![]() |
![]() |
Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page |
![]() |
#1 |
Hostess of Spirits
|
![]()
Well, the title is sort of self explanatory. I have seem this phrase on some merchandise online & I was wondering what is really referred to.
My friend told me that when The Two Towers was written it was a long time before Return of the King was released, but people who read the second book spray painted this on walls, busses, etc, because they were so excited about the ending of the book & wanted the third one. I don't know if this is true, I was wondering if anyone could help me out. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Spirit of the Lonely Star
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 5,133
![]() |
![]()
Hi Tigerlily! I've never heard that explanation before.
As far as I know, the phrase orginated in the sixties with the generation that first went in for Tolkien in a big way. College students used the term "Frodo Lives" to express the hope that the dreams and ideals Frodo stood for were still alive and well...that the earth would be cleansed, that there would be peace, that our lives and imaginations would be returned to us instead of controlled by coporations and governments. You saw these words on bumper stickers and also on grafitti. There was another thread discussing this--"Does Frodo live?" (I think it's on page two of Books II) I haven't heard the meaning you mentioned Perhaps someone else has, or it may be a misunderstanding. sharon, the 7th age hobbit
__________________
Multitasking women are never too busy to vote. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Hostess of Spirits
|
![]()
Thank you so much! That is actually quite inspiring [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Wight
|
![]()
I'm a second generation Tolkienite, but according to my father, one of the most uplifting times of his life (oddly enough) was one day he was wandering in and around some tunnels near Simon Frasier University and saw "Frodo Lives!" spraypainted all over the wall . . .in English and Sindarin.
I thought that was neat.
__________________
"I once spent two weeks in a tree trying to talk to a bird." --Puck, Brother Mine si man i yulma nin equantuva? [my blog] |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Ghastly Neekerbreeker
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto
Posts: 1,751
![]() |
![]()
I remember having the 1975 Ballantine Map of Middle Earth hanging in my dorm room, (wish I had that thing now. It was beautiful.) Along with "Frodo Lives", there were "Frodo for President" bumper stickers, and my favorite button, "I Grok Frodo".
Now, do any of you science fiction fans out there remember the origin of the word "Grok"? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Hostess of Spirits
|
![]()
Wow, those are some really great stories. It's too bad you don't see stuff like that anymore.
Birdland - I don't know the origin of "Grok", though I am interested to know. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Ghastly Neekerbreeker
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto
Posts: 1,751
![]() |
![]()
Oh, OK, Tigerlily. You twisted my arm. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
grok /grok/, var. /grok/ vt. [common; from the novel "Stranger in a Strange Land", by Robert A. Heinlein, where it is a Martian word meaning literally `to drink' and metaphorically `to be one with'] The emphatic form is `grok in fullness'. 1. To understand. Connotes intimate and exhaustive knowledge. When you claim to `grok' some knowledge or technique, you are asserting that you have not merely learned it in a detached instrumental way but that it has become part of you, part of your identity. "Stranger in a Strange Land" was a hugely popular novel during the 60's as well, and "grok" was a word that was picked up, (in a humorous vein) by the college kids of the day. Another favorite button was "I Grok Spock". |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Haunting Spirit
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Bywater
Posts: 67
![]() |
![]()
Now that would be decent grafiti worth seeing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Itinerant Songster
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Edge of Faerie
Posts: 7,066
![]() ![]() |
![]()
I laughed when I saw your title, Birdland. I know I've seen the word Neekerbreeker before, but I forget where. Where is that from?
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
Ghastly Neekerbreeker
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto
Posts: 1,751
![]() |
![]()
Littlemanpoet! I'm shocked! I thought you knew your Tolkien better than that! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Of course, it is an obscure part of the book. The Neekerbreekers were the "evil relatives of the cricket" whose cry of neek-breek neek-breek drove everyone to distraction when the camped in the Midgewater Marshes. It was Sam, of course, who called them Neekerbreekers. I thought it was a good metaphor for my usual contribution to the Downs. "There goes Birdie, Neek-Breekin' again." |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Desultory Dwimmerlaik
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat.....
Posts: 7,779
![]() |
![]()
GROK
Oh my, that does take me back!
__________________
Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
Hostess of Spirits
|
![]()
Thank you, Birdland, that is very interesting!
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 |
Wight
|
![]()
Thanks to "Frodo Lives!" and "I Grok Frodo" I was treated to several hours of 70's LotR nostalgia. It was fascinating.
__________________
"I once spent two weeks in a tree trying to talk to a bird." --Puck, Brother Mine si man i yulma nin equantuva? [my blog] |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Spirit of the Lonely Star
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 5,133
![]() |
![]()
Birdland --
Oh, yeah, NOW I remember Grok and Heinlen. Boy, do I remember Heinlen. Everybody around me was crazy about him. I think I blocked it out because I was less crazy! By the way, on my dorm walls, I had the psychedelic picture from the cover of the three Ballentine paperback editions of LotR in the late 60s. Is that the same one you meant? (the one Tolkien said he hated!) sharon, the 7th age hobbit [ May 31, 2002: Message edited by: Child of the 7th Age ]
__________________
Multitasking women are never too busy to vote. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 |
Ghastly Neekerbreeker
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto
Posts: 1,751
![]() |
![]()
Child - No, this was a poster of the cover art from the big, white Ballantine box set. It showed Tolkien's map of Middle Earth, with the Nine Walkers (including Bill), at the top. At the bottom were the Nine Black Riders in pursuit.
I actually saw that poster on e-Bay last year, complete with thumb tack holes. Someone's mom had rolled it up and stuck it in a closet for thirty years. I was sorely tempted, but I let the poster (and my lost youth,) go to some other bidder. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|
![]() |