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06-25-2018, 08:56 PM | #1 | |
Quentingolmo
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The Ride of Eorl
This is the first draft of the chapter The Ride of Eorl.
This chapter is a thoroughly mixed bag of sources, and so there is no base text. Because of this, I have marked every instance of any text used, so as to be easy to follow. The markings are: FY-HL-xx for all the headlines for the Fading Years. RE-SL-xx for all expansions and changes to the narrative. Some conventions of my writing: Bold Text = source information, comments and remarks {example} = text that should be deleted [example] = normalized text, normally only used for general changes, as well as changes which are a part of replacement that is not grammatical. Underlined Text = text changed for grammatical reasons in the process of combining and inserting and removing. <source example> = additions with source information ...... = This section of the paragraph is unchanged from the source. Quote:
RE-SL-01: We open with the Appendix A portion talking about Eorl. For this opening portion, I mixed up the presentation of the text of Appendix A to fit a more chronological order, since now that we're inserting so much story, it flows better like this. RE-SL-02: Here I added a detail from his entry in the list of kings not given elsewhere. RE-SL-03: Here I jump ahead in Appendix A in order to keep things chronologically better and improve the flow of the storytelling. RE-SL-04: Here we switch to the Ride of Eorl text from UT. RE-SL-05: This addition from Appendix C of Galadriel and Celeborn seems to fit best here. I think its worth including because it describes Lorien and Gondor's borders, and since both are involved in the coming story, I think it works best. I think it fits well here since we are already talking about borders. Afterwards we return to the RoE narrative. RE-SL-06: This little bit from Appendix A has new information not in the longer text. RE-SL-07: This little paragraph of Appendix A has some good transition elements which are absent from the longer narrative. RE-SL-08: I removed this to avoid redundancy with the longer narrative. RE-SL-09: Same as 08. RE-SL-10: Since the long narrative ends there, the short description of the battle from Appendix A will have to do. FY-HL-11: Here we switch to the Cirion and Eorl narrative. RE-SL-12: This summarizes the events we have just related, so it needs to go. RE-SL-13: We have used this footnote in the text of the Sauron Defeated chapter of the Black Years, so I removed it here to avoid redundancy. RE-SL-14: I removed a reference to LotR. RE-SL-15: At every other occurrence of the name, it is given in the plural form, and every single occurrence of the English name it is also int the plural, so I changed the name to match. RE-SL-16: I removed a reference to LotR. RE-SL-17: Appendix A describes the initial settling of Rohan better than the C&E text, so I inserted the description here. RE-SL-18: This information has already been discussed at length above, so I removed it. RE-SL-19: Here we give the end of the Cirion and Eorl text, and describe the final resting place of Elendil. RE-SL-20: This final addition is the last unused bit of the Middle Men discussion from Dwarves and Men, and I think it is worth including here. I changed the reference to Faramir for obvious reasons. Last edited by ArcusCalion; 06-25-2018 at 09:29 PM. |
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06-26-2018, 10:23 AM | #2 | |||
King's Writer
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A good chapter. To everything I do not comment I agree.
RE-SL-07 to RE-SL-10: I think the main part of these adition has to come later. It is told that: the messengers of Cirion ‘ would have to go through Calenardhon and over the Undeeps, AND THEN through lands already watched and patrolled by the Balchoth’ (emphasis added). This means Calenardhon and the Undeeps were still under the control of Gondor when the messengers were send. Therefore I would edit the text here thus: Quote:
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RE-SL-20: You miss ‘in his time’, which must be changed: Quote:
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06-26-2018, 11:49 AM | #3 |
Quentingolmo
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RE-SL-07/08/09: I agree with your reasoning, but I think to include the last sentence is redundant, since the same information is repeated in the next paragraph.Therefore, I think we should remove the entire addition of 07 to the place where you moved it, at the end, exactly as you edited it in 10b The only thing is that we need to change all the verb tenses in that paragraph to the past perfect, the 'had swept', 'had crossed', 'had made,' and 'had overrun'. This way we follow your logic, but avoid redundancy.
I agree to the rest. Last edited by ArcusCalion; 06-26-2018 at 11:59 AM. |
06-26-2018, 12:26 PM | #4 |
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RE-SL-07b: I don't think it is the same. Cirion first tries to get help from the peoples still lingering in the lower vales of Anduin, but they are few and reluctant to help. than ha sends for help to Eotheod. At least that is how I read the text of Appendix A.
RE-SL-10b: Agreed. Respectfully Findegil |
06-26-2018, 12:42 PM | #5 |
Quentingolmo
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07b: You are right, I misread. We will stick with your version.
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1) Do we have a convention for how we indicate historical in-universe works? In this chapter,
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There are two instances of the word "yon" which should be "you". 3) The last sentence of RE-SL-19 is: Quote:
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01-15-2019, 11:04 PM | #7 |
Quentingolmo
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1) Agreed to italicize it.
2) Good catches 3) This is a good point, and it makes for a better opening to the subheading. I agree to this movement. The Cirion and Eorl subheading will now begin with "{In the days of Cirion ... Rohirrim rescued the realm.} When the war [of the Balcoth] ..." with the marker RS-SL-12b. The first two paragraphs will be moved to the place gandalf suggests under the marker RS-SL-11b. 4) Agreed 5) Nice finds! Agreed to both. |
01-16-2019, 01:30 PM | #8 |
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I agree to all of these changes.
Respectfully Findegil |
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