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12-11-2000, 04:01 AM | #1 |
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Giats in the Hobbit
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit
Posts: 68</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> i don't really remember this, but i was looking through some old posts and someone said something about giants being in the Hobbit. what is that about, is that wrong, or were there? where did they come from and were they evil? pardon me, but i am a little rusty on the Hobbit. any thoughts would be helpful. </p> |
12-11-2000, 04:04 AM | #2 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit
Posts: 69</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giants in the Hobbit giants, not giats, but all of you probably realize that. </p> |
12-11-2000, 04:05 PM | #3 |
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Posts: 78</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giats in the Hobbit I too always wondered about this. Perhaps Giants are some kind of super-troll. However, this seems unlikely, especially as I remember Gandalf talking about trying to find 'a more or less decent giant' or something. I suspect that Giants are just one of those things in The Hobbit that don't quite fit in with the rest of Middle Earth. A bit like Beorn, really. Certainly I have never heard Giants mentioned anywhere else in Tolkien's works. If anyone has, please tell me where. -Voronwë "voyaging the Dark behind the world, a glimmering and fugitive star."</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000143>Voronwe</A> at: 12/11/00 5:06:27 pm
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12-11-2000, 04:42 PM | #4 |
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Posts: 279</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giats in the Hobbit Book of Lost Tales. Entries: Nan and Gilim. The only two giants known by name I believe. In BoLT there is a descriptive comparison of the giant Nan as being like an elm. I mentioned previously about the origins of the Ettenmoors as the original location for the Entish lands. The postulation was not without some semblance of substance; as to Giants being originally created as Ents. I even mentioned the similarity of ent and giant (gi-ent; see also etten). After the creation of Ents, the giants seem to have vanished. </p> |
12-11-2000, 05:26 PM | #5 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit
Posts: 72</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giants in the Hobbit i also remember something in the beginning of LotR. Tolkien said something about giants in the beginning of the fellowship. i am not sure, but were they entwives or were they actually giants </p> |
12-11-2000, 06:50 PM | #6 |
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Posts: 553</TD><TD><img src=http://www.geocities.com/gwindlord/eagle.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giants in the Hobbit The description Sam gave was 'a giant, a walking-tree, up away beyond the water'. I'm guessing Entwife; though that may just be because I've always felt sorry for the Ents and hoped that the Entwives could be found in Eriador. Gwaihir the Windlord http://www.barrowdowns.comthe barrow-downs</A> <FONT size="2.5">'Sing now, ye people of the Tower of Anor, for the Realm of Sauron is ended for ever, and the Dark Tower is thrown down.' </p> |
12-12-2000, 03:59 AM | #7 |
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Posts: 27</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giants in the Hobbit No giants in the Hobbit but after they got throught the mountains, Gandald said he neede to get a decent giant to block uo that entrance. Otherwise I don't remember them being mentioned anywhere in Middle-earth. Not all those who wander are lost.</p> |
12-12-2000, 08:31 AM | #8 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm
Posts: 379</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Giants in the Hobbit During the crossing of the Misty Mountains, Bilbo and the dwarves are drenched by a thunderstorm. During the storm, JRRT mentions that the "Stone Giants" are out, tossing boulders at each other and on the mountains. Someone worried about being picked up by a giant and being "kicked for a football" if I recall. This is a little piece of the Hobbit which doesn't fit with LoTR. As Saulotus commented, giants were present in early conceptions of Middle Earth. The reference to giants can be "explained" through Bilbo's inexperience with the world. If you want to "make it fit", you can assume that the company saw mountain or stone trolls and Bilbo, not knowing what they were, called them "giants" in the Red Book. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>
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12-12-2000, 07:21 PM | #9 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton
Posts: 29</TD><TD><img src=http://www.facelink.com/edit/raw/rawimage/50/1315350.jpg?flezbwidth=60&flezbheight=60?flezbwidt h=60&flezbheight=60?flezbwidth=60&flezbheight=60?f lezbwidth=60&flezbheight=60?flezbwidth=60&flezbhei ght=60 WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giants in the Hobbit Could've been Hill-trolls out for the night. They certainly fit the description of "giant". As to the "more or less decent giant" that Gandalf needed to block up the Goblin-cave, probably an Ent. Both are giant-size creatures, with immense strength. Tall ships and tall kings Three times three, What brought they from the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones And one white tree. .</br> Administrator @ <a href=http://pub6.ezboard.com/bthegrandadmiralsforums>The Grand Admirals Forums</a>, <a href=http://pub10.ezboard.com/bb5techforums>The Grey Council Forums</a>, <a href=http://pub9.ezboard.com/bechostation12>The McClain Council</a> and <a href=http://pub14.ezboard.com/bthegrandmoffsforums>The Grand Moff's Forums</a>.</br> </p> |
12-13-2000, 02:08 AM | #10 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit
Posts: 78</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giants in the Hobbit But wouldn't have Bilbo realized this since his run in with the Stone Trolls. I don't think hill and stone trolls look that much different. Plus it was Gandalf that said this. So it would be relative to Bilbo's size. Another thing to ask, do giants not come up anywhere HoME? </p> |
12-13-2000, 03:24 AM | #11 |
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Posts: 28</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Giants in the Hobbit Gandalf was perhaps referring to ents as giants since he knew the term would confuse and befuddle the not-so-knowledgable dwarves and the hobbit. As for Bilbo, he probably referred to the stone trolls as giants, not in the creature sense, but in the 'oh that's massive' sense. As in-that wrestler is a giant. Ooooh...am I very incoherent? Not all those who wander are lost.</p> |
12-13-2000, 04:37 AM | #12 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight
Posts: 129</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> giants Here we are, finding reasons about why Gandalf mentioned Giants in the hobbit. Tolkien wrote the hobbit first, and then linked it to his other first-Age stories, if I recall correctly. I suppose tolkien abandoned the giant idea after he wrote lotr, but forgot to change it in a revised edition. After all, only two sentences mention the giants. </p> |
12-13-2000, 10:12 AM | #13 |
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Posts: 80</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: giants you changed your name back? </p> |
12-13-2000, 05:28 PM | #14 |
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Posts: 25</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Thorin quote Personly I think that Thorin would know the difference. And he said, in the incident which Mithadan mentioned, I quote "This won't do at all!" said Thorin "If we don't get blown off, or drowned, or struck by lighning, we shall be picked up by some giant and kick sky-high for a football." </p> |
12-13-2000, 07:55 PM | #15 |
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Posts: 1631</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thorin quote But remember that the words spoken by Thorin (and everyone in the story) were written as recalled (or made up) by Bilbo. The Barrow-Wight (RKittle) <font size="2">I usually haunt http://www.barrowdowns.comThe Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgiMiddle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>
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12-14-2000, 08:47 AM | #16 |
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Posts: 32</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thorin quote I think Quam is quite right. When Tolkien wrote the revised edition he probably forgot to tie up that loose end. Not all those who wander are lost.</p> |
12-15-2000, 08:33 AM | #17 |
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Posts: 8</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thorin quote somehow, that day glornan didn't really work(dunno why). now it does, as you can see<img src=smile.gif ALT=""> (used to be Quam, but thought of a nicer, more Tolkien, name) </p> |
12-15-2000, 01:10 PM | #18 |
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Posts: 53</TD><TD><img src=http://www.earlyng.homestead.com/files/raven.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thorin quote A very good topic... Giants are mentioned in the Hobbit, but nowhere else (except for the Lost Tales). No word of their creation in the Sil... "...I do envy the sinners." <font size=-1>Creator of <A HREF=http://pub22.ezboard.com/belvenhome>Elvenhome</A>, a fantasy forum and part of the<A HREF=http://pub20.ezboard.com/badvertisehere>Tolkien EZBoard Network</A>. Also a strong supporter of <A HREF=http://pub26.ezboard.com/bmithlond>Mithlond</A>, a Middle-Earth RPG forum.</font size=-1> </p> |
12-16-2000, 06:47 AM | #19 |
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Posts: 33</TD><TD><img src=http://www.facelink.com/edit/raw/rawimage/50/1315350.jpg?flezbwidth=60&flezbheight=60?flezbwidt h=60&flezbheight=60?flezbwidth=60&flezbheight=60?f lezbwidth=60&flezbheight=60?flezbwidth=60&flezbhei ght=60 WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Thorin quote <blockquote>Quote:<hr> But wouldn't have Bilbo realized this since his run in with the Stone Trolls. I don't think hill and stone trolls look that much different. Plus it was Gandalf that said this. So it would be relative to Bilbo's size. Another thing to ask, do giants not come up anywhere HoME?<hr></blockquote> Still, it was night time in a storm. And Trolls are around 14 feet tall. That size, at night in a storm would be aptly called a giant. Tall ships and tall kings Three times three, What brought they from the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones And one white tree. .</br> Administrator @ <a href=http://pub6.ezboard.com/bthegrandadmiralsforums>The Grand Admirals Forums</a>, <a href=http://pub10.ezboard.com/bb5techforums>The Grey Council Forums</a>, <a href=http://pub9.ezboard.com/bechostation12>The McClain Council</a> and <a href=http://pub14.ezboard.com/bthegrandmoffsforums>The Grand Moff's Forums</a>.</br> </p> |
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Posts: 198</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Gwaihirs comment on entwives Gwaihir you said that the "giants like walking trees" in the description of Sam in the FotR" could be Entwives. i often wondered about Sam's description and I too thought that it could be an entwife until i read the part of Treebeards tale of the entwives again. entwives didnt look like ents, they were bent and brown and had red faces and turned their thoughts to fruit and not to trees, so i guess they were quite different from Ents. mabye this Giant in Sam's tale could have been an Ent looking for the entwives, but i guess thats not very likely because if not even Treebeard did know were the Shire was, how should the other ents? </p>
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