WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm too lazy to think this through so I'll just ask you to explain the joke to me.

Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops.


ETA: I should point out, however, that it wasn't really all his fault. The pack had super bad luck anyway.

[skip spence]

Okay I'm back from a luttle night out with some wicked live jazz, and I see that nothing much is new... except that Eomer voted Lottie...

A roll call if I may... Who are here to vote come the DL? All of us, except Pitch?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Fair point. But Agan's actively trying to lynch the cobbler. It's not her failsafe plan, it's her plan plan. She has NO other suspects? I don't believe it. I think she's hiding behind her "lack of real suspects" to either lynch the cobbler (assuming that's what Skip is) or to lynch an innocent under the guise of trying to prudently lynch the cobbler.

It's my plan plan because I'm like 85% sure he's the cobbler while I'm, let's say 55% sure you're a wolf. I much rather vote for my 85% baddie than the 55% one. The lynches have been extremely non-informative to me thus far given that the first was a bandwagon for a quiet wolf and the last two who were lynched were people I considered innocent. So I've never had a real need to review my suspicions, if you know what I mean.

If that's the case, shouldn't I be her first option, not her second, especially when her first is the cobbler?

As I said I'm not half as sure of your guilt as I'm of skip's... And the way you defend yourself gives me second thoughts because I'm not sure a wolf would try to save the cobbler at her own expense.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Shasta was a cobbler who killed all his wolves. But we don't talk about it because....oops.

Ah okay. When I was the cobbler, I basically killed three out of the five wolves. Way to go.

edit: xed with skip. I'll be here.

[Aganzir]

Oh and I actually think we should avoid a last minute voting rush because that way it's easier for the wolves to steer the lynch (assuming they're around).

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh okay. When I was the cobbler, I basically killed three out of the five wolves. Way to go.

Also, if a cobbler dies at Night, always lynch Boro. *waves* Hi, honey.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Oh and I actually think we should avoid a last minute voting rush because that way it's easier for the wolves to steer the lynch (assuming they're around).

Agreed, at least in a way. We shouldn't all vote super early, but let's try to not ALL hold our votes.

I know I'll be holding mine, but of course I also know I'm innocent. o_O

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and Skip? I'll be around. Erm, obviously.

Making dinner right now, and I've some things to attend to, but I should be active barring any unexpected apocalypses. Or cake. If there's cake....man, I don't know.

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

If Eomer is a wolf, why did Fea die instead of Lottie or sally? Especially Lottie has been pretty hard on him... And I imagine the wolves would like to get rid of a possible seer even if it incriminated one of them.

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I should be active barring any unexpected apocalypses. Or cake. If there's cake....man, I don't know.

Stay off the cake, m'kay, we need you here!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by skip spence

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point. And Sally has been drawing quite a bit of suspicion...

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

[skip spence]

So, Lottie, you around?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Stay off the cake, m'kay, we need you here!

But but but but....but cake!


Okay, off to make dinner now. Anyone want some nummy pasta? I'm willing to share!

[Aganzir]

It's also possible Lottie is a wolf or the cobbler preparing for a fake reveal or just wanting to give a seer impression, and she's chosen Eomer as her victim, counting on the real seer not revealing yet. Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements. I find it rather unlikely she's a wolf though given her role in EW's lynching.

edit: xed with two sallys & a skip. I want pasta! Oh and skip I really wouldn't mind getting some answers from you.

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Snerk. I have not. I've been suspected by like two people, one of whom is toDay's major suspect (or one of them, anyway). Big difference, Skippity.

Okay, not so much toDay perhaps, but Agan's theory was based on events that took place earlier and, bless you, you could easily have been lynched at some point earlier, couldn't you? As far as I can remember, which to be fair isn't that far at this point.

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by skip spence

And Agan, I don't think I have any reason to explain myself to you. Barking up the wrong tree, luv.

In that case I don't think I have any reason to abstain from voting for you... Except that's probably exactly what you want.

[skip spence]

Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though...

[Inziladun]

DL in one hour.

[Aganzir]

This doesn't really matter because I'm almost certainly voting for skip today, but...

I'm not voting for Nerwen, Pitch or Eomer today. I'm much more worried about Eomer being just an easy lynch than actually a wolf, and I still haven't got a satisfactory explanation for why he must be a wolf because Greenie turned out innocent.

Will take a quick look at Lottie now. Is there anyone around (except skip & sally, probably)?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I have no idea what I should do with Eomer. Before making up my mind, I'd like to hear some explanations from those who said either him or Greenie must be a wolf.

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Really, you should have been in that category as well, especially now with your "lynching the cobbler is just as good as lynching a wolf" theory. Skip may be the cobbler, but if so I won't be lynching him toDay. We need to get, repeat, A WOLF. Anyone who's not on board with that plan is either evil or possibly the cobbler him/herself.

Agan always does this. I'm inclinded to trust her more because of it, even if I don't entirely agree with her.

Originally Posted by skip spence

So, Lottie, you around?

Now I am.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Or that she's an ordo and everybody has been overinterpreting her statements.

Is it really so hard to believe?

[Aganzir]

Lottie apologises when voting for EW (bold for a wolf?). She tends to mention me, Pitch and sally as people she trusts (skip and Eomer looked decent on day 2, and she didn't know of Nerwen). She's been obsessing about Eomer since he and skip compared her behaviour in different games. Apparently she thought he was hinting at her being a gifted, but he had only played with her once before so I don't think you can really accuse him of suggesting she's a gifted if her only playing style he knows is from a game she was a gifted. And suddenly she suggests lynching him.

She acknowledges my point of Eomer not having played with her before, but come the next day, Eomer still looks like a big bad wolf. The previous day she had only had a weak case against him and a vague gut feeling about Greenie, but now she's all up for killing them both. However, she also goes through skip's posts and finds him rather cobblerish. If she was a wolf, would she try to throw the cobbler into the spotlight? I think not, unless she or one of her fellows was in an immediate danger of lynching.

Now she's so sure of Eomer's wolfdom she's looking for fellows for him. Pitch is Mr Agreeable around Eomer, and I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Ah heck... She could really go either way. Her seemingly ungrounded suspicion of Eomer & Greenie is weird and reminds me easily of her suspicion of me the first time we played together. I mean, being so sure she's blind to any other options. But it would also be quite convenient for a wolf, especially now that they have to push to get a few innocents lynched in order to win.

I'm totally at a loss.

[skip spence]

One thing is clear: Lottie AND Eomer aren't both wolves. Unless I'm tripping...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

They were my top suspects, but it looked impossible for them to be a pack. So I figured that one of them was evil, and one wasn't. Now that Greenie is proven to be the 'wasn't', Eomer is my top suspicion.

I still think you're a tad too sure of it, but I'm willing to let it pass. At least it's definitely not enough to make me vote for you.

I'll be around till the deadline but I'm not going to hold my vote any longer.

++skip

Because I think he's definitely our best bet at the moment.

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)

Left: Nerwen, sally, Lottie, skip

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm apparently a possible wolf too.

Not really. The only reason I had for suspecting you at all was a lack of other suspicions. Same thing I've been saying to Eomer: I'm a thousand times more sure of him because I'm not at all sure of you. A thousand times .01 isn't a seer dream; its normal suspicion.

EDIT: xed with skip and Agan

[skip spence]

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Not really. The only reason I had for suspecting you at all was a lack of other suspicions. Same thing I've been saying to Eomer: I'm a thousand times more sure of him because I'm not at all sure of you. A thousand times .01 isn't a seer dream; its normal suspicion.

Yeah I know that... But I can't really see why Eomer is so suspicious, either. If he was a wolf I think he would've reacted differently to your suspicion; he was more like "Don't you try that trick on me" than "EEEEEK have I been seer-dreamed help me!?!?"

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

Half past 10am if a random website I googled is to be trusted.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Nerwen, you don't happen to be around?

What time is it in Oz now? (yes, lazy I know)

I'm back. And it's 10:37 AM, but I'm not working today– at least, I should be, but I'm actually waiting around for some other people to get their acts together.

So I'll be probably be around until DL this time– unless my connection dies on me, which I can't guarantee it won't.

EDIT:X'd with 2 Agans.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah I know that... But I can't really see why Eomer is so suspicious, either. If he was a wolf I think he would've reacted differently to your suspicion; he was more like "Don't you try that trick on me" than "EEEEEK have I been seer-dreamed help me!?!?"

Neither would I have been. I never said I'm the Seer (because I'm not) so he was never dead. He could still fight it, and what better way to save himself than by casting suspicion on who he thought might be the Seer? Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

Probably Eomer or skip.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Neither would I have been. I never said I'm the Seer (because I'm not) so he was never dead. He could still fight it, and what better way to save himself than by casting suspicion on who he thought might be the Seer? Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

And I second Skip: Sally and Nerwen, we kind of need you. Who are you guys planning to vote?

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

Hence I think either he's trying to trap innocent!Lottie or Lottie is a wolf. I think the latter is more likely.


And I'm not sure yet. I think I'll have to go with the best of the candidates presented when I vote. Sadly, it's looking like Skip's going to flip the biscuit. I mean I'm not saying I trust him completely, but I'd prefer other suspects.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Although I must admit, I don't know why, if he honestly thought I was the Seer, he wouldn't have Night-killed me.

Exactly. I just can't see it being worth it. If he had night-killed you, he would probably have been suspected regardless of whether you were the seer or not, but then he could at least have said the wolves were just trying to frame him. Whereas now, if you actually were the seer and revealed him, he'd have no way whatsoever to get out of it. Yes of course there are fake reveals and stuff, but he would've been in so much more serious trouble.

[satansaloser2005]

My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies.

[skip spence]

Yeah okay no point in delaying this any longer...

It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one.

++Eomer

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Hence I think either he's trying to trap innocent!Lottie or Lottie is a wolf. I think the latter is more likely.

??? Sally, was that a typo for "the former", or have you just done another Legate-180? (Which needs to go in the Glossary, now that I think about it.)

EDIT:X'd with several, incl. Sally's explanation.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Probably Eomer or skip.

While I hate to say this (I think people should have the right to vote for whomever they please), it's probably best not to spread the votes too much. That way an innocent getting lynched is more likely, if the wolves hold their votes till very late.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And I'm not sure yet. I think I'll have to go with the best of the candidates presented when I vote. Sadly, it's looking like Skip's going to flip the biscuit. I mean I'm not saying I trust him completely, but I'd prefer other suspects.

If you ask me, we should try him. Can't do too much harm.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

My post above should say FORMER, not LATTER. I completely spaced in the middle of the post and forgot which order I proposed the ideas in. Apologies.

This expains the complete 180. And yeah, clearly that's what I'm thinking, too, as I know I'm innocent.

EDIT: xed with Skip, Nerwen, and Agan.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by skip spence

[*highlight]++Eomer[/highlight]

Say what now? My head hurts.

[Aganzir]

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)
skip - Eomer (1)

Left: Nerwen, sally, Lottie

When I told Nerwen we shouldn't spread the votes, I remembered incorrectly that it was Eomer, not Lottie who already had a vote. So I wasn't actually pushing her to vote skip even though I wouldn't mind if she did.

[satansaloser2005]

For the love of sweet binary....


There's just too much sauce in the brain pan.

[Aganzir]

I just realised that if neither of the wolves has voted yet, we're done for.