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12-24-2001, 02:43 AM
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Question:
I don't have the book in front of me, so I apoloize for a mis-quote.
Gandalf said on the bridge in Moria "I have the fire of Arwen inside me," why did he say that? |
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12-24-2001, 05:42 AM
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i think he said,"You cannot pass.I am a servant of the Secret Fire,wielder of the flame of Anor.You cannot pass.The dark fire will not avail you,Flame of Udun.Go back to the Shadow.You cannot pass."
i dun think he has the fire of Arwen in him.Aragorn is more likely to have the fire of arwen in him.
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12-24-2001, 08:10 AM
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slime-ranaa is correct. Gandalf didn#t say anything about Arwen [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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12-24-2001, 03:40 PM
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I need to go read that part again, but I am away from home and the book. :-(
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12-25-2001, 07:12 AM
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to answer ur question,Gandalf is the owner of one of the three elven rings.I forgot it's name but i know it'e the ring of fire.My guess is that that's what Gandalf meant.
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12-25-2001, 06:23 PM
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As a matter of fact I was never quite sure what Gandalf meant by those words on the Bridge. He says he's a "Servant of the secret fire" and "wielder of the flame of Anor".
The 'Secret Fire' is certainly mentined in the Ainulindale, and appears to be equivilent to the "Imperishable Flame". If I understand correctly, the Secret Fire is Iluvatar's creative activity - the thing which gives being to His creation. So in that case, assuming that 'Secret Fire' means the same in both places, Gandalf's first statement would be saying that he is a servant of Eru. I am not sure what the second statement refers to. 'Anor' means the Sun, so he is basically saying he is the wielder of the flame of the sun, whatever that means. Is he refering to Narya? Or to something else entirely? -Voronwe.
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