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03-10-2003, 04:28 AM

I just wonder what the name of the dwarven lands are in middle-earth...?!
Since Moria were corrupted by Orcs and Goblins I dont know any country the dwarves live in...?! Can someone answer please??

vanwalossien · 03-10-2003, 06:13 AM

Well, there's the lonely mountain, Erebor. The Dwarves moved back to their halls under the mountain in 'the Hobbit', but whether that's a big enough place to be called a country, I dunno.

[ March 10, 2003: Message edited by: vanwalossien ]

Selmo · 03-10-2003, 06:45 AM

In addition to Erebor, dwarves were living and working in the Blue Mountains, west of the Shire.
When the Kingdom Under The Mountain was re-establshed at Erebor, I don't think that the Iron Hills would be abbandoned completely, so there would still be dwarves there.

Phrim · 03-10-2003, 08:05 AM

After the War of the Ring, there were Dwarves living at the Glittering Caves in Rohan; Gimli was the lord of this realm. And there were multiple Dwarven outposts to the East, which do not come into Tolkien's stories.

03-10-2003, 08:44 AM

It is important to remember that there was no such thing as 'countrys' in middle-earth. it is more like the medival Europe - many city-states and small kingdoms, but all just in the shadows of the former Rome. Tolkien's world is almost post-apocalyptic (sp?) in a way, since most of the glory and splendor was forgotten and the reaming people was just struggling for existence. Therefore, both men, dwarves, elves and even hobbits were scattered around the lands, having no king or anything. Even the orcs was just tribes with their own rulers, just like the the elves. However, each of these city-states had their own customs and their own laws, so in a sence they were kingdoms consisting of only one state or city. The people of Middle-Earth felt united because of personal relationships, history and races, not some stupid borders drawn on a map ebacuse of taxes etc. Dwarves are dwarves, and they would understand eacother better than they understand elves, even though one live in the remains of Moria and the other in Fornost.

Kuruharan · 03-10-2003, 03:24 PM

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Therefore, both men, dwarves, elves and even hobbits were scattered around the lands, having no king or anything.

Each of the Seven Houses of Dwarves (originally at least) had a king. This was still the case for Durin's Folk in the Third Age. That's what Thorin and Dain were.

Meoshi · 03-10-2003, 04:52 PM

No nations? What about Rohan and Gondor? What about Mordor? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] That at least has multiple population centers.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-10-2003, 05:14 PM

There were also The awakening places of the four other Dwarven houses, the Ironfists, Stiffbeards.

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The other two places were Eastward at distances as great or greater then the distance between the Blue Mountains and Gundabad

The migrating Dwarves of early LoTR may have been refugees from the Eastern mansions, as Tolkien stipulates that the far Eastern tribes may have turned evil, maybe the closer ones as well.

03-10-2003, 04:28 AM	#1
Balin Guest Posts: n/a	Dwarven lands..? I just wonder what the name of the dwarven lands are in middle-earth...?! Since Moria were corrupted by Orcs and Goblins I dont know any country the dwarves live in...?! Can someone answer please??

03-10-2003, 06:13 AM	#2
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	Well, there's the lonely mountain, Erebor. The Dwarves moved back to their halls under the mountain in 'the Hobbit', but whether that's a big enough place to be called a country, I dunno. [ March 10, 2003: Message edited by: vanwalossien ] __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

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03-10-2003, 06:45 AM	#3
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	In addition to Erebor, dwarves were living and working in the Blue Mountains, west of the Shire. When the Kingdom Under The Mountain was re-establshed at Erebor, I don't think that the Iron Hills would be abbandoned completely, so there would still be dwarves there.

03-10-2003, 08:05 AM	#4
Phrim Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 72	After the War of the Ring, there were Dwarves living at the Glittering Caves in Rohan; Gimli was the lord of this realm. And there were multiple Dwarven outposts to the East, which do not come into Tolkien's stories.

03-10-2003, 08:44 AM	#5
Lord Dargor Guest Posts: n/a	It is important to remember that there was no such thing as 'countrys' in middle-earth. it is more like the medival Europe - many city-states and small kingdoms, but all just in the shadows of the former Rome. Tolkien's world is almost post-apocalyptic (sp?) in a way, since most of the glory and splendor was forgotten and the reaming people was just struggling for existence. Therefore, both men, dwarves, elves and even hobbits were scattered around the lands, having no king or anything. Even the orcs was just tribes with their own rulers, just like the the elves. However, each of these city-states had their own customs and their own laws, so in a sence they were kingdoms consisting of only one state or city. The people of Middle-Earth felt united because of personal relationships, history and races, not some stupid borders drawn on a map ebacuse of taxes etc. Dwarves are dwarves, and they would understand eacother better than they understand elves, even though one live in the remains of Moria and the other in Fornost.

03-10-2003, 04:52 PM	#7
Meoshi Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atop the peak of Kalormë Posts: 163	No nations? What about Rohan and Gondor? What about Mordor? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] That at least has multiple population centers.