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05-08-2014, 02:37 PM | #1 |
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The Battle of the White Council
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After having watched 'The Desolation of Smaug' again recently, I perceive that Sauron's reemergence will become increasingly more prominent as the trilogy continues this December. Although the film has taken a fairly different turn in presenting Gandalf's wanderings in Dol Guldur, do you think that Sir Peter Jackson and co. will do Tolkien's characters justice and present the battle in a way that the Professor would have wanted; or do you think it shall be a battle of flying fire bolts and sword-play? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. |
05-08-2014, 03:04 PM | #2 |
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Gandalf's battles against the Nazgul (on Weathertop) and the Balrog (on Zirakzigil) had flying lightning-bolts, although Tolkien didn't show the battles directly. But the lightning-bolts were definitely there and other characters saw them in the former case (in the latter Gandalf commented about them).
I suspect that Jackson's not going to be able to resist intercutting the assault on Dol Guldur with the Battle of Five Armies (mostly because he's about as subtle as an anvil with "50 tons" written on it). Of course that's going to require some butchering of the story-line. No further comment necessary. As to what form it will take, I've no idea but I'd predict a Galadriel freak-out (similar to the Mirror scene in FotR) will take place.
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05-08-2014, 06:00 PM | #3 |
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Saruman would make a mess off dol guldur with his thunderstorm spell,although im not sure it could work outside caradhras.
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Cuiva nwalca Carnirassë! Nai yarvaxëa rasselya taltuva ñotto-carinnar!
'Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your blood-stained horn shall fall upon the enemy-heads' [no subtitles given] cuiva v. imper. 'wake up'; *cuiva- 'wake up'. nwalca adj. 'cruel'. Carnirassë n. '= Sindarin Caradhras, English Redhorn'. nai v. 'may it be'. yarvaxëa adj. 'blood-stained'; yár 'blood' + *vaxëa 'stained' < vaxë 'stain'. rasselya n. 'your horn'; rassë 'horn' + -lya 'your'. taltuva v. fut. '[it] will fall'; cf. talta- 'slip, slide down, collapse, slope'. ñotto-carinnar n 'upon enemy-heads'; cf. *ñotto-cár 'enemy-head' from *ñotto 'enemy' (ÑGOTH-) and cár 'head' (KAS-).
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You're looking for logic and patterns where there are none. Jackson does whatever he feels is best for the movies he wants to make. If he ends up thinking that a Galadriel freak-out would suit the scene, we'll get a Galadriel freak-out, and he won't care if it doesn't make sense in the context of what he's shown before. As for whether or not it makes sense in the context of what Tolkien wrote, he's already shown that he doesn't care much about that. Enjoy the movies for what they are if you wish, but don't go looking for any kind of pattern or scheme in them, because it doesn't exist.
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Okay,okay,dont be mad.
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The problem with Professor Tolkien's work is that the scope and depth of the world often results in Sir Peter Jackson and co. misinterpreting what the Professor would have intended. However, like many here I suppose, the legendarium and the films are two separate subjects. Thank you to all for the replies. |
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I don't think the roomful of monkeys with typewriters allow PJ much access.
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Except, you know, for the faceless men in a conference room at Warner Bros. who actually have the final say in everything.
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