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the mortal elf · 12-29-2002, 06:57 PM

I'm really sorry if this is already being discussed and I'm just too simpleminded to pick it up. I just finished watching TTT for the 5th time the other day, and something dawned on me when Arwen was leaving Rivendell with the other elves. Is she really going to the havens? Or is she actually going to Lothlorien? I'm wondering because Elrond looks so heartbroken. You'd think if she was going to the undying lands, he'd be just a bit happier. This would also give Arwen her stunning chance to give Aragorn Narsil/Anduril if she shows up in RoTK before the end.I realize that the answer to this might be in the books, but I haven't read them for a year, so cut me a break .

Manwe Sulimo · 12-29-2002, 07:01 PM

I saw a picture of her in Lórien with Galadriel brushing her hair....I can see her stealing a horse and striking out for Minas Tirith. Although she'd probably have to steal Andúril, too.Or maybe...oooh.Idea: Halbarad, Elrohir, and Elladan will bring Andúril with them when they show up in RotK and Arwen won't do anything she's not supposed to (again)!

the mortal elf · 12-29-2002, 07:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Idea: Halbarad, Elrohir, and Elladan will bring Andúril with them when they show up in RotK and Arwen won't do anything she's not supposed to (again)! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Heh. Heh. Heh. We wish. I would like to see the twins, though.

PippinSqueak · 12-29-2002, 07:58 PM

I think she goes to Lothlorien because they have pictures of her there with Galadriel. Also, i have heard from other people that she doesn't really go to the havens.

12-30-2002, 11:11 AM

I think she's supposed to be going to the Havens, cause she looks heartbroken. Maybe Elrond looked so sad because he knew how much she loved Aragorn and yet wants her to go to the Havens so that she won't be alone when Aragorn dies. Remember the section where he's trying to convince her to go and tells her of how if she stays behind Aragorn will die, and she will live forever with the memory of it. That was his arguement for her to got to the Havens in the first place, which would explain why he looks so sad- cause it's not what she wants.

Ithaeliel · 12-30-2002, 11:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think she goes to Lothlorien because they have pictures of her there with Galadriel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They also have pictures of her at Helm's Deep. Sometimes pictures don't prove much, but you can rest assured knowing she will end up in Minas Tirith. PJ would NOT change the story that much. Everyone would be really upset (including non-Tolkienites). Though I think she may well go to Lothlorien.

Gorwingel · 12-30-2002, 12:10 PM

That is interesting, I never thought of that. I think that she was heading to the havens because it was all in Aragorns dream (I think), and so he was thinking about the worst possible result.

Arathiriel · 12-30-2002, 03:08 PM

As I just said in another thread I believe Arwen goes to Lothlòrien after she leaves Rivendell because if she actually leaves for Valinor then they would have changed the storyline too much and I for one would be ticked as I am a big fan of Aragorn and Arwen's story!So I say she goes to Lothlòrien...

Elven Mistress · 12-30-2002, 03:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ would NOT change the story that much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>One comment: Look what he did to FaramirHe COULD change the story that much...

Arathiriel · 12-30-2002, 03:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>One comment: Look what he did to FaramirHe COULD change the story that much... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well unlike some of you cynics around here I am going to trust PJ not to go that far and change a major part of who Aragorn is by having Arwen leave for the Valinor...And yes, while I didn't care for how Faramir was changed, I still loved TTT...

the mortal elf · 12-30-2002, 07:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> They also have pictures of her at Helm's Deep. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sometimes pictures don't match up, you're right. But according to another thread that's hanging around here, the special edition might have some footage with Arwen in Helm's Deep! I trust PJ most of the time, but...

Beruthiel · 12-30-2002, 08:43 PM

Where are these pictures exactly?? I think that she was heading to Lothlorien because if she left then what? where would Aragorn be without her? But what I STILL don't understand is, when is all that stuff with Arwen and Aragorn going on?? First its in a dream, then he tells her to leave and all that stuff. Was that in his dream too? *very confused*

the mortal elf · 12-30-2002, 08:47 PM

I think the first two scenes with the kissing and the leaving of Aragorn were both flashbacks, because Aragorn seemed to be awake. The third one with Arwen and Elrond might just be a scene back in Rivendell. Aragorn might not know about it at all. It was just a strategic spot to put it in. Now I'm confusing myself...

doug*platypus · 01-01-2003, 07:33 AM

Romance fans, fear not! The whole point of enlarging Arwen's role is to have the kissy-kissy Hollywood stuff (not that I'm against it); I hardly think anyone's sending her to the Havens. If you're worried that she's leaving, PJ has already got you under his spell! I have a feeling that this is the kind of story where true love wins. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I saw a picture of her in Lórien with Galadriel brushing her hair.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, no, more wasted screen time. Poor Shelob. Poor Scouring of the Shire. Poor audience...

12-29-2002, 06:57 PM	#1
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	Revelation I'm really sorry if this is already being discussed and I'm just too simpleminded to pick it up. <P>I just finished watching TTT for the 5th time the other day, and something dawned on me when Arwen was leaving Rivendell with the other elves. Is she really going to the havens? Or is she actually going to Lothlorien? I'm wondering because Elrond looks so heartbroken. You'd think if she was going to the undying lands, he'd be just a bit happier. This would also give Arwen her stunning chance to give Aragorn Narsil/Anduril if she shows up in RoTK before the end.<P>I realize that the answer to this might be in the books, but I haven't read them for a year, so cut me a break . __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-29-2002, 07:01 PM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	I saw a picture of her in Lórien with Galadriel brushing her hair....<P>I can see her stealing a horse and striking out for Minas Tirith. Although she'd probably have to steal Andúril, too.<P>Or maybe...oooh.<P>Idea: Halbarad, Elrohir, and Elladan will bring Andúril with them when they show up in RotK and Arwen won't do anything she's not supposed to (again)! __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-29-2002, 07:04 PM	#3
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Idea: Halbarad, Elrohir, and Elladan will bring Andúril with them when they show up in RotK and Arwen won't do anything she's not supposed to (again)! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Heh. Heh. Heh. We wish. I would like to see the twins, though. __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-29-2002, 07:58 PM	#4
PippinSqueak Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Edoras Posts: 25	I think she goes to Lothlorien because they have pictures of her there with Galadriel. Also, i have heard from other people that she doesn't really go to the havens. __________________ "What are tatters?" "Po-ta-to"

12-30-2002, 11:11 AM	#5
lossentilien Guest Posts: n/a	I think she's supposed to be going to the Havens, cause she looks heartbroken.<BR>Maybe Elrond looked so sad because he knew how much she loved Aragorn and yet wants her to go to the Havens so that she won't be alone when Aragorn dies. Remember the section where he's trying to convince her to go and tells her of how if she stays behind Aragorn will die, and she will live forever with the memory of it. That was his arguement for her to got to the Havens in the first place, which would explain why he looks so sad- cause it's not what she wants.

12-30-2002, 11:46 AM	#6
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think she goes to Lothlorien because they have pictures of her there with Galadriel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They also have pictures of her at Helm's Deep. Sometimes pictures don't prove much, but you can rest assured knowing she will end up in Minas Tirith. PJ would NOT change the story that much. Everyone would be really upset (including non-Tolkienites). Though I think she may well go to Lothlorien. __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

12-30-2002, 12:10 PM	#7
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	That is interesting, I never thought of that. I think that she was heading to the havens because it was all in Aragorns dream (I think), and so he was thinking about the worst possible result. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

12-30-2002, 03:08 PM	#8
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	As I just said in another thread I believe Arwen goes to Lothlòrien after she leaves Rivendell because if she actually leaves for Valinor then they would have changed the storyline too much and I for one would be <B>ticked</B> as I am a <B>big</B> fan of Aragorn and Arwen's story!<P>So I say she goes to Lothlòrien... __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

12-30-2002, 03:49 PM	#9
Elven Mistress Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 135	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> PJ would NOT change the story that much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>One comment: Look what he did to Faramir<P>He COULD change the story that much... __________________ And i know/ It's only in my mind/ That i'm talking to myself/ And not to him!

12-30-2002, 03:59 PM	#10
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>One comment: Look what he did to Faramir<P>He COULD change the story that much...<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well unlike some of you cynics around here I am going to trust PJ not to go that far and change a major part of who Aragorn is by having Arwen leave for the Valinor...<P>And yes, while I didn't care for how Faramir was changed, I still <B>loved</B> TTT... __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

12-30-2002, 07:56 PM	#11
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> They also have pictures of her at Helm's Deep. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sometimes pictures don't match up, you're right. But according to another thread that's hanging around here, the special edition might have some footage with Arwen in Helm's Deep! I trust PJ most of the time, but... __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-30-2002, 08:43 PM	#12
Beruthiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Set adrift on the Great Sea Posts: 373	Where are these pictures exactly??<BR>I think that she was heading to Lothlorien because if she left then what? where would Aragorn be without her?<BR>But what I STILL don't understand is, when is all that stuff with Arwen and Aragorn going on?? First its in a dream, then he tells her to leave and all that stuff. Was that in his dream too?<BR>very confused __________________ ~I am not young enough to know everything~ Oscar Wilde

12-30-2002, 08:47 PM	#13
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	I think the first two scenes with the kissing and the leaving of Aragorn were both flashbacks, because Aragorn seemed to be awake. The third one with Arwen and Elrond might just be a scene back in Rivendell. Aragorn might not know about it at all. It was just a strategic spot to put it in. Now I'm confusing myself... __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

01-01-2003, 07:33 AM	#14
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Romance fans, fear not! The whole point of enlarging Arwen's role is to have the kissy-kissy Hollywood stuff (not that I'm against it); I hardly think anyone's sending her to the Havens. If you're worried that she's leaving, PJ has already got you under his spell! I have a feeling that this is the kind of story where true love wins. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I saw a picture of her in Lórien with Galadriel brushing her hair.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, no, more wasted screen time. Poor Shelob. Poor Scouring of the Shire. Poor audience... __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

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