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Some could argue that he would dislike the whole thing - or refuse to even see it - which seems likely. However, say J.R.R. Tolkien did see the movies, and a few things made him smile. Maybe he would smile about the whole new wave of Tolkien fans the movies created, fans that didn't just watch the movies but read the books and really became involved in Tolkien's, not Jackson's, world.
What about Jackson's trilogy do you think Tolkien would be most pleased with? I'm going to have to say it would be the musical score by Howard Shore. The music, in my opinion, captures the spirit of Tolkien's books. All of the scores fit so perfectly in all of the scenes they are played to. What's also good is that Jackson really didn't use much of the poetry or songs in the movies (and although Tolkien might have frowned upon that) it allows us to make melodies to them ourselves as we read them in the books. The one's that Jackson did use, such as "The Road Goes Ever On and On..." is a great adaptation. I hum the melody to myself when reading it in Tolkien. It just works. For me, anyhow. I also think that Tolkien would have enjoyed the scenery, the falling of the leaves (in such scenes as Rivendell, Lorien, etc), and the magic about the movies. What do you think he would have enjoyed?
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I always find it uncomfortable when people try and guess what dead people would do or think. But to be a hypocrite, I have to agree with you and say he would have loved the music.
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I agree its very likely he would have loved the music.
I also think he would have loved the scenery, with the possible exception of Rohan. Tolkien's description was very much like the great plains of North America. New Zealand has nothing quite like that landscape. Jackson had to make do with an open plain that was rough and rocky and less rolling than what Tolkien described. It didn't look bad, not at all, but it was the only landscape that didn't seem to fit what Tolkien described. Also, the major sets/CGI mattes were dead-on, especially Moria and Minas Tirith. There were some performances he would have appreciated as well. Ian McKellan did incredibly well portraying Gandalf (up until he bashed Denethor in the head!) Also, Bilbo, Gollum, Wormtongue, Eowyn and Eomer were all exactly what I would have expected. I wonder what he would have thought of the more 'human' and 'multi-dimensional' Boromir. I think he would have appreciated the need to flesh-out the character when putting him on film. I certainly did.
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I think he would've loved the shire.
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sorry Elfchick
I wanted to say something nice and insightful for your thread here, but I just.. I just bloody well can't.
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Go read what I think of the movies in the thread What movie is best, or somesuch, and then my meaning will be made clear to you. Don't despair! You seem nice and I like your posts.
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I think he would be pleased with Sam's character, and how well he was played. Tolkien would have loved the battle scenes, there were no films back then with that kind of action. (excluding Ben-Hur...)
Remember, it is not that Tolkien did not want the movies to be made, but that he did not think it could be done.
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I have to believe the sweeping landscapes would have just amazed him. I remember the first trailer where we saw the Fellowship slowly come to the top of that hill - I think he would have liked that. The music of course. Some of the sets like Barad-dur and Helms Deep should have pleased him also. I imagine the sore points would be character deviations and script changes.
Ernest Hemingway had the right idea. He said that a writer and producer should meet at midnight on a deserted beach. The writer tosses the book to the producer while a briefcase of cash is tossed his way in return. The two never speak to each other again. ![]() |
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I think that Tolkien would like the Shire and the music and the scenery yes having an exception of Rohan...sorry Rohan.
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I think Tolkien would have liked the people who played the characters, they were chosen very carefully and are very good at what they do. And yes, he would have liked the music. And not Rohan. I also think he may have liked the scene where Fairmir asks Frodo who Sam is saying "who is he, your bodyguard?" and Sam goes "No, his gardener." Of course that is not in the book but still I think he would find it cute.
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Sam
No question about it. Peter Jackson really captured Sam's character beautifully in Sean Astin (or is it Austin
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Sorry for bumping an OT, but I just had to comment
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I think he may have appreciated the art as well.
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Well, That and Titanic are the only other movies to get 11 oscars
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And keep in mind that it took those other films more than 11 nominations to win their 11. ROTK had 11 nominations and a perfect sweep winning all 11- as Mr. Spielberg said when he handed over the Best Film Oscar to Jackson. Thats batting 1.000%.
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he would have loved the whole movie... tolkien lovers believe the movies did not bastardize the books and that is saying a lot...
tolkien himself would have liked the way gondor was made... such a beautiful city set to life by jackson and his team... |
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I'd say the Shire would be the one of the only ones Tolkien could really relate to, because he was from a period of time that didn't include digital effects or all the other things we have in movies these days.
I must say he would have loved King Theoden's speech in RotK, and the whole grandness of the Rohirrim. I think he wouldn't have minded the idea of Elves at Helm's Deep much, at least until they started fighting so freakishly... |
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Here is Tolkien's caveat regarding M.G. Zimmerman's proposed 1958 screenplay:
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