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01-22-2012, 12:33 PM | #1 | ||
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The Inklings Laughed
Years ago--not quite so far back as the Third Age but possibly before some Downers were born--I had the great pleasure of chatting with an eminent Old English scholar at a pub in his honour after he presented a paper. Truth be told, I cannot recall his name nor the subject of his paper. If I did, I suspect, given how small the Old English coterie is world wide, I would realise I had been six degrees of separation from The Professor himself. (No, I'm not saying it was Him, but a colleague.)
What I do remember from chatting with him was his light hearted approach to research, footnotes, bibliographies and academic rigour. He lauded the habit of making two lists of books influential to one's work: those for a respectable list of the highest forms of scholarship, and those which really make a mark on thought, imagination, enjoyment. Suffice to say, it was the second list we discussed at the pub. Which brings me to the Inklings. We have a long habit here on the Downs of discussing the serious stuff as regards Tolkien, Lewis, and the other members of the Inklings--Scandinavian sagas, Finnish lays, Old German folks tales, philology, theology, Welsh tales. (Some of these of course would make both of those lists I mentioned above.) But what made them laugh? They couldn't have spent every meeting at the Bird and Baby or in Lewis' rooms being eminently serious about their own writing or research. There is, in short, a gap in our knowledge, a gap in our understanding of what they sought out in literature to read to each other. Enter Amanda McKittrick Ros, a late Victorian schoolteacher who apparently was An Author So Bad She's Good. According to this blog, Books So Bad They're Good: The Inklings Laughed (scroll down past the discussion of Eye of Argon, the Inklings would read her aloud until they peeled over in fits of laughter. I haven't verified this with either the Letters or Carpenter's biography, but I can certainly see them reacting to gems such as this: Quote:
Or this remarkable appreciation of Westminster Abbey: Quote:
In short, does anyone have any other examples of writers who tickled the Inklings' funny bones? What kinds of senses of humour did they have? (And if our Modess wishes to move this thread to Mirth, so be it.)
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01-22-2012, 12:59 PM | #2 | |
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Wow, Bethberry, these books are priceless! (the ones on the website, I mean). No wonder the Inklings laughed over them!
I'm afraid I can't contribute much to answering your question, as I am less than little learned in the historical side of Tolkien, especially in such details as what books made the Inklings laugh. It seems that they enjoyed a dose of self-humour, though, by the words of another Downer: Quote:
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01-24-2012, 05:38 PM | #3 |
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I'm beginning to wonder if that story isn't just a bit apocryphal.
I've heard it, but not attributed to Lewis, and with an *expletive deleted* before elf, which would make the speaker possibly one of those Oxford types hostile to The Professor. I don't have the Letters or Carpenter at hand, but perhaps can canvass those more knowledgeable than me. Any one?
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01-30-2012, 12:17 PM | #4 | |
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Ah, I was right. The quote is not from Lewis, but from Hugo Dyson. And according to my sources in the Tolkien Society there's some disagreement over whether the expletive was used or not.
Scull and Hammond in the Reader's Guide offer the following, from A.N. Wilson's biography of Lewis: Quote:
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01-30-2012, 05:18 PM | #5 |
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That sucks. I thought it was a nice good-humoured story... Doesn't sound so nice or good-humoured anymore...
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01-31-2012, 11:39 AM | #6 | |
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Dyson wanted centre stage and sometimes he was given it. Maybe he preferred readings from Amanda McKittrick Ros?
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01-31-2012, 03:37 PM | #7 |
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I think that story has been disputed, though. IIRC there was also an Inkling who was very good friends with Tolkien, and vice versa, even though they disliked each others' work ... was that Charles Williams?
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01-31-2012, 04:23 PM | #8 |
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I think you are right, Pervinca Took--and welcome to the Downs! It has been. However, what has been most disputed is whether the comment included the expletive or not.
It is true that Wilson, Lewis' biographer, was not present at Inkling meetings and so he is not reporting something he witnessed but would appear to be quoting Tolkien's opinion of the proceedings. Apparently Warren Lewis in his diary mentions that Dyson had a veto over LotR, but I haven't read the diary. Funny you should mention Williams. As someone said to me on another site, about this question, it would be funnier if Williams said this comment.
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