Shelob --> Ungoliant --> Morgoth --> Fingolfin --> Finarfin --> Galadriel. No mortals involved.

08-29-2003, 01:24 AM	#532
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	I'm here.... A fairly easy one; but this time, as a reversal of the last question, I would ask you only to use mortals (apart from the two names given...) Galadriel -> Landroval

08-29-2003, 02:35 PM	#533
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Galadriel-> Gwaihir-> Landroval __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

08-30-2003, 12:55 AM	#534
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'm not counting Eagles as mortals, which they probably aren't. Sorry, try again...

08-30-2003, 01:23 AM	#535
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Galadriel -> Gandalf -> Gwahir -> Landroval or Galadriel -> Frodo/Sam -> Landroval __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

09-01-2003, 02:34 AM	#536
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Well, you're not allowed to use Gandalf; but the second one is of course correct. Go ahead.

09-02-2003, 12:18 AM	#537
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Fëanor -> Halbarad (the Dúnedan) __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

09-02-2003, 01:45 AM	#538
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Fëanor - Galadriel - Gimli - Halbarad __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-02-2003, 09:26 PM	#539
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	That is correct, but not exactly how I had in mind [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I had Fëanor -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Halbarad __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

11-25-2003, 05:37 PM	#540
Tulkas the Mighty Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 58	Telchar?

11-25-2003, 06:10 PM	#541
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Finwe ---> Samwise ... Please dont use any elves... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-25-2003, 06:17 PM	#542
The Laurenendorian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taruithorn Posts: 57	Finwë -> Oromë -> Irmo -> Olórin -> Samwise Or does the "don't use Gandalf" rule kick in here? If we're not allowed to use elves, then I think we have to go to an Ainu from Finwë. Perhaps: Finwë -> Ulmo -> Tuor -> Eärendil -> Elrond -> Samwise I'm not sure if Eärendil and Elrond count as elves or not. __________________ And Beren desperate then aside / thrust Lúthien, and forth did stride, unarmed, defenceless to defend / Tinúviel until the end

11-25-2003, 06:26 PM	#543
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Or how about: Finwë -> Ulmo -> Samwise ... since the stream that Frodo and Sam find in Mordor is, I believe, said to have been sent by Ulmo. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-25-2003, 06:27 PM	#544
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Is there actually any reference to Finwe meeting either Orome or Ulmo? I can't remember? Mine looked simpler: Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Witchking - Merry/frodo - Samwise or the Palantir solution: Finwe - Melkor - Sauron - Saruman/Pippin/Aragorn - Samwise __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-25-2003, 06:52 PM	#546
The Laurenendorian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taruithorn Posts: 57	Finwë certainly met Oromë, since he led the hosts to Valinor. --- Link Fíriel to the other Fíriel. I think I can do it in 5. __________________ And Beren desperate then aside / thrust Lúthien, and forth did stride, unarmed, defenceless to defend / Tinúviel until the end

11-25-2003, 06:54 PM	#547
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Fíriel-> Sam-> Glorfindel(or Elrond)-> Malbeth-> Arvedui-> Fíriel [ 07:56 PM November 25, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-25-2003, 07:05 PM	#548
The Laurenendorian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taruithorn Posts: 57	Is good. __________________ And Beren desperate then aside / thrust Lúthien, and forth did stride, unarmed, defenceless to defend / Tinúviel until the end

11-29-2003, 01:21 PM	#549
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Dairuin-> Hamfast No Sauron or Gandalf. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-29-2003, 04:50 PM	#550
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Dairuin-> Beren-> Melian-> Galadriel-> Frodo-> Hamfast Dairuin-> Beren-> Celegorm -> Elrond-> Frodo-> Hamfast The latter is the coolest as it dont use any Maiar [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-29-2003, 06:28 PM	#551
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	The first one was the closest, but you were right in the fact that there are no Maiar involved. Try again! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-30-2003, 03:05 AM	#552
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Lindo - am I wrong because you can do it in 5 or 4 ? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-01-2003, 03:11 PM	#553
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	No, you know what, I'll just give it to ya. Your's were fine anyway. No reason for me to put all sorts of limitations on it. Go ahead! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-01-2003, 05:02 PM	#554
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Ibun ---> Inzilbêth __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-03-2003, 05:16 PM	#555
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Ibun -> X -> X -> X -> X -> X -> Inzilbêth With a little good will it can be done like that ... is that 5 or 7 degrees ??? [ 6:16 PM December 03, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-03-2003, 06:17 PM	#556
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Ibun-> Tùrin-> Glaurung-> Sauron-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Ar-Gimilzôr-> Inzilbêth I have always considered the "->" to be one degree of separation. This one is six degrees, seven people. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-03-2003, 08:04 PM	#557
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Nice work - you can go on... on a sidenote: what do you think is the likelyhood that Pharazon and Inzilbêth met? Her being the grandmother of Tar-Miriel... We can asume that Pharazon was older than her and of close famely to Inzilbeth - som maybe you could cut Gimilzôr out? Secondly we can only asume that Glaurung and sauron met... right? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-04-2003, 06:20 PM	#558
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	True, I didn't think of that... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Zamin-> Estelmo __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."