Who is he starting to sound like? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nimrodel_9 · 10-06-2004, 04:24 PM

I don`t know if this has been asked before or not, but it has been bothering me for quite some time. In The Two Towers where Frodo and Sam are having an arguement

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Sam: It`s the Ring. You can`t take your eyes off it. I`ve seen you. You`re not eatin`. You barely sleep. It`s takin` a hold of you, Mr. Frodo. You have to fight it!
Frodo: I know what I have to do, Sam. The Ring was entrusted to me me! It`s my task! Mine! My own!
Sam: Can`t you hear yourself? Don`t you know who you sound like?

Who is Sam talking about? My guess it`s Gollum. (Mine! My own!) But I`m not sure. Who else could it be? Boromir? Isildur? What are your thoughts?

The Only Real Estel · 10-06-2004, 05:59 PM

Gollum is the one that jumped out to me, & I think that's who PJ is insinuating Frodo is beginning to sound like. At any rate it couldn't have been Boromir, because he never said it was 'his', since he hadn't ever possessed it.

Carnimírië · 10-06-2004, 06:11 PM

I'd say it's Gollum. After all that is who Frodo sounded like most just then.

When Frodo said

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It`s my task! Mine! My own!

I half expected him to add "My Precious!"

Zebedee · 10-06-2004, 07:30 PM

I also think that it was Gollum.

Nimrodel_9 · 10-08-2004, 04:05 PM

Yes, I also expected him to add "my precious" to that.

I thought it was Gollum Sam was talking about, but I wasn`t quite sure.

Neferchoirwen · 10-10-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimrodel_9

Who is Sam talking about? My guess it`s Gollum. (Mine! My own!) But I`m not sure. Who else could it be? Boromir? Isildur? What are your thoughts?

The reason why Frodo sounds this way is because the Ring affects its bearers in hte same way, giving a real persona to the vice we call greed.

Sam, on the side of it, associates this tone to Gollum, since he has only heard Gollum. Boromir was alone with Frodo when He talked this way, and Sam was nowhere near Isildur in time or space to hear the king.

The Only Real Estel · 10-11-2004, 08:11 PM

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Boromir was alone with Frodo when He talked this way

Although Sam's speech to Faramir in Osgiliath (in TTT) would indicate that Frodo had told him of his encounter with Boromir. Still, Boromir never used those words, so you're right that Sam couldn't have been speaking of Boromir when he was talking to Frodo.

Neferchoirwen · 10-12-2004, 01:02 AM

Oh, I overlooked that. Thaks, Esty !

Nimrodel_9 · 10-13-2004, 03:43 PM

Yes, I was going to say that Estel. The reason why I thought Boromir could have been who he was talking about was because of how he said, "It could have been mine! It should be mine!"

Arwen Imladris · 10-20-2004, 07:26 PM

What about Bilbo? At the beggining of FOTR he says;

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It's mine! I found it! It came to me!

Although it is different words, it's the same spirit, the focus on 'me' and 'mine'.

The Only Real Estel · 10-20-2004, 07:39 PM

That's true, Arwen Imladris; but I doubt that Sam would've known of the conversation. It seems unlikely that Gandalf would've spoken later of what happened, except maybe to convince Frodo of the power of the Ring. In which case I don't think Frodo would've felt the need to tell Sam about it, certainly not down to the very exact words. Still, you never know

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sassyfriend · 09-29-2011, 07:58 PM

Gollum

10-06-2004, 07:30 PM	#4
Zebedee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 61	I also think that it was Gollum. __________________ If at first you don't succed, then skydiving isn't for you.

10-08-2004, 04:05 PM	#5
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	Yes, I also expected him to add "my precious" to that. I thought it was Gollum Sam was talking about, but I wasn`t quite sure. __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

10-12-2004, 01:02 AM	#8
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Oh, I overlooked that. Thaks, Esty ! __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

10-13-2004, 03:43 PM	#9
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	Yes, I was going to say that Estel. The reason why I thought Boromir could have been who he was talking about was because of how he said, "It could have been mine! It should be mine!" __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

10-06-2004, 05:59 PM	#2
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Gollum is the one that jumped out to me, & I think that's who PJ is insinuating Frodo is beginning to sound like. At any rate it couldn't have been Boromir, because he never said it was 'his', since he hadn't ever possessed it.

10-20-2004, 07:39 PM	#11
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	That's true, Arwen Imladris; but I doubt that Sam would've known of the conversation. It seems unlikely that Gandalf would've spoken later of what happened, except maybe to convince Frodo of the power of the Ring. In which case I don't think Frodo would've felt the need to tell Sam about it, certainly not down to the very exact words. Still, you never know .

09-29-2011, 07:58 PM	#12
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	Gollum