WWJ IV: Let the insanity ensue

[Eonwe]

Mith, I know what you mean about Gandalf. But don't vote for him. Hopefully take care of himself (aka I'm gonna see if Kitanna will lynch him, if that is acceptable to everyone.) At least hold off on him for now.

[Valier]

Maybe if Kitanna would allow a double lynch tonight we could get rid of Gandalf and our lynchee. Would that be wise? That would let the wolves win if we choose wrong today, they would kill the third Ordo we have left then it would be down to two wolves and two villagers. But then again if we get a wolf today......aaaahhhh That's risky!

[Mithalwen]

I am not sure how that helps...? btw ..I am back on Day one and Thinlomiebn seems to suspect FIrefoot and Valier and Sleepy ..... not particularly strongly... and of course she was not gifted...

I will hold off if I can but .... I am not yet convinced... the first day has lots of suspicions of my believed innocents (Jenny and Firefoot) which is very disconcerting.. it is hard to think I might have been so wrong so long (again) ..and again I can't stay late

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Valier

Maybe if Kitanna would allow a double lynch tonight we could get rid of Gandalf and our lynchee. Would that be wise? That would let the wolves win if we choose wrong today, they would kill the third Ordo we have left then it would be down to two wolves and two villagers. But then again if we get a wolf today......aaaahhhh That's risky!

Remember Jenny has 2 votes already Valier... the maths don't work unless Gandalf is summarily executed....does it... ?

[JennyHallu]

Ok, fellow Villagers, we are coming down to the wire, and the majority of us have not yet voted. Here is the original list of the inhabitants of this village. I am placing the living in bold, known innocents are underlined, and the Wolvish one we have discovered I will italize.

The Players
1) Thinlómien ~ Penguin-fisher (Night 1)
2) JennyHallu ~ Friendly neighborhood tax collector
3) Eonwe ~ Hermit
4) Wilwarin ~ Mathematics professor (Day 1)
5) Sleepy Ranger ~ Messiah of Rock 'n' Roll (Day 2)
6) Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
7) Roa_Aoife ~ Local protestor/ lobbyist (Day 3)
8) Valier ~ Dance instructor
9) Nogrod ~ Pipe-weed grower (Night 3)
10) Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
11) Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
12) Folwren ~ Seamstress (Night 2)
13) Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

So...In descending order of suspiciousness (yes, this is a subjective list), here are our remaining Villagers.

JennyHallu and Eonwe: I know I am innocent, and hope you believe me. We all know Eonwe is innocent. 'Nuff said.

Valier: I believe that Roa's vote for her at the beginning of Day 2 declared her innocence for all to see. Mith believes her innocent for a different reason. We seem to be in agreement that while Valier has played carelessly, she is an ordinary villager, as confused as the rest of us.

Mithalwen: I honestly don't have any particular evidence to lay before you, but I have had a feeling from Mith's firsts posts that she was innocent. She has been honest, consistent, and helpful.

Gandalf: Probably innocent, but annoying. If he's innocent, we could use his help. I don't think we should get him lynched though. Dead weight or not, he's a brick in the rather low wall we have between ourselves and a Wolvish victory, especially since there are so few of us left.

Elu: I don't have any more reasoning than with Mith. I don't trust him. He has posted rarely, and voted with little explanation.

Firefoot: I think Firefoot is an excellent wolf. I think she has played us like a well-tuned piano in the hands of a skillful musician. She has baffled us, spun us around, and somehow almost completely escaped suspicion. I am almost sure that Firefoot is fuzzy.

Will wait to vote however, but that's the long and short of it right now, to my mind.

[JennyHallu]

Cross posted with Valier and Mith.

I understand that Thinlomian's mistrust was rather random, but why didn't Firefoot mention it? She mentioned all three other names...

And Firefoot admitted that her contradictory posts were deliberate. Why would a villager use deceitfulness, even to start discussion?

[Mithalwen]

I didn't quite say I thought Valier was innocent...but I am certainly less sure of her guilt.... her early posts are not improving on rereading though....

[JennyHallu]

I am afraid of what happens if the Ordos split their vote. I am convinced that at least Firefoot is a very very tricksy wolf, and that Elu is likely the other. If I'm right, then we four (Valier, Eonwe, Mith, and myself) are all ordinary villagers, and need to stick together in order to keep from lynching one of ourselves.

[Valier]

I agree with you Jenny!

So the time draws awfully near....

[JennyHallu]

I say we should vote for Firefoot. Any takers?

[Valier]

I will take that Jenny be it wrong or not ...We will soon find out.

++ Firefoot

[Mithalwen]

I am sorry but Gandalf is still bugging me.... his self vote has removed him for all consideration but mine and Eonwe telling me to hold off....

[JennyHallu]

Well there is little time left. I hope that I am not wrong, and that I have been able to convince Mith and Eonwe enough that they shall vote with me.

On the plus side, if I'm right, Eonwe may survive another night.

[JennyHallu]

Whoops...forgot to actually vote in that last post...

++FirePaw

If he's not going to be back, Mith, no point voting for him. Eonwe made good sense with that.

[Valier]

please villagers lets vote four strong!

[Mithalwen]

If Firefoot is a wolf why does she defend Roa?

[Eonwe]

I say we vote for Jenny. Any takers...?

What you just said has thrown me far out of your favor. I don't like how you picked up on Firefoot not mentioning Lommy's suspicion of her. I believe that was mentioned by someone else earier, if I'm not mistaken. Sometimes it is best not to react at all. I myself use that ploy allot. If you react, it is many time worse, because peole say "Oh, look how much he reacted, he's got to be a wolf!"

And the way Valier is behaving, I don't like at all. I would say you are working together, but it is a far to blatant manner, for this stage of the game. (Villagers are still ahead by a deasent, albiet, narrowing, margen.)

[Mithalwen]

Post 158 ......

Oh blimey I have to choose between the two I thought most likely innocent ...aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......

Where is Eonwe...I want to know about Gandalf....

[Eonwe]

I would need to vote, wouldn't I?

++Jenny

If Firefoot gets lynched, you'd best lynch Jenny and Valier in quick sucsesion, Mith...

[JennyHallu]

In defending Roa, she attacked the seer, after he admitted his seerhood. Frankly I think that was a mistake on Firefoot's part.

[Eonwe]

Ok about Gandalf:

It looks to me like he's out of the running. Would a wolf do that? And if a wolf was out, would he vote for himself. He could use his damage in a much better way, it seems to me.

Look, lets all agree we should send him to the Void and see if Kitanna will do it for us. I think that is the best solution.

[JennyHallu]

It doesn't matter now, Mith. I am dead. No double lynches remember? And you are the only one who hasn't voted.

I am sorry, guys, but I am INNOCENT. Please take Firefoot out...she's manipulating you all!! Why am I the only one to see it???

[Mithalwen]

Seeing as it makes no odds ..... I will go with conscience

++ Gandalf

[Eonwe]

Not so Jenny: nobody said Nogrod is teh seer just cuz he said so. I myself had great doubts about Nogrod, especially when he named teh hunter (dead) and me as innocents. That was very worriesome. NOTE: see my first post today for referenses on my relief when he died. No offense intended to his great memory.

[Eonwe]

PS. Firefoot....my goodness, you best not be a wolf...

[Eonwe]

Good luck everyone...Bear yourselves well, and may we meet again in happier times...I'll hold them off as long as I can...

[JennyHallu]

Thanks for your support today, Valier.

If you're a wolf I'll eat my hat. Or better yet, I will make you eat it.

[Valier]

You have nothing to worry about from me Jenny!

[Kitanna]

Voting closed, expect Jenny's death soon.

[Kitanna]

After the success from yesterday, the villagers were confident they had bagged another wolf. JennyHallu was a wolf, no doubt about it.

“But,” Jenny protested as the others dragged her to the town center, “But what did I ever do to you? Eonwe, remember when I let you skip a few dollars on your taxes when you didn’t have the money? Or Valier, I helped you get that loan to start your dance school. I have been nothing, but nice to the people of this town!”

“Shut up, wolf!” Gandalf snapped.

Jenny was shaking with fear as she saw what was in store for her. The once peaceful villagers of Squaresville were going to burn her at the stake. The tax collector begged and pleaded. But it was all lost.

They tied her to the stake and Mithalwen brought out the torch. “Any last words, wolf?”

“You’ll all live to regret this!” Jenny snapped and the torch was thrown at her feet.

The fire consumed her. As her flesh burned it sent up the most horrendous smell anyone had ever imagined. But Jenny did not change; she just hung there screaming in agony. She was no wolf. The villagers watched, filled with regret, as Jenny died.

Eventually the fire burned out and Jenny’s ashes were blown by a strong southern wind, but that didn’t help the villagers. Time was running out for them.

LIVING
Eonwe ~ Hermit
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three
Nogrod (seer) ~ Beheaded and made an example of on Night Four
JennyHallu (ordo) ~ Burned at the stake on Day Four

[Kitanna]

It was a night of confusion for all involved. The villagers assembled as always and found that the hermit, Eonwe was not amoung them. The few that remained headed toward Eonwe’s house on the outskirts of town.

Eonwe was nowhere to be found, but a feast had been laid out for them. A note on the table simply stated, “For my friends”. At first no one spoke, Elu Ancalime went to search the rest of the house while the other four eyed the feast.

“It sure smells good,” Valier stated.

Gandalf nodded and picked up a plate. He helped himself to a delicious looking piece of meat. The others each picked up a plate and watched nervously as Gandalf took a bite. “Well, it tastes fine.”

Elu burst into the room, “Don’t eat any more of that!”

“Why not?” Mithalwen inquired.

“Because that feast is Eonwe!”

All eyes turned to Gandalf who was turning a lovely shade of green. He quickly ran out and proceeded to vomit up the bits of Eonwe he had just ingested.

LIVING
Firefoot ~ Person who runs the stables
Valier ~ Dance instructor
Elu Ancalime ~ Brass Musician
Gandalf_the _white ~ Magician
Mithalwen ~ Baker/confectioner

DEAD
Kitanna (mod)~ Stabbed with a letter opener on Night One
Wilwarin (hunter)~ Flogged to death on Day One
Thinlómien (ordo) ~ Dropped dead from fright on Night Two
Sleepy Ranger (ordo) ~ Eaten by penguins on Day Two
Folwren (ranger) ~ Sewed shut and run through on Night Three
Roa_Aoife (werewolf) ~ Tortured Prometheus style on Day Three
Nogrod (seer) ~ Beheaded and made an example of on Night Four
JennyHallu (ordo) ~ Burned at the stake on Day Four
Eonwe (ordo) ~ Made into a feast on Night Five

[Valier]

Well I can't say that Eonwe's death came as a surprise. But his vote for Jenny, sealing her fate was. And Mith what was up with your vote for Gandalf? I know you have never let him "slide" but was it necessary for him to go yesterday. Jenny's theory's have been eye opening. I believe Firefoot to be a wolf. I am still slightly undecided as to who is the last one. I am leaning still towards Elu. Mith your vote baffled me. I would like to hear discussion from everyone today! We have little time left before they have slain us all! And I for one am not willing to let this happen! Wolves beware!

[Firefoot]

Well. I was wrong, then. Ouch. I dare say we're in trouble... one more mistake and the wolves win... and I seem to have dug myself a bit of a hole, somehow. Since I was not here to respond to those accusations against me yesterday, I will try to do so now.

I understand that Thinlomian's mistrust was rather random, but why didn't Firefoot mention it? She mentioned all three other names...

This may have been an oversight. I was not ignoring it; I did mention her suspicion (I may have put it as confusion, since that seems to me more of what it is) in my analysis in post 80 (I think. It's at the bottom of the page - the first lengthy analysis that I did). I didn't do it on purpose - many of you probably won't believe that, though...

And Firefoot admitted that her contradictory posts were deliberate. Why would a villager use deceitfulness, even to start discussion?

Deceitfulness? I do not think I was being deceitful. I was putting options out there to discuss. Here are the posts in question:

Strategies can be discussed, of course, but it seems to me that there really aren't any good strategies for catching wolves, not this early on. The best way seems to be for everyone to speak up frequently, contribute thoughts, and then everyone vote for the one who seems most wolvish to them, leaving us with a clean voting record for future reference. Hardly a high-tech plan, but it seems to be the one that would work the best. Other people may propose them, of course, and even if they are not used, they will at least give us something to talk about on this first day when evidence seems so slim.

This is my "this is what I think should be done" post.

A day already fated to be rather unproductive is growing more and more so by everyone's silence... I sure hope posting does pick up here soon or when I vote in the morning it may just be for someone who hasn't posted because at this rate it's going to have to be random anyway because no one really seems to be posting.

And if that's going to be the way it is, voting will undoubtedly be all spread out and of little use anyway. I'd like to suggest limiting the voting in some way, except that seems likely to narrow our chances of bagging a wolf. But... what if we were to just pick four random people off the list and say "vote for one of them" - just to narrow our results?

If nothing else, I'd like to generate a bit of discussion here, see where it leads. Thoughts?

Note the change in tone: "what if we did this?" I was not trying to imply that I thought this was the way we should go. I was getting pretty desperate and wanted to try and put some material out there to discuss.

Simply having everyone vote for the last contributor would not be the best plan, I do not think. For one thing, it creates an automatic bandwagon and Day 2 becomes almost as useless as Day 1, because if s/he is innocent, both wolves and innocents will have voted for him/her and there will be no discrimination. The wolves can hide easily in this scenario. The same works if s/he is a wolf. I would much rather see spread out votes than everyone voting for the same person. Additionally, some people will have to vote much earlier than others, so the last person who contributes may not have contributed by the time the first person votes.

You'll note that I have gone back to my original strategy.

I've already explained this, though.

In defending Roa, she attacked the seer, after he admitted his seerhood. Frankly I think that was a mistake on Firefoot's part.

No, I didn't. Go look: bottom of page 6-top of page 7.

I would ask you all that when you make accusations against people you use quotes from their posts to back up what you're saying. This has happened a lot this game, where people say things even though they're not actually correct. Jenny's suspicion of me seems to have been primarily knee-jerk. She only had two real pieces of evidence against me, and one of those I have already explained.

Moving on.

Yesterday's voting:

Jenny – 3 (Elu 1, Firefoot 3, Eonwe 6)
Gandalf – 2 (Gandalf 2, Mithalwen 7)
Firefoot – 2 (Valier 4, Jenny 5)

Valier is thoroughly confusing me. I had thought her innocent because of her continued tiff with Roa, but now I'm wondering if that might not be so. This flip-flop confuses me a little:

I ve read through Firefoots posts and they all make sense to me ...My suspision of her is weakening.

...about half an hour later, after Jenny posted her suspicions of me...

them woves are crafty I say! Firefoot has made me suspisious for awhile but I was having a hard time putting my finger on why. Some thing has been screaming at me saying, "she wants you to trust her" Her posts almost sound too reasonable sometimes and in the back of my brain it's telling me She's posting what we want to hear.

Right...

Mithalwen I would like to believe is innocent, but I'm still wavering. I'm willing to trust her explanation of why she did not vote, and it seems true enough to form. Also, if she was a wolf, her no-vote would be even more strange than it already seems - the vote was looking to be close, and one of the candidates was a wolf - would not a fellow wolf be much more concerned over the outcome of the vote? I'm not sure about her vote for Gandalf, though at that point the vote was sealed anyway. As an innocent she may have just been going the safest way for the one she thought most guilty-seeming, but as a wolf she may have recognized that both Jenny and I were innocent and chose not to vote for either of us. (I know, I know, you don't have any proof except my word that I'm innocent.) Over all, I'm still thinking that Mith is probably innocent.

Gandalf I am just not sure about. I think my mistake in considering him is that I have assumed that most people who sign up actually care about this game. I have assumed that he may be innocent because a wolf would care more about the vote, that it would matter more as they would want to manipulate it. I don't think that he does care. Which doesn't tell us anything more except that he might be either innocent or wolf but we have no way of telling. Since we do have two wolves left, I do not think that lynching him is our best bet. It is a fifty-fifty chance at best.

Elu, unfortunately like me, had to vote early yesterday, so not as much can be gleaned from his vote as some of the others. With the situation where it is, he is rather in the middle of the sea-saw - I'd like to say he is innocent but there just aren't enough people left for me to clear him.

So in order of suspicion:
Valier
Gandalf??
Elu
Mithalwen

[Firefoot]

Did I scare you all away? Come on, people... if people are going to accuse me, I'd like to actually have time to respond, but at this rate I'll vote and leave and then you all are going to come on and start voting for me.

If I sound frustrated, that's because I am. This is going to be our last chance to catch a wolf, and I'm probably going to have to vote before most of you say a thing. I'm getting tired of this whole quiet routine.

Okay, maybe that's kind of harsh, I know the rest of you have time constraints as well. I'm just frustrated.

[Elu Ancalime]

Well I finally got to a comp....Eonwe huh? Well, Nogrod warned him i guess.....grr. No really Arghh x 10 to da 4th. Gone again, probably wont be back until Chem is over, which is late tomorrow.

So anyway, besides the usual, I took Eonwe's comment about Valier. Eonwe wasnt gifted, but the fact he was proven innocent stands clearer in my mind. But mainly what Firefoot said about Roa voting for Valier on the 2nd day; when its early, a first vote dosnt matter as much if its single, so dont count on it. I don tknow how much will come out of Mith right now(different timezone based on gameplay i guess)And I think Valiers around.

Well, I probably will only be able to be on for little more than half an hour...
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[Mithalwen]

OK I post when I can - I am ont eh other side of the world (I think) and have a job...

As for my vote.. you know youwere choosing between my least suspected...my own choice was to get rid of the uncertainty of Gandalf..and we could have eben no worse of.... Eonwe just got in before me... when I saw it didn't matter.. I went with my own choice not a tag-on......

[Firefoot]

++Valier

As I said I would...

[Mithalwen]

I was not convinced of your guilt last night Firefoot and I am not convinced now. I think your defence of Roa even when you suspected Nogrod was the seer was too rash for a fellow wolf to chance.

I have thought Valier has underplayed all along and if she was not gifted that was wolfish. Her defence of Jenny last night started to allay doubts but I think one of you and Gandalf are likely wolves.

So I have to choose between you and Valier and I choose

++Valier

[Valier]

Well since you think I am a wolf and there are two votes for me that leaves who Gandalf (unlikly to appear) and Elu who also thinks I'm the wolf. Well I will take this as my deathday then! since I am unable to defend myself against you clever wolves I bid you adou! I only wanted the best for our village!

But I must say to you all that I would rather die by my own hands then by them sneaky, hairy wolfie ones! So long village! May all your bodies rot in the sun, while the scavengers pick your bones dry!!!!!!

++Valier

Goodbye sweet world!!!! Oh yeah....., you shall all rue this day!!

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Valier

Well since you think I am a wolf and there are two votes for me that leaves who Gandalf (unlikly to appear) and Elu who also thinks I'm the wolf. Well I will take this as my deathday then! since I am unable to defend myself against you clever wolves I bid you adou! I only wanted the best for our village!

But I must say to you all that I would rather die by my own hands then by them sneaky, hairy wolfie ones! So long village! May all your bodies rot in the sun, while the scavengers pick your bones dry!!!!!!

++Valier

Goodbye sweet world!!!! Oh yeah....., you shall all rue this day!!

Maybe not ALL