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11-19-2003, 12:22 PM | #1 |
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Concerning Isildur and Sauruman
According to the appendix in LOTR Sauruman found the body of Isildur somewhere along the river and took the elenilmer from him along with the wallet and chain that Isildur wore. However Sauruman does not show up on Middle Earth until much much later. I know it isn't till at least hundreds of years later. Question is this. If Sauruman supposedly found the body of Isildur that many years later, how much of it was left, also this meant that presumeably Sauruman found it when he became Warden of Isengard otherwise he would have been evil much before it is guessed when Gandalf meets him after a council meeting and Sauruman first shows some hostility towards Gandalf. I just kind of want some other thoughts on this.
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11-19-2003, 01:24 PM | #2 |
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Well.. in the UT it says that no one has seen the body including Saruman, but that the Elendilmir was not taken away by the water. Otherwise you are right the Istari landed around 1000 T.E.
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11-19-2003, 01:28 PM | #3 |
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It does however mention Sauruman as finding it and says something along the lines of "who knows what he did with the body" or something like that I don't have it in from of me but it alludes to the fact that Sauruman did something with it.
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The passage continues (and fully explains what happened, I think)... Quote:
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11-19-2003, 02:39 PM | #5 |
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Yes that were the passages, but I dont have the UT in English so didnt know what to post. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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11-21-2003, 07:57 AM | #6 |
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Thank you Legolas, yes I knew of the passage in the UT but I guess my point is this, those bones must have been rotting for a long time and it seems hard to believe that after a thousand years the Elindimer and the chain could just simply be found after at least a thousand years among the reeds and vegatation. It seems more likely to me that after that many years it would be buried deep in the earth by then and I don't think Sauruman had any metal detectors. A more likely although not supported in any other way than probability is that someone else found the treasures and were either taken or given to Sauruman.
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It does however seem plausible that the elements would have had their way with all but non-corrosive/decaying metal. Of course the ring being in the reeds 2.5 thousand[?] years later is pretty odd too.
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11-21-2003, 11:11 AM | #8 |
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Is there a specific answer to what Saruman's worst deed was?
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11-21-2003, 04:16 PM | #9 |
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The possibility that Saruman had blended the races of orcs and men was described as 'a black evil', I think by one of Aragorn's party.
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11-21-2003, 06:05 PM | #10 |
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Of course the fact that Saruman was a traitor was in itself a dark deed
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11-21-2003, 08:52 PM | #11 |
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Falling with war and vile destruction upon his friends, is worse than throwing out a few old bones.
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