kraken ? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

gayare'dion · 09-19-2002, 08:06 PM

what is a kraken ? in the site , there and back again, in the lore section, and under maiar spirits, it says kraken, although you cant select it to read about it. wasnt this in the story with medusas head, that could kill the kraken, in greek mythology ? where in tolkiens writings does he speak of this ?

Tigerlily Gamgee · 09-19-2002, 08:11 PM

I think it's some sort of sea monster (I get this because Sea World has a roller coaster by that name & it has something to do with sea monters).
It's a long shot-but who knows [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Tigerlily Gamgee · 09-19-2002, 08:24 PM

Quote:

kraken
SYLLABICATION: kra·ken
PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: kräkn*****KEY
NOUN: A huge sea monster in Norwegian legend.
ETYMOLOGY: Norwegian dialectal : krake, kraken + Norwegian -n, suffixed definite article.

Ha! Well, what do ya know... I was right! And I was just guessing because of a roller coaster name! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Iargwath · 09-20-2002, 03:36 AM

A Kraken is a large sea monster (giant squid/octopus)...i remember reading it somewhere...

gayare'dion · 09-20-2002, 05:59 AM

could the watcher in the water be a kraken then ?

Iargwath · 09-20-2002, 06:20 AM

Yeah, never thought of that actually...it could be. Or is it another one of Tolkien's creatures?

gayare'dion · 09-20-2002, 06:17 PM

does anyone have anything where this is mentioned in any tolkien writinngs ?

Arwen Imladris · 09-20-2002, 08:04 PM

I am pretty sure that somewhere it says that one name for the watcher in the water is kraken. I have no idea where. Wait, my little bro says that it says that in the apendix of LOTR. But then he has been known to be wrong. Oh well.

Galadrie1 · 09-20-2002, 08:19 PM

Little siblings are not to be trusted [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Anywho, I always thought of a kraken as a kind of general term for a giant squid, so in my mind, the Watcher in the Water fell under the catagory of "kraken"...

Cazoz · 09-21-2002, 08:03 AM

It is a giant squid.
There's a very famous poem entitled The Kraken, and Tolkien probably took inspirtation from that. Other than that, it's a sort of 'bogey-man' child's monster that they use in Norway. My mum's from there, so I got told the same stories about 'The Kraken will get you' etc...

Isilya · 09-21-2002, 08:29 AM

A kraken is a giant sea monster of some sort, and I remember reading somewhere (not in anything by Tolkien, sadly) that they takes thousands and thousands of years to grow to their full size, so that might apply to the Watcher in the Water. Also, it said that it had 'eight, wavery, wobbly, legs', so that's a further implication.

Orome · 09-21-2002, 09:58 PM

Not to mention that Tolkien liked to steal ideas from the norse myths

Eärendil · 09-23-2002, 10:35 AM

Tsss...not stealing (shame on you Orome [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]), he got inspiration from it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Well, uh, that´s my opinion anyway.

Isilya · 09-23-2002, 02:37 PM

Very true, very true. Besides, can you really say that he "stole" elves and dwarves?

GreyIstar · 09-23-2002, 04:08 PM

I believe the watcher is a Kraken. Now how does a sea monster get into a small inland lake?

Orome · 09-26-2002, 08:48 PM

true you cant say he stole the elves and dwarves, but his myths did have a tendency to inclued things that are strikingly similar to various norse myths. the Kraken could have gotten there as a itty bitty kraken and then grown up. it may have been rained down like frogs and salamanders do sometimes

Isilya · 09-27-2002, 04:43 AM

LOL! Raining frogs!!

Aramacil · 09-27-2002, 05:58 AM

It's not much fun when it's raining giant seamonsters [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Isilya · 09-27-2002, 02:18 PM

True, but I think I'd like to see it rain frogs sometime. Raining worms just isn't the same [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

09-19-2002, 08:06 PM	#1
gayare'dion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 75	kraken ? what is a kraken ? in the site , there and back again, in the lore section, and under maiar spirits, it says kraken, although you cant select it to read about it. wasnt this in the story with medusas head, that could kill the kraken, in greek mythology ? where in tolkiens writings does he speak of this ? __________________ i like pants!

09-19-2002, 08:11 PM	#2
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	I think it's some sort of sea monster (I get this because Sea World has a roller coaster by that name & it has something to do with sea monters). It's a long shot-but who knows [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

09-20-2002, 03:36 AM	#4
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	A Kraken is a large sea monster (giant squid/octopus)...i remember reading it somewhere... __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

09-20-2002, 05:59 AM	#5
gayare'dion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 75	could the watcher in the water be a kraken then ? __________________ i like pants!

09-20-2002, 06:20 AM	#6
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Yeah, never thought of that actually...it could be. Or is it another one of Tolkien's creatures? __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

09-20-2002, 06:17 PM	#7
gayare'dion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 75	does anyone have anything where this is mentioned in any tolkien writinngs ? __________________ i like pants!

09-20-2002, 08:04 PM	#8
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	I am pretty sure that somewhere it says that one name for the watcher in the water is kraken. I have no idea where. Wait, my little bro says that it says that in the apendix of LOTR. But then he has been known to be wrong. Oh well. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

09-20-2002, 08:19 PM	#9
Galadrie1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The wrong place at the wrong time. Posts: 385	Little siblings are not to be trusted [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Anywho, I always thought of a kraken as a kind of general term for a giant squid, so in my mind, the Watcher in the Water fell under the catagory of "kraken"... __________________ "For this is what your folk would call magic, I believe; though I do not understand clearly what they mean; and they seem to use the same word of the deceits of the Enemy. But this, if you will, is the magic of Galadriel."

09-21-2002, 08:03 AM	#10
Cazoz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 71	It is a giant squid. There's a very famous poem entitled The Kraken, and Tolkien probably took inspirtation from that. Other than that, it's a sort of 'bogey-man' child's monster that they use in Norway. My mum's from there, so I got told the same stories about 'The Kraken will get you' etc...

09-21-2002, 08:29 AM	#11
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	A kraken is a giant sea monster of some sort, and I remember reading somewhere (not in anything by Tolkien, sadly) that they takes thousands and thousands of years to grow to their full size, so that might apply to the Watcher in the Water. Also, it said that it had 'eight, wavery, wobbly, legs', so that's a further implication. __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-21-2002, 09:58 PM	#12
Orome Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 195	Not to mention that Tolkien liked to steal ideas from the norse myths

09-23-2002, 10:35 AM	#13
Eärendil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor (RtL: 1220 miles) Posts: 562	Tsss...not stealing (shame on you Orome [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]), he got inspiration from it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Well, uh, that´s my opinion anyway. __________________ Jag ska aldrig göra dig illa. Inte igen. Åtminstone inte mycket, åtminstone inte hårt. Kommer du ihåg? Då vi fortfarande kunde skratta, le på ett äkta vis. Jag tänker på det ibland. Det smärtar. För aldrig har du väl varit. Längre bort. Från mig.

09-23-2002, 02:37 PM	#14
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	Very true, very true. Besides, can you really say that he "stole" elves and dwarves? __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-23-2002, 04:08 PM	#15
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	I believe the watcher is a Kraken. Now how does a sea monster get into a small inland lake? __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

09-26-2002, 08:48 PM	#16
Orome Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 195	true you cant say he stole the elves and dwarves, but his myths did have a tendency to inclued things that are strikingly similar to various norse myths. the Kraken could have gotten there as a itty bitty kraken and then grown up. it may have been rained down like frogs and salamanders do sometimes

09-27-2002, 04:43 AM	#17
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	LOL! Raining frogs!! __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-27-2002, 05:58 AM	#18
Aramacil Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 131	It's not much fun when it's raining giant seamonsters [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "I will take the Ring," he said, "though I do not know the way."

09-27-2002, 02:18 PM	#19
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	True, but I think I'd like to see it rain frogs sometime. Raining worms just isn't the same [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

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