NAZGUL SONG! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Daecuiel the Elf · 04-05-2002, 05:45 PM

It goes like this: A horse is a corpse, of course, of course! And I am the corpse that rides the horse. And with great force and no remorse I kill those Hobbits dead. I COMPLETLY made it up. And did NOT get it from Mad Magazine, of course!

04-05-2002, 05:49 PM

This is so funny! I love it. Really.

Daecuiel the Elf · 04-05-2002, 06:00 PM

I was joking, I got it from Mad Magazine!

Airetalathwen · 04-05-2002, 09:19 PM

Haha, still funny though. Thanks for sharing.~Airetalathwen

Mayla Took · 04-05-2002, 09:24 PM

HA HA!! I LOVE IT! I love funny songs petaining to Tolkien. (Even if some are kinda mean.) ha ha j/k

Nazgûl Queen · 04-05-2002, 10:40 PM

<center>Do not make fun of the nazgul Queen, or she will not kill thee in thy turn. She will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy mind shall be devoured and you shall bow down beofre her terrible might!

Bramblerose Gamgee-Took · 04-06-2002, 03:15 AM

Lol, thats funny! Oh my! *cowers behind a bush from Nazgul Queen*

Elrian · 04-06-2002, 05:50 AM

No need to cower Bramblerose, the Nazgul were men not women, as in 9 rings for mortal men doomed to die!

Daecuiel the Elf · 04-06-2002, 07:30 PM

You have a point there, Elrian! There is no Nazgùl Queen... But besides that it's not making fun of them.

Daecuiel the Elf · 04-07-2002, 08:39 AM

AH! NO! THE ACCENT WAS WRONG! *bursts out in tears* I'M NO LotR FAN IF I CAN'T EVEN GET THE ACCENT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! ERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

Daecuiel the Elf · 04-07-2002, 08:44 AM

Well, yes, I'm a fan, but the accent was wrong in Nazgûl! *cries some more* WAAAAA!!!!!!!!! *slaps herself* I needed that.

04-09-2002, 03:12 PM

Translation in Nazgul for that don't understand (shreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek shraaaaack shrooooooooooooook)

Elven-Maiden · 04-09-2002, 03:24 PM

Oh, I have another one: "We are Nazgul, my friend, and we'll keep on fighting till the end, For we are the Nazgul, We are the Nazgul, Oh the World"(We are the Champion, Queen)

Nazgûl Queen · 04-10-2002, 04:39 AM

<center>But where does it say that by MEN it means males? It could very well mean humans, because all humans are often refered to as "men" or "mankind"And besides, who knows whether the historians were right? they wouldnt exactly go up to all the nazgul and do a survey of their genders!

Elrian · 04-10-2002, 05:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But where does it say that by MEN it means males? It could very well mean humans, because all humans are often refered to as "men" or "mankind" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In the Silmarillion it states: "Men proved easier to ensnare. Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, and warriors of old." Kings, sorcerers, and warriors are male in gender not female.

Lossenavariel · 04-10-2002, 06:02 PM

MEN DOESN'T MEAN ONLY GUYS!!! wemon can be scorcers

Thinhyandoiel · 04-10-2002, 07:30 PM

I thought a woman would be termed a Sorceress, not a Sorcerer.

Elrian · 04-10-2002, 11:24 PM

Women would be termed sorceress.

KingCarlton · 04-10-2002, 11:47 PM

I dare say that would be right, the race of men as it is in Middle Earth were considered as a whole of the males and females therein.Cheers to all Nazgul Queens. Besides I find her blood red script ...er... intriguing.A Nazgul queen...hm.. this warrants and investigation. Who will join me on this quest... a fellowship perhaps.Help ! Help !**********Query : Do they still print those Idiotic books? Know Peace

KingCarlton · 04-11-2002, 12:38 AM

Kings, Sorcerers and Warriors are indeed men...but then females could take their places. One could club their genders as one.For Kings there are Queens. A regal.For Sorcerers there are Sorceress'. An arcane.For Warriors there are ...women warriors? Amazons? A defender.Think about this - Witches are female. We have Warlocks, but everytime it is mentioned, there is an explanation - Warlock, ie - male witch. And it doesn't go vice versa.Haven't you heard - "He's a witch !" "What..how ?" "I mean a Warlock?" "What's that ? " "A male witch" "Oh !"Have you ever heard - "She's a warlock !" "What..how ?" "I mean a Witch?" "What's that ? " "A female warlock" "Oh !" Maybe you shoudn't discriminate againts the females of the nazgul, Elrian. I did that last week against female Orcs and now I keep sensing rabid feminist orcs everywhere I go. Everywhere.Jokes apart - sprites, dryads, naiads, gorgons, etc. are mostly potrayed as females, but there has to be males of their kind too. ~Believes there should be more female characters in LOTR, why not the Nazgul~Know Peace

Nazgûl Queen · 04-11-2002, 04:45 AM

<center>KingCarlton, you are correct!Witches always refer to females... So If a male Nazgul is the WITCH King of Angmar, why can't a female be a sorcewror/warrior (genderless/king (and i KNOW Ive read a book wqith a female KING)

Nevtalathiel · 04-11-2002, 05:09 AM

Nice to see I affected you like that King Carlton!But the ringwraiths are clearly female. Let me explain:1.They scream-what self-respecting man screams? 2.They all wear the little black dress, the idea with which all females will be familiar. 3.They ride horses-how many little boys do you know who desperately want a pony? 4.They are all devoted to one manI think that proves that all the Nazgul were female!

Elrian · 04-11-2002, 06:11 PM

The Nazgul are clearly male according to the Sil. Witch-KING of Angmar is only a name given to the LORD of the Nazgul. [ April 11, 2002: Message edited by: Elrian ]

Nazgûl Queen · 04-12-2002, 02:11 AM

<center>This is a very amusing debate, but I must agree with Elrian. The nazgul are definately all male. But that doesn't change the fact that I can pretend to be the queen of them... because everything's possible in Tolkien's world, and there's always the chance that the Historians didn't know their was a (or many) female nazgul.Note to Nevtalathiel: I don't scream - never have and never will, and I'm a girl.

04-12-2002, 02:17 AM

And you should, Naz Queen..... Historians..what do they know.Now if we could have some Orc and Uruk Hai Queens.That would make my day.And I didn't know that screaming was just a female thing. Duh !Know Peace !

Nevtalathiel · 04-12-2002, 04:20 AM

Someone seems to like the idea of female orcs all of a sudden, King Carlton!And I don't meen that all girls scream, just that girls scream more than guys!

The Half-Hobbit · 04-12-2002, 10:10 AM

I like the idea of female Nazgul. Wasn't the Silmarillion supposed to be translated from ancient elvish? Perhaps there was a mistake in translation, or whoever did the original translation DID'NT like the idea of female Nazgul...that would explain why they don't get mentioned.

Maikadilwen · 04-12-2002, 01:45 PM

Well, to all this male/female debating. "Three rings to the elven KINGS" But Galadriel was one of them. Hmmm, I wonder if Celeborn knows something we don't? And after being stabbed, it was said, that Frodo would become a ringwraith(Nazgûl) if he was not healed quickly. Nowhere mentioned that it couldn't have happened to a woman!!!! I LOOOOVE the Nazgûl.

NinjaFerret · 04-23-2002, 03:42 PM

You Decide:The Nazgul were women: -They stopped and asked directions. -They were color coordinated (I'm afraid this applies to all women except me.) -They all had matching accessories; bridles, swords, etc.The Nazgul were men: -Each and every one of them was fixated on getting one thing. The Ring. (What did you think I was going to say??? ) -They had beards. -Never got those cloaks washed, no matter what they had ridden through.

Maikadilwen · 04-24-2002, 04:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> -Each and every one of them was fixated on getting one thing. The Ring. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm afraid that suits a lot of women as well. So Sauron just had 9 women in his harem.

Nevtalathiel · 04-24-2002, 11:44 AM

They were women: -They went chasing after jewelry -They had horses (or should I say ponies) which I'm sure they loved dearly -They chased the hobbits and the fellowship, a large group of attractive males (maybe the ring thing was all a misunderstanding!)

NinjaFerret · 04-24-2002, 05:05 PM

I keep thinking about Monty Python's Flying Circus' "Hell's Grannies" sketch. Something about the long trailing black cloaks... I can almost hear them evilly cackling. Just saying that made me feel very happy. I am beginning to believe that they are women. I dig the whole ring misunderstanding. But if they were indeed Sauron's harem of nine, what was the problem? Why did they leave to chase the men of the fellowship?And the beards... I can't think of a good explanation, and it bothers me to think about women with beards like that. Heh. May your luck esceed the stench of your oxters.

VanimaEdhel · 04-24-2002, 05:33 PM

Well: the Nazgul, I am sure, were supposed to be all male (old kings), but...a Nazgul Queen would not be so great. This is how it would be: <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>They would be so much more LOGICAL: they certainly would have caught Frodo (they would not just go wandering, they would stop, dismount, and say "Excuse me, but...did you see a hobbit and some companions go by?", find someone who knew, then catch the hobbits...not good for the story<LI>They might or might not be color coordinated, but that's okay!<LI>They probably either would have gotten ensnared with the ring's power sooner OR not at all: either they would say "ooooo! A ring! Goodie!" or they would have said "Ummm...something's fishy here..."<LI>It would be more PC today (even though we women would have a worse name because of it )</UL>Well: the novel would certainly have been interesting if there were female Nazgul. Hmmm: we should write a fanfic, where it turns out that one of the nine is a female...sort of like an account of her life and what happened...hmmm...I may do that if I run out of ideas for fanfics...

04-25-2002, 12:56 PM

NinjaFerret, maybe they were bearded circus ladies, a fetish of Sauron's and maybe he didn't treat them as welll as they felt they deserved and thought the guys in the fellowship were nicer???

Nazgûl Queen · 04-26-2002, 01:39 AM

<center>I STILL think that the whole beard thing was a misinterpretation of the historical records.

Neferchoirwen · 04-26-2002, 02:30 AM

Well anyway...I loved the Nazgul songs--especially the the one that goes with 'we are the champions.'And on the subject of females being Nazguls... Judging from Nev's theoretical observations,(hope that makes sense...) I think that it would be cool to be one (I said something about that in one of the movie threads that praises the way theY were portrayed in the movie)

Daecuiel the Elf · 04-28-2002, 11:04 AM

I am almost positive the Tolkien meant for the Nazgûl to be all male. Just because some suggestions say they COULD be female, doesn't mean they are. But that would be kinda cool if Morgul (I hear that is the Witch King's name) turned out to be a girl! But I am sure Tolkien meant for them to be all guys. I am not sure who, but some one said something about Frodo getting stabbed, him maybe turning into a Nazgûl, it could happen to a female, etc. I just wanted to say that that would be REALLY funny to see a little 3-foot-tall Nazgûl riding around with the other 7-foot-tall Nagûl! I just think of a little Hobbit cloaked and you're un-able to see his face, riding a pony! That would make the movie EXTREMLY interesting, do ya think? Well, I have nothing much else to say...~Elfy

04-05-2002, 05:45 PM	#1
Daecuiel the Elf Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My house Posts: 12	NAZGUL SONG! It goes like this: A horse is a corpse, of course, of course! And I am the corpse that rides the horse. And with great force and no remorse I kill those Hobbits dead. I COMPLETLY made it up. And did NOT get it from Mad Magazine, of course! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatulûk Ash Nazg Gimbatul Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul ~Elfy

04-05-2002, 06:00 PM	#3
Daecuiel the Elf Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My house Posts: 12	I was joking, I got it from Mad Magazine! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatulûk Ash Nazg Gimbatul Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul ~Elfy

04-05-2002, 09:19 PM	#4
Airetalathwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Greenwood the Great Posts: 28	Haha, still funny though. Thanks for sharing.<P>~Airetalathwen __________________ I heard an old voice say~ "Don't go far from the land The seasons have their way~ No mortal can understand"

04-05-2002, 09:24 PM	#5
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	HA HA!! I LOVE IT! I love funny songs petaining to Tolkien. (Even if some are kinda mean.) ha ha j/k __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

04-05-2002, 10:40 PM	#6
Nazgûl Queen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 75	<center>Do not make fun of the nazgul Queen, or she will not kill thee in thy turn. She will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy mind shall be devoured and you shall bow down beofre her terrible might! __________________ - The Nazgûl they were; the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terribly servants; darkness went with them and they cried with the voices of death -

04-05-2002, 05:49 PM	#2
CelevonNîth Guest Posts: n/a	This is so funny! I love it. Really.

04-06-2002, 03:15 AM	#7
Bramblerose Gamgee-Took Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bywater Posts: 67	Lol, thats funny! Oh my! cowers behind a bush from Nazgul Queen

04-06-2002, 05:50 AM	#8
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	No need to cower Bramblerose, the Nazgul were men not women, as in 9 rings for mortal men doomed to die! __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

04-06-2002, 07:30 PM	#9
Daecuiel the Elf Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My house Posts: 12	You have a point there, Elrian! There is no Nazgùl Queen... But besides that it's not making fun of them. __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatulûk Ash Nazg Gimbatul Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul ~Elfy

04-07-2002, 08:39 AM	#10
Daecuiel the Elf Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My house Posts: 12	AH! NO! THE ACCENT WAS WRONG! bursts out in tears I'M NO LotR FAN IF I CAN'T EVEN GET THE ACCENT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! ERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatulûk Ash Nazg Gimbatul Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul ~Elfy

04-07-2002, 08:44 AM	#11
Daecuiel the Elf Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: My house Posts: 12	Well, yes, I'm a fan, but the accent was wrong in Nazgûl! cries some more WAAAAA!!!!!!!!! slaps herself I needed that. __________________ Ash Nazg Durbatulûk Ash Nazg Gimbatul Ash Nazg Thrakatulûk Agh Burzum-ishi Krimpatul ~Elfy

04-09-2002, 03:12 PM	#12
Nazgul Guest Posts: n/a	Translation in Nazgul for that don't understand (shreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek shraaaaack shrooooooooooooook)

04-09-2002, 03:24 PM	#13
Elven-Maiden Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 297	Oh, I have another one: <P>"We are Nazgul, my friend,<BR>and we'll keep on fighting till the end,<BR>For we are the Nazgul,<BR>We are the Nazgul,<BR>Oh the World"<P>(We are the Champion, Queen) __________________ Tout ce qui est or ne brille pas, Tous ceux qui errent ne sont pas perdus. Mobilis in Mobile

04-10-2002, 04:39 AM	#14
Nazgûl Queen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 75	<center>But where does it say that by MEN it means males? It could very well mean humans, because all humans are often refered to as "men" or "mankind"<P>And besides, who knows whether the historians were right? they wouldnt exactly go up to all the nazgul and do a survey of their genders! __________________ - The Nazgûl they were; the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terribly servants; darkness went with them and they cried with the voices of death -

04-10-2002, 05:45 PM	#15
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But where does it say that by MEN it means males? It could very well mean humans, because all humans are often refered to as "men" or "mankind" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In the Silmarillion it states: "Men proved easier to ensnare. Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, and warriors of old." Kings, sorcerers, and warriors are male in gender not female. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

04-10-2002, 06:02 PM	#16
Lossenavariel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Marish Posts: 17	MEN DOESN'T MEAN ONLY GUYS!!! wemon can be scorcers __________________ Lossenavariel

04-10-2002, 07:30 PM	#17
Thinhyandoiel Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 187	I thought a woman would be termed a Sorceress, not a Sorcerer. __________________ In gwidh ristennen, i fae narchannen I lach Anor ed ardhon gwannen Caled veleg, ethuiannen

04-10-2002, 11:24 PM	#18
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Women would be termed sorceress. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

04-10-2002, 11:47 PM	#19
KingCarlton Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dream Kingdom Posts: 119	I dare say that would be right, the race of men as it is in Middle Earth were considered as a whole of the males and females therein.<P>Cheers to all Nazgul Queens. Besides I find her blood red script ...er... intriguing.<P>A Nazgul queen...hm.. this warrants and investigation. <BR>Who will join me on this quest... a fellowship perhaps.<P>Help ! Help !<P>**********<P>Query : Do they still print those Idiotic books? <P>Know Peace<BR> __________________ Know ye People, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, And the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars. Hither came Carlton, the King, black haired, bronze hued, mightily thewed, sullen eyed. Sword in hand, a warrior, a destroyer, a conqueror. With gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jewelled thrones of the Earth, under his sandalled feet.

04-11-2002, 12:38 AM	#20
KingCarlton Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dream Kingdom Posts: 119	Kings, Sorcerers and Warriors are indeed men...but then females could take their places. One could club their genders as one.<P>For Kings there are Queens. A regal.<P>For Sorcerers there are Sorceress'. An arcane.<P>For Warriors there are ...women warriors? Amazons? A defender.<P>Think about this - Witches are female. We have Warlocks, but everytime it is mentioned, there is an explanation - Warlock, ie - male witch. And it doesn't go vice versa.<P>Haven't you heard -<BR>"He's a witch !"<BR>"What..how ?"<BR>"I mean a Warlock?"<BR>"What's that ? "<BR>"A male witch"<BR>"Oh !"<P>Have you ever heard -<BR>"She's a warlock !"<BR>"What..how ?"<BR>"I mean a Witch?"<BR>"What's that ? "<BR>"A female warlock"<BR>"Oh !"<P><BR>Maybe you shoudn't discriminate againts the females of the nazgul, Elrian. I did that last week against female Orcs and now I keep sensing rabid feminist orcs everywhere I go. Everywhere.<P>Jokes apart - sprites, dryads, naiads, gorgons, etc. are mostly potrayed as females, but there has to be males of their kind too.<P><BR>~Believes there should be more female characters in LOTR, why not the Nazgul~<P>Know Peace<P> __________________ Know ye People, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, And the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars. Hither came Carlton, the King, black haired, bronze hued, mightily thewed, sullen eyed. Sword in hand, a warrior, a destroyer, a conqueror. With gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jewelled thrones of the Earth, under his sandalled feet.

04-11-2002, 04:45 AM	#21
Nazgûl Queen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 75	<center>KingCarlton, you are correct!<P>Witches always refer to females...<BR>So If a male Nazgul is the WITCH King of Angmar, why can't a female be a sorcewror/warrior (genderless/king (and i KNOW Ive read a book wqith a female KING) __________________ - The Nazgûl they were; the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terribly servants; darkness went with them and they cried with the voices of death -

04-11-2002, 05:09 AM	#22
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	Nice to see I affected you like that King Carlton!<P>But the ringwraiths are clearly female. Let me explain:<P>1.They scream-what self-respecting man screams?<BR>2.They all wear the little black dress, the idea with which all females will be familiar.<BR>3.They ride horses-how many little boys do you know who desperately want a pony?<BR>4.They are all devoted to one man<P>I think that proves that all the Nazgul were female! __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

04-11-2002, 06:11 PM	#23
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	The Nazgul are clearly male according to the Sil. Witch-KING of Angmar is only a name given to the LORD of the Nazgul.<BR> <p>[ April 11, 2002: Message edited by: Elrian ] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

04-12-2002, 02:11 AM	#24
Nazgûl Queen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 75	<center>This is a very amusing debate, but I must agree with Elrian. The nazgul are definately all male. But that doesn't change the fact that I can pretend to be the queen of them... because everything's possible in Tolkien's world, and there's always the chance that the Historians didn't know their was a (or many) female nazgul.<P>Note to Nevtalathiel: I don't scream - never have and never will, and I'm a girl. __________________ - The Nazgûl they were; the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terribly servants; darkness went with them and they cried with the voices of death -

04-12-2002, 02:17 AM	#25
kingcarlton Guest Posts: n/a	And you should, Naz Queen.....<BR>Historians..what do they know.<P>Now if we could have some Orc and Uruk Hai Queens.<P>That would make my day.<P>And I didn't know that screaming was just a female thing. Duh !<P>Know Peace !

04-12-2002, 04:20 AM	#26
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	Someone seems to like the idea of female orcs all of a sudden, King Carlton!<P>And I don't meen that all girls scream, just that girls scream more than guys! __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

04-12-2002, 10:10 AM	#27
The Half-Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 51	I like the idea of female Nazgul. Wasn't the Silmarillion supposed to be translated from ancient elvish? Perhaps there was a mistake in translation, or whoever did the original translation DID'NT like the idea of female Nazgul...that would explain why they don't get mentioned. __________________ I'm your only friend. I'm not your only friend, But I'm a little glowing friend, But really I'm not actually your friend, But I am. -They Might Be Giants

04-12-2002, 01:45 PM	#28
Maikadilwen Summoner of Lost Souls Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: At home, with my Strongbow Posts: 521	Well, to all this male/female debating. "Three rings to the elven KINGS" But Galadriel was one of them. Hmmm, I wonder if Celeborn knows something we don't? And after being stabbed, it was said, that Frodo would become a ringwraith(Nazgûl) if he was not healed quickly. Nowhere mentioned that it couldn't have happened to a woman!!!! I LOOOOVE the Nazgûl. __________________ -"Death borders upon our birth, and our cradle stands in the grave. Our birth is nothing but our death begun."

04-23-2002, 03:42 PM	#29
NinjaFerret Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 31	You Decide:<P>The Nazgul were women:<BR>-They stopped and asked directions.<BR>-They were color coordinated (I'm afraid this applies to all women except me.)<BR>-They all had matching accessories; bridles, swords, etc.<P>The Nazgul were men:<BR>-Each and every one of them was fixated on getting one thing. The Ring. (What did you think I was going to say??? )<BR>-They had beards. <BR>-Never got those cloaks washed, no matter what they had ridden through. __________________ "An epitaph is a belated advertisement for a line of goods that have been permanently discontinued." - Irvin S. Cobb

04-24-2002, 04:59 AM	#30
Maikadilwen Summoner of Lost Souls Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: At home, with my Strongbow Posts: 521	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> -Each and every one of them was fixated on getting one thing. The Ring. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm afraid that suits a lot of women as well. So Sauron just had 9 women in his harem. __________________ -"Death borders upon our birth, and our cradle stands in the grave. Our birth is nothing but our death begun."

04-24-2002, 11:44 AM	#31
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	They were women:<BR>-They went chasing after jewelry<BR>-They had horses (or should I say ponies) which I'm sure they loved dearly<BR>-They chased the hobbits and the fellowship, a large group of attractive males (maybe the ring thing was all a misunderstanding!) __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

04-24-2002, 05:05 PM	#32
NinjaFerret Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 31	I keep thinking about Monty Python's Flying Circus' "Hell's Grannies" sketch. Something about the long trailing black cloaks... I can almost hear them evilly cackling. <P>Just saying that made me feel very happy. I am beginning to believe that they are women. I dig the whole ring misunderstanding. But if they were indeed Sauron's harem of nine, what was the problem? Why did they leave to chase the men of the fellowship?<P>And the beards... I can't think of a good explanation, and it bothers me to think about women with beards like that. <P>Heh. <P>May your luck esceed the stench of your oxters. __________________ "An epitaph is a belated advertisement for a line of goods that have been permanently discontinued." - Irvin S. Cobb

04-24-2002, 05:33 PM	#33
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Well: the Nazgul, I am sure, were <I>supposed</I> to be all male (old kings), but...a Nazgul Queen would not be so great. This is how it would be:<BR><UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>They would be so much more LOGICAL: they certainly would have caught Frodo (they would not just go wandering, they would stop, dismount, and say "Excuse me, but...did you see a hobbit and some companions go by?", find someone who knew, then catch the hobbits...not good for the story<LI>They might or might not be color coordinated, but that's okay!<LI>They probably either would have gotten ensnared with the ring's power sooner OR not at all: either they would say "ooooo! A ring! Goodie!" or they would have said "Ummm...something's fishy here..."<LI>It would be more PC today (even though we women would have a worse name because of it )</UL>Well: the novel would certainly have been <I>interesting</I> if there were female Nazgul. Hmmm: we should write a fanfic, where it turns out that one of the nine is a female...sort of like an account of her life and what happened...hmmm...I may do that if I run out of ideas for fanfics... __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

04-25-2002, 12:56 PM	#34
nevtalathiel Guest Posts: n/a	NinjaFerret, maybe they were bearded circus ladies, a fetish of Sauron's and maybe he didn't treat them as welll as they felt they deserved and thought the guys in the fellowship were nicer???

04-26-2002, 01:39 AM	#35
Nazgûl Queen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 75	<center>I STILL think that the whole beard thing was a misinterpretation of the historical records. __________________ - The Nazgûl they were; the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terribly servants; darkness went with them and they cried with the voices of death -