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10-11-2010, 02:38 PM | #1 | |
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Charles Manson did not murder Boromir...
But who did?
Charles Manson, if you don't know the name, was found guilty in the 60's for the horrendous murders of the Tate/LiaBianca families. He did not use a knife, a gun or any other physical weapon to commit this crime. Yet he was found to be responsible and has been imprisoned since. Why? In short, Manson, much like Saruman, convinced his sick followers to carry out the foul deed. He was then held responsible due to something called the 'joint-responsibility rule,' meaning that he, as a part of the conspiracy to commit murder, was just as responsible as those who physically participated in the crime. So, with that *legal* thought in mind (you can leave all the gory stuff behind), we come upon a new case, the case of the murder of the Steward's son. As we all know, the Uruks shot Boromir with more than the recommended daily allowance of arrows. So, yes, they killed him. But Saruman sent the Uruks to retrieve the Halflings, and to kill all others (it's interesting that the only 'other' is Boromir). So this white wizard too is at fault. We could list Elrond for letting Boromir into the Nine, and even Denethor for sending his son north. But to someone as suspicious as myself, these culprits are too obvious, and so may be just the patsies/scapegoats for the person/persons/being ultimately responsible. This thought to look deeper came when I last heard these words: Quote:
I conclude that it is this dream sender who is responsible for Boromir's death. ( * Yes, Boromir would most probably have died in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, if not sooner. Yet he would have died freely, not pushed/manipulated into his death by some invisible force.)
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10-11-2010, 02:55 PM | #2 |
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Obviously you mean Tolkien is responsible, right, since he set up the scenario and prompted the dream sender.
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10-11-2010, 03:08 PM | #3 | |
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But I'm limiting my links to causality to Middle Earth and all realms above and below.
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10-11-2010, 06:55 PM | #4 |
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It would have been difficult to convict Saruman of Boromir's murder.
1) There was a war going on. Leaders may be tried on atrocity charges, but not necessarily on combat deaths. Boromir, being a war captain of Gondor, could certainly be termed as a direct combatant, or at least a soldier of a hostile country. 2) The Orcs were attempting to capture, not kill, the Hobbits. Boromir's violent interference against soldiers of an enemy state led to their retaliation and his death. There is no direct proof (written orders) that show conclusively that Saruman ordered the deaths of Fellowship members (except the Hobbits), and any conversation entered as evidence would amount to hearsay, as the Orcs carrying out the mission were most likely all dead, killed by the Rohirrim outside of Fangorn. 3) There is no direct evidence that all the Orcs involved in Boromir's combat death were directly reporting to Saruman alone. There is ample evidence that shows there were Orcs reporting to Saruman and Orcs reporting to Sauron in the same vicinity along the Anduin. A good lawyer would get him off on that charge easily. Saruman would however face multiple charges regarding the burning of the Westfold, Hobbitnapping and other nefarious deeds.
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10-12-2010, 05:48 AM | #5 |
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I suggest you at least take Gandalf in for questioning... what about that stuff he did as Olorin with dreams and visions inspiring folk to great deeds?
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10-12-2010, 06:11 AM | #6 |
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If we're looking for someone to fault can't it be said Aragorn had a hand in Boromir's death? He's the one who insisted Boromir go after the two younger Hobbits. He could have just sent Boromir to a time-out for chasing off Frodo, but he sent him into the fray.
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Thank you for your replies. But the question remains: who is the dream weaver?
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BURN HIM!!!! Sorry wrong fillum....
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10-14-2010, 06:52 PM | #9 | |
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Who in Middle Earth has the power to send off dreams?
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10-15-2010, 08:15 AM | #10 | |
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Same person who sent Merry his curious barrow dream.
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10-18-2010, 08:38 PM | #11 | |
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