And the winner is ... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

12-17-2003, 05:12 PM

"So here we are Suzy, we've reached the last award of the night."

"Yes Bob, this award will be presented to the doer of the the single bravest deed done by any person of ANY race, in ANY age."

"Though we gave our judges no specific criteria we suggested that they take a few things into consideration:"

"1) is the deed widely classified as "madness" or "folly"? if so maybe it shouldn't be counted along side other more calculated actions."

"2) how long does the deed take? if it is years in the making, perhaps it can be broken into more discrete actions."

"3) was the doer significantly aided by another (of greater power) such that he/she/it is driven to act in a way that may not be representative of true bravery."

"Well Suzy this one has sure been a doozie ... undoubtedly many of the judges have had a difficult time choosing just one, but since THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT, i am sure that they were able to fulfill their charge. All we have asked is that they give their best shot, and of course provide their reasons"
"So with no further ado, THE WINNER IS ....

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:24 PM December 17, 2003: Message edited by: erisber ]

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-17-2003, 05:54 PM

BEREN, for going into the depths of Angband to cut a silmaril off of Morgoth's crown!!!

Evisse the Blue · 12-18-2003, 02:48 PM

* applauds politely, thinks Beren should split his award with Luthien and Huan *

Foolofatook · 12-18-2003, 08:32 PM

There is general recognition of Beren's achievements and the legitamacy of the award, however Foolofatook thinks that consideration should have also been given to the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry as well as the man Beregond, and the woman Eowyn for facing equally deadly odds with significantly less power. This applies especially to Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Eowyn who faced down evils comparable to Morgoth not just deeds comparable in deadlyness.

Lhunardawen · 12-19-2003, 12:11 AM

I think Finrod Felagund also deserves the award, for bravely killing (with his hands and teeth!) the wolf sent by Sauron to kill Beren... and died in doing so. Now what could be more selfless? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

12-19-2003, 02:23 AM

I would definitely give the award to ëarëndil and his great voyage ( remember he did it for arda itself and for all races in it), though it was forbbiden for any mortal and even for the inmortals to go to the shores of aman under pain of death or disaster. I'm aware that the power of the silmaril and the aid of Ulmo and ossë, and even the love of elwing made their part, but it is still the greatest quest ever made and i think JRRT would agree with me. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Phervasaion · 12-19-2003, 08:21 AM

hmm..How about Fingolfin for taking on Morgoth in a one on one fight and dying valiantly. I think Beren also could win it for going into Angband.

Finwe · 12-19-2003, 08:56 AM

I'd definitely give the award to Fingolfin, since not many people have the courage to face the Dark Lord all by themselves. Even though he died, I think that he was the true victor.

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-19-2003, 11:28 AM

Frodo Baggins.

'nuff said. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Gilbo · 12-19-2003, 11:30 AM

Sam Gamgee! For completion of the task of accompanying his master to the end of HIS quest. A task that he accomplished without the wisdom of a Wizard; the foresight of an Elf; the tenacity of a Dwarf; the strength of a Man; or, the skill-at-arms of a Warrior, yet exhibitting some of all of these traits. He did this using only his wit and determination, utilizing whatever tools fell to him. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Iris Alantiel · 12-19-2003, 12:42 PM

*cheers loudly* Well said, Gilbo!

Sam was but a simple gardener from the Shire, but his acts matched those of many stronger and more experienced warrior types. Also, his role in the quest was not for his own benefit, but for Frodo's. Surely it is a greater indicator of bravery to act without thought of a personal payoff - to act for the benefit of someone else and not yourself. Hooray for Sam!

Estelyn Telcontar · 12-19-2003, 02:44 PM

This thread is asking for opinions, not actual book discussion; I'm moving it to join the other opinion threads on the Novices and Newcomers forum. Please continue reading and posting there.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 12-19-2003, 07:56 PM

Hooray for Sam is right!

But I think Sam and Frodo should split the award. Since, you know, Frodo took the role of Ringbearer upon himself freely and all.

Or Beren and Luthien could get it....

But I really don't think the award belongs to any one person. It's the teams that achieved the most.

Daisy Brambleburr · 12-21-2003, 09:55 AM

Frodo! He made such a big sacrifice. I don't think there are many others who could have done what he did.

12-17-2003, 05:12 PM	#1
erisber Guest Posts: n/a	And the winner is ... "So here we are Suzy, we've reached the last award of the night." "Yes Bob, this award will be presented to the doer of the the single bravest deed done by any person of ANY race, in ANY age." "Though we gave our judges no specific criteria we suggested that they take a few things into consideration:" "1) is the deed widely classified as "madness" or "folly"? if so maybe it shouldn't be counted along side other more calculated actions." "2) how long does the deed take? if it is years in the making, perhaps it can be broken into more discrete actions." "3) was the doer significantly aided by another (of greater power) such that he/she/it is driven to act in a way that may not be representative of true bravery." "Well Suzy this one has sure been a doozie ... undoubtedly many of the judges have had a difficult time choosing just one, but since THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT, i am sure that they were able to fulfill their charge. All we have asked is that they give their best shot, and of course provide their reasons" "So with no further ado, THE WINNER IS .... <font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:24 PM December 17, 2003: Message edited by: erisber ]

12-17-2003, 05:54 PM	#2
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	BEREN, for going into the depths of Angband to cut a silmaril off of Morgoth's crown!!! __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

12-18-2003, 02:48 PM	#3
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	* applauds politely, thinks Beren should split his award with Luthien and Huan * __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

12-18-2003, 08:32 PM	#4
Foolofatook Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: UMass Amherst Posts: 14	There is general recognition of Beren's achievements and the legitamacy of the award, however Foolofatook thinks that consideration should have also been given to the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry as well as the man Beregond, and the woman Eowyn for facing equally deadly odds with significantly less power. This applies especially to Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Eowyn who faced down evils comparable to Morgoth not just deeds comparable in deadlyness. __________________ Fond as he was of Frodo, Fatty Bolger had no desire to leave the Shire, nor to see what lay outside it.

12-19-2003, 08:21 AM	#7
Phervasaion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The wilderness of Middle-Earth Posts: 306	hmm..How about Fingolfin for taking on Morgoth in a one on one fight and dying valiantly. I think Beren also could win it for going into Angband. __________________ Phervasaion

12-19-2003, 12:11 AM	#5
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	I think Finrod Felagund also deserves the award, for bravely killing (with his hands and teeth!) the wolf sent by Sauron to kill Beren... and died in doing so. Now what could be more selfless? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

12-19-2003, 02:23 AM	#6
Masterdwarf Guest Posts: n/a	I would definitely give the award to ëarëndil and his great voyage ( remember he did it for arda itself and for all races in it), though it was forbbiden for any mortal and even for the inmortals to go to the shores of aman under pain of death or disaster. I'm aware that the power of the silmaril and the aid of Ulmo and ossë, and even the love of elwing made their part, but it is still the greatest quest ever made and i think JRRT would agree with me. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

12-19-2003, 08:56 AM	#8
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I'd definitely give the award to Fingolfin, since not many people have the courage to face the Dark Lord all by themselves. Even though he died, I think that he was the true victor. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

12-19-2003, 11:28 AM	#9
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Frodo Baggins. 'nuff said. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-19-2003, 11:30 AM	#10
Gilbo Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: maryland Posts: 34	Sam Gamgee! For completion of the task of accompanying his master to the end of HIS quest. A task that he accomplished without the wisdom of a Wizard; the foresight of an Elf; the tenacity of a Dwarf; the strength of a Man; or, the skill-at-arms of a Warrior, yet exhibitting some of all of these traits. He did this using only his wit and determination, utilizing whatever tools fell to him. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

12-19-2003, 12:42 PM	#11
Iris Alantiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 97	cheers loudly Well said, Gilbo! Sam was but a simple gardener from the Shire, but his acts matched those of many stronger and more experienced warrior types. Also, his role in the quest was not for his own benefit, but for Frodo's. Surely it is a greater indicator of bravery to act without thought of a personal payoff - to act for the benefit of someone else and not yourself. Hooray for Sam! __________________ Above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell. -- Samwise Gamgee

12-19-2003, 02:44 PM	#12
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	This thread is asking for opinions, not actual book discussion; I'm moving it to join the other opinion threads on the Novices and Newcomers forum. Please continue reading and posting there. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

12-19-2003, 07:56 PM	#13
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Hooray for Sam is right! But I think Sam and Frodo should split the award. Since, you know, Frodo took the role of Ringbearer upon himself freely and all. Or Beren and Luthien could get it.... But I really don't think the award belongs to any one person. It's the teams that achieved the most. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

12-21-2003, 09:55 AM	#14
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	Frodo! He made such a big sacrifice. I don't think there are many others who could have done what he did. __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'

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