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02-02-2004, 02:03 PM
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Origins of Orcs
I have researched this out on this forum, but I am still kind of confused. Could you explain the origins of orcs in a "Newbie" way. It says on the movies that Orcs are were origionally elves. WHAT?? I am so confused. Also if they were origionally elves, does this mean that they live forever??
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02-02-2004, 02:16 PM
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Okay. In the beginning, Elves were captured by Morgoth (the Original Dark Lord) and tortured and mutilated, creating Orcs. Those Orcs then multiplied and made more Orcs, et cetera, and they come to the Orcs we know and love. As for the living forever part, I don't think they are immortal. But don't trust me on that.
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02-02-2004, 02:50 PM
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In the first age of Stars, Melkor captured some Elves, took them to Utumno and "twisted" them into the race of Orcs through the "slow arts of cruelty". He ruined their forms through hideous acts of torture. The only joy they now could obtain was through the pain of others.
From these elves-turned-to-orcs, Melkor breed an entire race of slaves for himself. They survived, generation after generation, until the War of the Ring. Elves were immortal and ageless, yet they could be destroyed...slain with fire or in battle, murdered, even die from extreme grief. I assume that orcs kept this aspect of their once-elven being.
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02-02-2004, 03:17 PM
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Long Story (I hope this is accurate)
Well, there are different kinds of orcs, as you probably guessed. Orcs were bred in the pits of Utumno from tortured and mangled elves after being captured by Morgoth/Melkor. They split into a number of race strains that survived the chaining of Melkor and spread throughout Middle-Earth. -Hobgoblins A pre-Isengard equivalent of Uruk-hai. They are larger than regular orcs and are technically uruks. They were the largest existing orcs before Uruk-hai. They apparently have existed since the orc breedings of Melkor Quote:
-Uruk-hai You can probably figure out what these are. Bred by Saruman and Sauron, Uruk-hai are larger, stronger, and fine with sunlight. That is self explanatory. Also called Great Orcs. Quote:
Half orcs are supposedly another unsuccessful half-breed of Saruman. Another sunlight resistant breed, half-orcs, or goblin-men, are just another failed experiment, present only at the Battle of Helm's Deep where they were all killed by Huorns. Quote:
-Olag-hai Not often mentioned, but particularly strong. These were bred during the War of the Ring, a mix of troll and uruk. They were larger and stronger (the strongest orcs in existence), but far stupider. -Snaga Regular orcs, but lesser. These were probably Melkor's strain, now in the service of Sauron. They were slaves and cannon fodder, but there were many of them.
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02-02-2004, 07:48 PM
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Uruk-Hai were orcs bred with men wernt they?, i think it says something like that in the books, but im not sure
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02-03-2004, 11:29 AM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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No, Uruks were Orcs bred with Goblins.
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02-04-2004, 02:48 AM
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08-10-2004, 05:50 AM
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Everything sounds right here. But, the orcs and Uruk-hai are not immortal. The original elves, and by that I mean the very elves who were captured by Morgoth, decided to give up their immortal lives because they were becoming so evil and impure, so that if they did live forever, they knew that they would be used to wreak havoc on Middle-Earth. Their "children" were not given an immortal life as they were no longer elves and their "parents" had no immortal life either and so on and so on.
This is all very complicated but I'm sure it says it all in "The treason of Isengard." But I'm not sure, I just thought I'd throw that in there. 
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