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03-22-2021, 11:11 AM | #1 |
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The Elvish languages of the First Age
While playing around trying to translate some of Finrod-Zong into Sindarin, it occurred to me that while I vaguely know the relationships between the various Elven languages, I've never actually seen a direct comparison of them. I'm not thinking just of Quenya and Sindarin, either - the First Age has at least eight dialects west of the Blue Mountains! Sure, a lot of them are extremely fragmentary, but if I chose my sentence well, I might be able to create a comparative list.
I wanted to balance showing linguistic differences with using words we actually know; the sentence I came up with is The stars are beautiful, and you are my star. Working primarily from Ardalambion and Eldamo, plus David Salo on Telerin, I translated them into all the languages of Beleriand and Valinor at the rising of the Sun - and the Primitive Quendian they all came from. PRIMITIVE QUENDIAN: Eli banya, ada le êl niō.
NOLDORIN QUENYA: I eleni vanye nar, ar nalye elenya. VANYARIN QUENYA: I eleni vanyai nar, ar nalye elenya.
TELERIN: I ēli vaniai, ada de él nia.
SINDARIN: In gil bain, a nal gil nín.
DORIATHRIN: In elin bain, a nal el na.
NORTH SINDARIN: In elin bain, a nal el na.
NANDORIN: I eli bann, ad la el nao.
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03-23-2021, 07:52 AM | #2 |
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I took another look at the various sources (I should add this link for Vanyarin Quenya), and discovered that 'star' and 'beautiful' actually aren't that commonly known... whereas 'swan', 'elf', and 'blue' are! So I conjured up a new sentence, making use of the commonest words and a bit more grammar:
ENGLISH: An elm for a Quende, pale/blue swans for elves, all the black goblins for the Noldor-folk. PRIMITIVE QUENDIAN: Alab Kwende ho, lugnî alkwâi Eldâi ho, ada morî urkî Ñgolodôi ho. N. QUENYA: Alve Quendeo, luini alquar Eldalion, ar mori urqui Noldoron. V. QUENYA: Alve Quendeo, ulbani alquar Eldalion, ar morí urqui Ñoldoron. TELERIN: Alab Peno, alpai luini Elloio, ada urcolie mori Goldolie. SINDARIN: Alaf Penedh, eilph luin Edhil, a orchoth vyrn Golodhrim. DORIATHRIM: Lalm Cwenda, lûnin alchin Eldion, a dunnin urchrimion Goldrimion NORTH SINDARIN: Lalm Cwenda, lûnin elchin Eldion, a dunnin yrchathion Guldathion NANDORIN: Alm Cwendao, lygni ealci Edilon, ad dunna yrcas Goldason.
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I've preferred Eldamo for my vocabulary, because I know Ardalambion takes a very 'temporal fusion' approach; Eldamo splits the vocab up by period (unless you explicitly pick the Neo- language options). I think the most speculative portion is the Telerin, which is heavily based on Salo's comments - but even if/though my translations have errors, they still give an accurate feel for what the languages sound and taste like. hS
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