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Wasn't it George Bernard Shaw who said that America and Britain are two countries divided by a common language?
![]() This thread proves him right! Apart from all of the differences in spelling and misconceptions about various foods; there is one thing that has always puzzled me. I like to cook and have often wanted to try recipes from America. However, I haven't yet managed to find out, exactly how much is a 'cup'? Sophia, your Seed cake certainly sounds like the one my mother used to make. For those looking to try Vegemite...don't bother, 'tis but a pale shadow of the delight that is Marmite ![]()
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I believe a 'cup' is equivalent to a half-pint.
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To the best of my knowledge, Manx refers to the Isle of Man, a largish isle situated between Great Britain and Ireland, and home to an indigenous, Celtic-style culture. I also believe that the tail-less Manx cats come from here.
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The Isle of Man also has a strong Viking heritage, and it has the oldest parliament in the world, the Tynwald. Manx is not a living language in the same way as Welsh and Irish Gaelic, which are used on a day to day basis as a first language by many native speakers, but it is undergoing a strong revival, as is the Cornish language.
Culturally, the Isle of Man is interesting with the influence of not only the Vikings and the English, but also two different Celtic cultures, Scotland and Ireland. I wonder what they call 'cake' there? ![]()
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cake:
jannoo keeak ~ cake keeak tey ~ tea cake berreen ~ cake berreen charvish ~ seedcake berreen corkey ~ oatcake berreen Elveishagh ~ Swiss roll berreen ghryle ~ girdle cake, slapjack berreen mess ~ slabcake berreen oarn ~ barleycake berreen ooyllagh ~ apple tart berreen ruggyree ~ birthday cake berreen soo thallooin ~ strawberry cake berreen spiosit ~ spicecake berreen spunje ~ sponge cake berreen Vadeiragh ~ Madeira cake berreen vanshey ~ bride's cake berreen vashtee ~ christening cake berreen volley ~ honey cake berreen vreck ~ currant cake |
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When I think of sponge cake, I think of those infamous, fattening, and cream filled Twinkies! ![]()
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Thanks for the seed cake pic Sophia, that's exactly the sort I remember. Maybe I'll have to go on a cake-related shopping expedition sometime soon.
Meanwhile pio, Lalwende and formendacil have answered the Manx question better than I ever could!
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And thank you, Rumil, for the "corny" (
![]() Sophia, I love poppy seed cake! I'm hungry now... Here's another cake question: Is "pound cake" the same all over? What about shortcake (as in strawberry)? Is there such a thing? We always use pound cake for strawberry shortcake - now that this thread has me thinking, it sounds strange. ![]()
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Pound o' butter
Pound o' sugar Pound o' flour Pound o' eggs = pound cake. Modern recipes have varied, of course, but in the beginning, the above sufficed. My mom the Mainer assures me this is so. Do you think hobbits ate cake with their strawberries and cream?
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Being a sad bean counter, I can tell you that the difference between a cake and a biscuit is that when exposed to the open air a biscuit will go soft and a cake will go hard. So although a jaffa cake looks like a biscuit .. it is a cake...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A528040
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wow Sophia, your mother made that cake too?
![]() I think up he-ah in the Noth, up he-ah in Waldo County Maine, we ah probibly the closest Americans to the Brits in the Country...Ayup reading The Hobbit, I tend to think of cake being close to what Sophia showed, but I also think of things like Zucchini Bread, which is loaf shaped with a crusty exterior, and soft, but kind of heavy interior. It is spicey and sweet, i think it has a lot of cinnamon in it, maybe nutmeg, not really sure. Anyway, its good, similar to bananna bread i guess. Nothing like corn on the Cob from Dickie Ingraham...ok im wandering ![]() Anyway, all i really know is the hobbit makes me hungry! Ohhh....another thing I might envision is brown bread, which, up here at least, is a traditional saturday night fixture to go along side baked beans. TB12 |
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And let's give Bilbo some o' that strahberry rubahb, and watch his face.
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I always pictured cram as rice cakes.
Attend: hard (with a rather styrofoam-esque texture), dry, somewhat tasteless, lasts forever. Picture, if you will, 13 dwarves and an unlucky hobbit living on naught but rice cakes. ![]() Fea
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Except isn't cram supposed to be very filling? Because I could eat rice cakes all day and still be hungry (if I could stand the taste, that it).
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I like rice cakes!!! Well Snack-a-Jacks at any rate.... I can't imagine Hobbits enjoying them though, although they could eat them allday without getting full. I s'pose that that would take the fun out of eating though...
I wonder if there is the same kind of divide between The Four Farthings with food? And what about words (just the other day I came across the word "coignes" and was assured that it referred to the British word "quoins"!)?
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First off, let me acknowledge how dumb it is I remember this thread from 17years ago but struggle to remember my new coworkers’ names.
Now on to the point. Handkerchiefs. Maybe it’s cultural but the only association I have with handkerchiefs is sort of low brow country folk. Bilbo having a handkerchiefs makes since because he’s so rural. Elrond having one is weird and when I read Bilbo borrowed Elrond’s handkerchief I laughed out loud for some reason. And I can’t quite articulate why. Im haven’t the darndest time seeing him wiping away sweat it just makes me chuckle. And blowing his nose? Out of the question Elves don’t get sick… and if they do don’t loan out the snot one to Bilbo…
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Up until quite recently, the Sixties (and among traditionalists the Eighties), no Englishmen who considered himself or aspired to be a gentleman would be without his handkerchief. This was separate from the one carefully folded in the jacket breast pocket, which was just for show;* the functional hanky was kept in another pocket out of sight, or tucked into the sleeve.
Paper tissues (i.e. Kleenex) simply didn't figure. One could say that the old guard were more environmentally friendly! ____________________________ *Unless handed to a lady who had spilled something on herself, usually with a restrainedly chivalrous flourish
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As for the question of cakes vs biscuits (not to mention cookies), I've come to understand that this is a matter of severe contention between the English and the denizens of their renegade colonies ![]() Now Bilbo's cumin cake is translated as kümmelkuchen in my German Hobbit, which does sound strange. Spontaneously I would have said it's probably a kind of cracker (ha! another category!), but it could also be something akin to Alsatian flammkuchen (flatbread usually topped with sour cream + other ingredients, all baked together, similar to pizza) or zwiebelkuchen (a kind of quiche topped with onions and usually flavoured with caraway seeds, which is not the same as cumin but related, I believe). Trust a culinary topic to draw me out of Entishness (Ent-ity?)!
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