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I was reading this most interesting discussion about the "High Kings" of the Noldor, and the subject of canonicity of the Shibboleth of Fëanor came up.
There appear to be certain "contradictions" in the Shibboleth that go against those in the Silmarillion and in Morgoth's Ring. Examples are: Quote:
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and the Later Quenta Silmarillion in Morgoth's Ring. The second, uses the new word "chieftain" which i believe is absent in the Silmarillion and the Later Quenta. What I find contradictory is that why would Fingolfin said that Fëanor would lead and he would follow him, and then pursued the kingship of the Noldor. I wonder, is the Shibboleth can be regarded as the author's last view on this or it's something entirely different. Or was it entirely a historical phonology essay? If it turns to be of real canonical value, then must the Sil be adapted to conform to these changes.
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See the thread 'Kings of the Noldor and Canon' for the answer to your second 'contradiction' (which is not a contradiction).
Chieftain is used in Sil. See for example the first paragraph in Chapter 14. The Miriel story is a change. [ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: Tar Elenion ]
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As for the Miriel Story , I would be inclined to keep it.
as it is a [ I believe] Tolkien's last word on the subject and off the top of my head I don't see it clashing greatly . There are throughout the last 3 HoME volumes many little advancements and modifications of the 77/2001 Silm. In general our principles state to go w/ this as long as it does not turn over the whole cart of Apples [ as does say Myth's Transformed's Sun and Moon changes.] Although Saluotus is probably sensing my post in his sleep and concocting a new alias to post a rebut too me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] . I have myself given a little thought to extending the revision principle clear through the LotR to reinclude the King's letter and whateve JRRT eliminated due to space problems and ... here is the biggee, although I must underline it is purely my idea and not a group one. Alter Celeborn's history to co-incide w/ Shibboleth. Although Now that i think past the parentage, there is a much thornier issue of why he would stay if he was originally a Valinorean Elf. So it probably is intractable. but ...
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like, yeppers dude
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