Unfinnished Tales - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Maltagaerion · 01-22-2002, 08:32 PM

Well after all these years of reading The Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and the Silmarillion (just twice though, the second time I used the Atlas of Middle Earth as a companion book) I FINALLY found a nice harcover version of Unfinnished Tales. Now I can delve a little deeper into the lore of Middle Earth. Wish me luck! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Telchar · 01-23-2002, 02:26 AM

When you first read the LOTR and then read the SILM, the SILM makes you go: 'ohh so that why...' 'ohh and that explains...' and ' My, why didn't I think of that?'.
Unfinished Tales has much the same effect on SILM when you read it afterwards. I do wish you luck and I do envy you - you are going to a cool place for the first time [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Fenrir · 01-23-2002, 11:47 AM

My favourite section is "The Hunt for the Ring."

Thingol · 01-23-2002, 01:59 PM

I liked the Druadan/Pukel men section of UF, its been too long since I've read that book. Its really a shame the end to the Fall of Gondolin isn't written, the begining from the UT is awsome.

**lindil** · 01-23-2002, 02:28 PM

Thingol : "its really a shame the end to the Fall of Gondolin isn't
written,"

lindil: tell that to the 'translations from the Elvish' project members!!

Telchar is quite right though in encouraging your forst UT read Maltagaerion.
I some ways i enjoy the side paths and elaborations such as the Narn and palantir and Istari and such- more than the 'Quenta Silm' [i.e. shortned and official versions of CRT's Silm].

If you enjoy UT then ypu will also love the omitted UT like material in Morgoth's Ring, War of the Jewels and Peoples of Middle -Earth - all of which is Tolkiens later Silm work from which UT was drawn - not too mention the awesome essay 'Osanwe-Kenta' available from the journal Vinyar Tengwar.

all of the above [inc. UT] which we hope to include in a full length 'translations from the Elvish' is, I feel JRRT's best and most mature work , surpassing the LotR in terms of writing and beauty, and that's something.

btw I too love reading Silm and UT in the old HB [dark and olive green respectively] it adds much to the experience compared to the hardbackds.

Enjoy-

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Thingol · 01-23-2002, 02:40 PM

lindil, are you guys actually going to write in narrative form, like Tolkien wrote about the journey of Tuor, or are you just writing a summary, similiar to how the fall of Gondolin appears in the Silm (With more info of coarse)? I've said it before, but I'll say it again, you all really know your stuff in there [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I keep meaning to read the HoME series, I've read Morgoth's Ring, but I've been busy lately with colleges and midterms and I don't want to buy the 3 volume addition off Amazon for 100 bucks a volume.

**lindil** · 01-23-2002, 03:03 PM

Thingol asked:are you guys actually going to write in narrative form, like Tolkien
wrote about the journey of Tuor, or are you just writing a summary, similiar
to how the fall of Gondolin appears in the Silm (With more info of coarse)?

The goal is to incorporate all of the omitted/unfinished / newly discovered /archaic, etc material available in HoME/UT/VT etc. w/ an absolute minimum of editing, and no real 'creative writing' or fan-fictionalizing as we call it. So that in some sense it will be as legitamate as CRt's [except we are not literary executor's and/or sons ] but will include everything possible where as CRT put in his Silm pretty much the bare minimum.
The going is very slow becuause the issues are very convoluted and difficult and there are a number of legitamete ways to approach the material and each member represents one of them!

Thingol: I don't want to buy the 3 volume addition off Amazon for 100 bucks a volume.
Lindil: don't blame you , tr6y the many used bookstores in NY [?] and you will eventually see all of hoME in HB - be sure to check literature sections and not just sci-fi/fantasy. I usually see them for 10-15 $ each. And feel free to pick me up a spare HB lays of Beleriand , the only non LotR HoME vol. I am missing!

lindil

01-22-2002, 08:32 PM	#1
Maltagaerion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 60	Unfinnished Tales Well after all these years of reading The Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and the Silmarillion (just twice though, the second time I used the Atlas of Middle Earth as a companion book) I FINALLY found a nice harcover version of Unfinnished Tales. Now I can delve a little deeper into the lore of Middle Earth. Wish me luck! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Friends don't let friends drink Starbucks

01-23-2002, 02:26 AM	#2
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	When you first read the LOTR and then read the SILM, the SILM makes you go: 'ohh so that why...' 'ohh and that explains...' and ' My, why didn't I think of that?'. Unfinished Tales has much the same effect on SILM when you read it afterwards. I do wish you luck and I do envy you - you are going to a cool place for the first time [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

01-23-2002, 11:47 AM	#3
Fenrir Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nevrast Posts: 103	My favourite section is "The Hunt for the Ring." __________________ Fearlessness is better than a faint-heart for any man who puts his nose out of doors. The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.

01-23-2002, 01:59 PM	#4
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	I liked the Druadan/Pukel men section of UF, its been too long since I've read that book. Its really a shame the end to the Fall of Gondolin isn't written, the begining from the UT is awsome. __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-23-2002, 02:28 PM	#5
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Thingol : "its really a shame the end to the Fall of Gondolin isn't written," lindil: tell that to the 'translations from the Elvish' project members!! Telchar is quite right though in encouraging your forst UT read Maltagaerion. I some ways i enjoy the side paths and elaborations such as the Narn and palantir and Istari and such- more than the 'Quenta Silm' [i.e. shortned and official versions of CRT's Silm]. If you enjoy UT then ypu will also love the omitted UT like material in Morgoth's Ring, War of the Jewels and Peoples of Middle -Earth - all of which is Tolkiens later Silm work from which UT was drawn - not too mention the awesome essay 'Osanwe-Kenta' available from the journal Vinyar Tengwar. all of the above [inc. UT] which we hope to include in a full length 'translations from the Elvish' is, I feel JRRT's best and most mature work , surpassing the LotR in terms of writing and beauty, and that's something. btw I too love reading Silm and UT in the old HB [dark and olive green respectively] it adds much to the experience compared to the hardbackds. Enjoy- This info-mercial brought to you by: lindil co-moderator of the New Silm. project and the entire New Silm team [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

01-23-2002, 02:40 PM	#6
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	lindil, are you guys actually going to write in narrative form, like Tolkien wrote about the journey of Tuor, or are you just writing a summary, similiar to how the fall of Gondolin appears in the Silm (With more info of coarse)? I've said it before, but I'll say it again, you all really know your stuff in there [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I keep meaning to read the HoME series, I've read Morgoth's Ring, but I've been busy lately with colleges and midterms and I don't want to buy the 3 volume addition off Amazon for 100 bucks a volume. __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-23-2002, 03:03 PM	#7
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Thingol asked:are you guys actually going to write in narrative form, like Tolkien wrote about the journey of Tuor, or are you just writing a summary, similiar to how the fall of Gondolin appears in the Silm (With more info of coarse)? The goal is to incorporate all of the omitted/unfinished / newly discovered /archaic, etc material available in HoME/UT/VT etc. w/ an absolute minimum of editing, and no real 'creative writing' or fan-fictionalizing as we call it. So that in some sense it will be as legitamate as CRt's [except we are not literary executor's and/or sons ] but will include everything possible where as CRT put in his Silm pretty much the bare minimum. The going is very slow becuause the issues are very convoluted and difficult and there are a number of legitamete ways to approach the material and each member represents one of them! Thingol: I don't want to buy the 3 volume addition off Amazon for 100 bucks a volume. Lindil: don't blame you , tr6y the many used bookstores in NY [?] and you will eventually see all of hoME in HB - be sure to check literature sections and not just sci-fi/fantasy. I usually see them for 10-15 $ each. And feel free to pick me up a spare HB lays of Beleriand , the only non LotR HoME vol. I am missing! lindil __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.