pippin is smarter than hes portrayed - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

gayare'dion · 06-23-2002, 03:52 PM

in the movie, pippin is always played down as the worthless member, like when hes throwing stones in the water, when that was boromir who threw the stones. although it does stay true to some of his mistakes, like the well scene in the mines of moria, but still pj made him too unserious in TTT pippin shows a very cunning personality, making it seem like he has the ring to grishnak , and i was really surprised when i read that. they even portrayed merry a little smarter than him, like when, it was merry who led the orcs away from frodo. i hope in TTT they give pippin the characteristics shown in the book

Daniel Telcontar · 06-23-2002, 03:58 PM

I must admit, when I saw Pippin in the movie, and thought that he was going to be Thain of the Shire, I shook my head. But I think PJ is right when portraying Merry as the smarter. It is Merry who studies maps in Rivendell, so that he knows that the hobbits are in Fangorn. Pippin just hoped that somebody would be with him to lead the way. And at the scouring of the Shire, it is Merry who acts like the leader, and it is Merry who assists in killing the Nazgûl leader. So I think PJ hasn't made a mistake when making Pippin dumber than Merry.

gayare'dion · 06-23-2002, 04:01 PM

yes merry does do some important stuff, but the both of them are played down, not just pippin. i just think pippin could be made a little smarter

ElanorGamgee · 06-23-2002, 04:12 PM

Pippin is portrayed as pretty stupid in the movie, although they do ease up on him a bit by making the incident at the well in Moria a mistake rather than having him deliberately toss a stone in the well. I think both he and Merry will mature a lot more in the next movie, The Two Towers.

Gorothlammothiel · 06-23-2002, 04:13 PM

Pipin did seem to be portrayed as something other than what he is in the film but with his actions in TTT I expect that this will change in the next movie.

Ms. Took · 06-23-2002, 06:32 PM

I agree. I don't think that Pippin is stupid, so much as just careless. I hope that PJ portrays him smarter in TTT.

Nevfeniel · 06-23-2002, 06:35 PM

They better! That way my dad will believe me when I say that he contributes a lot to the story. Since FotR, my dad is convinced that Pippin is some clumsy moron who can't do anything right

ElanorGamgee · 06-23-2002, 06:53 PM

I saw the movie before reading the book, and I was kind of annoyed when Pippin and Merry decided to tag along with Frodo and Sam. Actually, I expected them to get killed off as soon as the action started up. I think that Pippin and Merry's relationship with Frodo could have been explained much better in the movie.

Nufaciel · 06-24-2002, 09:15 AM

I think that they will make them more mature in the next two movies. I don't think that they made them really dumb, but more like they were immature. I think that will pretty much end now that they're with the Uruk-hai. If you notice, they do get more mature in the book at this point.

06-24-2002, 09:25 AM

Yes, he was partrayed as being very stuupid or careless. but you have to admit, It would have been a pretty dull film without that.

06-24-2002, 09:33 AM

i htink that pj is only trying to ephasize on how much pippin is going to change in the next two books...he really just make a 180 in character...

gayare'dion · 06-24-2002, 04:59 PM

i guess it will make him more mature in the next movie

MYyyPreciousSS · 06-29-2002, 04:37 PM

I agree with Knight_Link. I think that PJ wanted Pippin to seem more immature now, so that everyone could tell how much he has changed later and to show how much the journey has changed the characters. Also PJ probably wanted at least one comic relief type character and he chose Pippin.

Brinniel · 06-30-2002, 03:13 AM

Merry is smarter than Pippin, but that doesn't mean he is dumb. Pippin isn't dumb at all, just clumsy.

Later in the books, Merry and Pippin see war and death. They meet new people and travel very far from the Shire. All of this affects their lives. After being in such a serious situation, the hobbits have no choice but to grow up.

Belin · 06-30-2002, 10:39 AM

I agree with Nufaciel. It could be that I am overly influenced by my own ideas about Pippin, but I really didn't think he was portrayed as dumb, just a little careless and immature. One of my favorite lines in the movie is one that I've seldom heard mentioned otherwise: Pippin's "is he going to die?" as Frodo ails from the knife. He's never exactly certain what's going on (and why should he be? Nobody's explained it to him), but he's trying to figure it out and he's not quite ready to accept everyone else's seriousness (which is actually one of the things I like best about him). Immaturity and confusion will make people seem dumb, you know, but it's not the same thing. And I was actually grateful (yes, grateful) to Billy Boyd for seeeming to understand that.--Belin Ibaimendi

06-23-2002, 03:52 PM	#1
gayare'dion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 75	pippin is smarter than hes portrayed in the movie, pippin is always played down as the worthless member, like when hes throwing stones in the water, when that was boromir who threw the stones. although it does stay true to some of his mistakes, like the well scene in the mines of moria, but still pj made him too unserious<BR> in TTT pippin shows a very cunning personality, making it seem like he has the ring to grishnak , and i was really surprised when i read that. <BR> they even portrayed merry a little smarter than him, like when, it was merry who led the orcs away from frodo.<BR> i hope in TTT they give pippin the characteristics shown in the book __________________ i like pants!

06-23-2002, 03:58 PM	#2
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	I must admit, when I saw Pippin in the movie, and thought that he was going to be Thain of the Shire, I shook my head. But I think PJ is right when portraying Merry as the smarter. It is Merry who studies maps in Rivendell, so that he knows that the hobbits are in Fangorn. Pippin just hoped that somebody would be with him to lead the way. And at the scouring of the Shire, it is Merry who acts like the leader, and it is Merry who assists in killing the Nazgûl leader. So I think PJ hasn't made a mistake when making Pippin dumber than Merry. __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

06-23-2002, 04:01 PM	#3
gayare'dion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 75	yes merry does do some important stuff, but the both of them are played down, not just pippin. i just think pippin could be made a little smarter __________________ i like pants!

06-23-2002, 04:12 PM	#4
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	Pippin is portrayed as pretty stupid in the movie, although they do ease up on him a bit by making the incident at the well in Moria a mistake rather than having him deliberately toss a stone in the well. I think both he and Merry will mature a lot more in the next movie, <I>The Two Towers</I>. __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

06-23-2002, 06:32 PM	#6
Ms. Took Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Great Smials Posts: 63	I agree. I don't think that Pippin is stupid, so much as just careless. I hope that PJ portrays him smarter in TTT. __________________ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars -Oscar Wilde Check out my website. http://groups.msn.com/pippinfanclub

06-23-2002, 04:13 PM	#5
Gorothlammothiel Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sitting in front of my preferred world.... Posts: 254	Pipin did seem to be portrayed as something other than what he is in the film but with his actions in TTT I expect that this will change in the next movie.

06-23-2002, 06:35 PM	#7
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	They better! That way my dad will believe me when I say that he contributes a lot to the story. Since FotR, my dad is convinced that Pippin is some clumsy moron who can't do anything right __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

06-23-2002, 06:53 PM	#8
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	I saw the movie before reading the book, and I was kind of annoyed when Pippin and Merry decided to tag along with Frodo and Sam. Actually, I expected them to get killed off as soon as the action started up. I think that Pippin and Merry's relationship with Frodo could have been explained much better in the movie. __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

06-24-2002, 09:15 AM	#9
Nufaciel Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 133	I think that they will make them more mature in the next two movies. I don't think that they made them really dumb, but more like they were immature. I think that will pretty much end now that they're with the Uruk-hai. If you notice, they do get more mature in the book at this point. __________________ Member of Pervy Elf Fanciers Anonymous...I need professional help.

06-24-2002, 09:25 AM	#10
raefindel Guest Posts: n/a	Yes, he was partrayed as being very stuupid or careless. but you have to admit, It would have been a pretty dull film without that.

06-24-2002, 09:33 AM	#11
Knight_Link Guest Posts: n/a	i htink that pj is only trying to ephasize on how much pippin is going to change in the next two books...he really just make a 180 in character...

06-24-2002, 04:59 PM	#12
gayare'dion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 75	i guess it will make him more mature in the next movie __________________ i like pants!

06-29-2002, 04:37 PM	#13
MYyyPreciousSS Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the Here and Now Posts: 113	I agree with Knight_Link. I think that PJ wanted Pippin to seem more immature now, so that everyone could tell how much he has changed later and to show how much the journey has changed the characters. Also PJ probably wanted at least one comic relief type character and he chose Pippin. __________________ Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her. "My Preciousss" - the line that started the obsession.

06-30-2002, 03:13 AM	#14
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Merry is smarter than Pippin, but that doesn't mean he is dumb. Pippin isn't dumb at all, just clumsy. Later in the books, Merry and Pippin see war and death. They meet new people and travel very far from the Shire. All of this affects their lives. After being in such a serious situation, the hobbits have no choice but to grow up. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum Last edited by Brinniel; 02-05-2007 at 07:02 PM.

06-30-2002, 10:39 AM	#15
Belin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: all the wide unfriendly pathways of the world Posts: 330	I agree with Nufaciel. It could be that I am overly influenced by my own ideas about Pippin, but I really didn't think he was portrayed as dumb, just a little careless and immature. One of my favorite lines in the movie is one that I've seldom heard mentioned otherwise: Pippin's "is he going to die?" as Frodo ails from the knife. He's never exactly certain what's going on (and why should he be? Nobody's explained it to him), but he's trying to figure it out and he's not quite ready to accept everyone else's seriousness (which is actually one of the things I like best about him). Immaturity and confusion will make people seem dumb, you know, but it's not the same thing.<BR>And I was actually grateful (yes, grateful) to Billy Boyd for seeeming to understand that.<P>--Belin Ibaimendi __________________ "I hate dignity," cried Scraps, kicking a pebble high in the air and then trying to catch it as it fell. "Half the fools and all the wise folks are dignified, and I'm neither the one nor the other." --L. Frank Baum