Do all elves that die, reincarnate? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

LadyElbereth · 10-03-2002, 07:06 PM

Do all elves that die, reincarnate? If so, how long does it take them to be born again? 100 years? two weeks? Do they remember who they were before?
-LadyElbereth
P.S. Extremely sorry if "reincarnate" isn't the right word to use.

Morgoth Bauglir · 10-03-2002, 08:41 PM

i think most are reincarnated, and sent back to valmar to live.

Diamond18 · 10-03-2002, 08:47 PM

Elves are sent to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor.

burrahobbit · 10-03-2002, 09:07 PM

No. Feanor didn't reincarnate.

Kuruharan · 10-03-2002, 09:14 PM

Neither did his mother.

Morgoth Bauglir · 10-03-2002, 09:29 PM

MOST and in time....and it was just something i THOUGHT i read....im sorry sheesh.

Kuruharan · 10-03-2002, 09:32 PM

Merely providing examples of the few that didn't... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Morgoth Bauglir · 10-03-2002, 09:38 PM

lol thanks.....help is always appreciated.

LadyElbereth · 10-04-2002, 04:25 PM

So why wasn't Feanor reincarnated?
And why didn't Glorfindal live in the Halls of Mandos in Valinor?

Kalimac · 10-04-2002, 11:41 PM

Please forgive my ignorance (I'm still working on the Silmarillion, rather slowly) but wouldn't Tinuviel and Arwen be excluded as well, or is their exclusion taken for granted since they both chose mortality? I guess because it seems natural to think of them as Elves even after they decided to lose one of the most important attributes of an Elf...

HerenIstarion · 10-05-2002, 02:10 AM

it is taken for granted

(laconic thread, heh)

Galorme · 10-05-2002, 04:13 AM

Arwen and Luthien gave up their imortality, and Luthien went beyond the circles of the world to whereever men go. Elves can re-incarnate if they want, they merely have to ask the Valar for another body. They can stay in Mandos for as long as they want, or never leave at all, depending on what they want. Glorfindel is an exception, being an Elven Prince, pure of heart and the like he left Mandos and the True West to help Middle Earth. Just because he rocks, and he loved Olórin i believe (well most the elves did, when they saw him at least). Just out of interest has anyone read the Vampire Cronicles by Anne Rice. She describes love between the Vampires in a similar way to the way JRRT describes love between the Elves, a genderless, pure love that comes from seeing the goodness in another's soul.

10-03-2002, 07:06 PM	#1
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 183	Do all elves that die, reincarnate? Do all elves that die, reincarnate? If so, how long does it take them to be born again? 100 years? two weeks? Do they remember who they were before? -LadyElbereth P.S. Extremely sorry if "reincarnate" isn't the right word to use. __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

10-03-2002, 08:47 PM	#3
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Elves are sent to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-03-2002, 09:07 PM	#4
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	No. Feanor didn't reincarnate. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

10-03-2002, 09:14 PM	#5
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,591	Neither did his mother. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

10-03-2002, 09:32 PM	#7
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,591	Merely providing examples of the few that didn't... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

10-03-2002, 08:41 PM	#2
Morgoth Bauglir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 252	i think most are reincarnated, and sent back to valmar to live.

10-03-2002, 09:29 PM	#6
Morgoth Bauglir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 252	MOST and in time....and it was just something i THOUGHT i read....im sorry sheesh.

10-03-2002, 09:38 PM	#8
Morgoth Bauglir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 252	lol thanks.....help is always appreciated.

10-04-2002, 04:25 PM	#9
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 183	So why wasn't Feanor reincarnated? And why didn't Glorfindal live in the Halls of Mandos in Valinor? __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

10-04-2002, 11:41 PM	#10
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Please forgive my ignorance (I'm still working on the Silmarillion, rather slowly) but wouldn't Tinuviel and Arwen be excluded as well, or is their exclusion taken for granted since they both chose mortality? I guess because it seems natural to think of them as Elves even after they decided to lose one of the most important attributes of an Elf... __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

10-05-2002, 02:10 AM	#11
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	it is taken for granted (laconic thread, heh) __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

10-05-2002, 04:13 AM	#12
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Arwen and Luthien gave up their imortality, and Luthien went beyond the circles of the world to whereever men go. Elves can re-incarnate if they want, they merely have to ask the Valar for another body. They can stay in Mandos for as long as they want, or never leave at all, depending on what they want. Glorfindel is an exception, being an Elven Prince, pure of heart and the like he left Mandos and the True West to help Middle Earth. Just because he rocks, and he loved Olórin i believe (well most the elves did, when they saw him at least). Just out of interest has anyone read the Vampire Cronicles by Anne Rice. She describes love between the Vampires in a similar way to the way JRRT describes love between the Elves, a genderless, pure love that comes from seeing the goodness in another's soul. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

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