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06-28-2011, 01:52 PM | #241 |
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Now after all that writing, I can finally take a breath and decide what to think of Nog.
To add to the things above, he only "noticed" Lottie's "slip" after Shasta's analysis. And he was the last one to vote Lottie. Despite that, he does not give me a bad gut-feeling, and at most of the time is quite reasonable. Edit: xed with Nog. You're not the only one with a computer like that! (mine ate an extremely long post yesterday...)
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06-28-2011, 01:55 PM | #242 |
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Oh right I can't remember playing with him before.... I dont'know who I will vote for yet. But time marches on and I suppose I can't drip around all day, I certainly agree with you about Nerwen, I have never ever been able to "read" her in were wolf. I don't like the non-votes (from anyone) but I realise she is a bit isolated by time zone. But when she is around she is very perceptive. However I she is like that as a wolf too. But my not trusting my judgement on something isn't enough. So not Nerwen.
I am not sure I am unsuspicious of Sally. not saying will vote her again but there is something peculiar with this Galadriel Loslote Sally triangle.
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06-28-2011, 02:01 PM | #243 |
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Crossed since Greenie.... Eomer ? Reasons? In her list she suspects him mainly due to something Lommie said. *wrinkles nose* Maybe she is anti knights errant. Or a throw away?
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06-28-2011, 02:29 PM | #245 |
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[QUOTE=Eomer of the Rohirrim;657707]The G55/ Loslote relationship is interesting.
I shouldn't let my suspicions of G55 conceal the likelihood that the evil Loslote voted for an innocent villager on Day One. So you've definitely got that going for you. QUOTE] Loslote didn't actually vote though did she? I can't see it and Nilp hasn't listed it. Not that I am not listed out atm. I may vote for the most annoying listmaker at the moment if you haven't gone definitively Greenie
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A few thing on the Lottie / Kit issue - and to answer some questions by G55.
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But unlike some people have interpreted it here (even if I thought I made it quite clear yesterDay), it was not just or only that she said that she was unaware Kit was playing, but the added sentence. Let me quote it once more (bolding mine) Quote:
Okay, I'm quoting myself from the last minutes of yesterDay now: Quote:
About Kit's first posts still aka. why I thought them suspicious. I think Lommy summed it up nicely in a post after mine: Quote:
And G55, you say Kit was not doing what I said she was, as you were Kit's "first case" (and I think someone else commented on that as well, that she made other points as well). That's not the point. She did make a few short points on several people in her few first posts (before logging out for some time), but it was clear she had used all her energies going through the posts of two Lottie-lynchers (Lommy & Legate) which hardly seems the innocent's way of best using one's limited energies... And add to that that her analysis on Lommy looked like she was really hard trying to find something suspicious from there. Okay. Enough of that now. I'll take a short break and then delve into Kit / Lottie relationship (did anyone suggest something Lottie could have gotten jumpy?). And if in the meantime no one looks whether anyone tried to talk or vote Lottie off the noose, then I'll check that next.
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06-28-2011, 03:00 PM | #248 |
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Well she was talking about it alot - but no action. I thought I was going mad looking for it OK may be too late to worry about going mad...
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Reading through the thread (thankfully a short one) just reinforces my trust for Nog-kun and Lommy-chan. And my forehead crinkles at those who continue to analyse them. A widdle weply before a more thorough perusal: Quote:
Maybe someone will just up and say, 'I'm the Ranger'? Or use strange icons in their posts?
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06-28-2011, 03:20 PM | #250 |
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I'll have to vote a bit early toDay (about 1.5 hour from now), and considering that during the last hour you get the most writing, I'll have to vote without that information (which may come in useful). Unless something happens while I'm still here to change my opinion, I'll be voting one of those in my Orange category.
Edit: xed with Nilp. *goes to read his post very carefully *
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You don't want the Ranger to do that, do you?... Oh my. This post of yours slipped past my brain just like the others without leaving anything behind. *rereads very thoroughly* Still no impression on Nilp. I'll have to reread all your posts carefully before I go for toDay.
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06-28-2011, 03:31 PM | #252 |
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A few notes from reading the thread.
It does look like Kit really was building mountains out of molehills with her cases against Sally and Bom. And later it seems she is actually saying that Bom is suspicious for real! That makes me suspect her a lot more. On the other front, Lottie made both of her cases of not knowing Kit was playing before there were suspicions of the two being in cahoots (if there ever were ones), and basically before anyone had suspected herself the first time. Some had questioned Kit at that point though. The way a known wolf Lottie tries to suspect G55 makes me think G55 more innocent than not.
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06-28-2011, 03:33 PM | #253 |
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Off to bed now so here are my thoughts for posterity.
G55 and Sally top two suspects. Both act suspiciously and defensively; G55 perhaps more so, independently, but Sally is incriminated by some of this behaviour. They are also the two top posters in the thread: it sometimes seems as though they're trying to drown out opposing voices by sheer volume of words. Kitanna interests me but I lean toward giving her the benefit of the doubt. I certainly want to see the twain named above hanging from the gallows before Kit. In the spirit of simplicity the Loslote voters are fine and probably innocent. Legate and Nogrod post well and sensibly. Lommy seems innocent to me, as does Greenie actually. Must be a family thing. Everyone else worries me immensely - especially that tom-fool Nilpaurion. Trust him not, I say!
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Eh, I suppose.
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I've never done it myself (having lasted only a DAY as a Ranger, and never as a Hunter), but some do it because . . . I dunno. Something to reinforce a reveal (and ward off counter-reveals)? Something for smart Ordos to consider? (A risky proposition since there have also been instances, wow, of smart baddies.) In any case it has been done.
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06-28-2011, 03:47 PM | #255 |
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Back and reading.
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Greenie's vote came totally out of the green. (Bad pun I know. ) edit: xed with G55
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Nice to see people have been busy with posting, even though it meant digging through several layers of posts for me to reach the present...
Generally, I am getting bad feeling about Eomer from his initial posts of this Day. He goes with this "merry-go-somethingsomething" attitude, sort of floating through the flow without raising too much controversy, notice, suspicion, or anything like that. A bit too careful for my taste and all that. Quote:
Also, her analysis of Mith is somewhat strange. It feels odd, this listing half of "nothing to say" posts, then saying all this stuff about "there being something fiendish" (not really specifying what?). She also seems to be "spreading the nets", so to say - with her general approach: first continuing in questioning G55, then Mith, then in the very same post saying that at least one Wolf might be a submarine... I think I really should reread her posts, if I can. Quote:
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I like it that Gal has accepted my colour-scheme, by the way EDIT: intentionally x-ed since Nog on this page, I am losing focus with too many thoughts to process - going to continue further on in a separate post...
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After I asked Lottie about why she made the point of telling us she didn't know Kit was playing, she answered:
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Now if this is not something very stupid by a werewolf (I think I remember some werewolves doing some such things as aiding to catch of their mates a few times *CoughGlirdanCough* ), then what a devillish plan is this? To cast Kit into a bad light - well why her? Because Sally is a wolf as well? Okay, now my brain hurts as well. Looking at the votes yesterDay it looks like all the votes made after Lottie came under some real scrutiny were given to her, except those of: - Mith to Sally (put Sally in the lead with 2 votes) - G55 to Lommy (a throw-out vote, when Lottie led 3-2 over Sally) - Nilp to Nilp (a throw-out vote, when Lottie led 4-2 over Sally) So? Blah...
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see post 240
Do try to keep up
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06-28-2011, 04:21 PM | #261 |
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If this was Facebook I would have pushed the "Like"-button...
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Nerwen: The not-so-wall post.
So I've decided to look at those I have no read on (Nerwen, G55, Sally, Bom) and started with the second-least poster of the quartet.
29: A Bom proby thing. It was the only in-game-like thing at that point. 190: Her explanation of 'why Shasta was killed'. Could be seen as a 'why we killed him' thing, but I suppose that were she evil could have gone with 'a good many players seemed ready to defend/suspect others at the drop of a hat.' (Except that Shasta did that with Sally. Hmm.) 196: Seems assured of G55's innocence (by way of logic--twice.) A sensible argument. 208: First part analyses cursorily the Lottie-Kit dynamic (or lack thereof). I think she seems to see that there is one. Second part: Quote:
211: Not terribly fond of the "good-votes-are-bad-ones" idea. (I agree with that sentiment--I generally trust the good-vote-people unless the Seer gainsays me or they do something 'Eh?'-like.) Although she adds some doubt of Lommy-chan and Nog-kun in her second paragraph. (But then she ends with a 'Nah, unlikely.') 255 Quote:
CONCLUSIONS: No vote DAY 1--well, she suffers from timezonitis like I do. Sensible and logical, which could go either way. Has been helpful in some points, which points to good. Only think I can say is I won't vote for her toDAY.
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Really if circumstances didn't make her look innocent, Lommie would look quite guilty! She has admitted her vote was lazy, she has done vague lists saying she can't get a handle on people and generally seems disconnected. Yet her vote pretty much clears her. Funny old game.
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06-28-2011, 04:31 PM | #264 |
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Umm. Anyone else think Lottie-Kit-Eomer is a possible combination?
I'm just thinking of Eomer's rather intense focus on Sally and G55 toDay; it looks sort of like he might be trying to steer the discussion away from Kit– and there's also the way he explains her "innocence" comment about Lommy at #218 and #219. Now, I actually think, whatever Kit is, that the misinterpretation was quite genuine– but all the same this could be a wolf trying to help out a comrade. Against this view is the fact that Eomer tends to be quite a single-minded sort of player anyway, and perhaps a bit of a "white knight". Thoughts? EDIT: X'd with a Nilp and a Mith.
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Okay, not that much to process from the last few posts, or at least not anything that I feel needs to be replied right now. So I have reread Kit's posts. I think now in retrospect, her initial reaction to Sally ("I have to die...") really looks odd - it looks like jumping on the first chance to accuse somebody (Sally and Bom, in this case). Then again, the rest of her posts relating to that do not seem as bad, and might as well reflect her genuine thoughts - as in:
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However, in the end, Kit behaves quite systematically, I think - a lot like an ordo who had missed a big part of yesterDay and now is trying all possibilities to determine what to do. I would put her into my yellow zone or something, but she is not really that suspicious to go anywhere too deep.
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06-28-2011, 04:42 PM | #267 |
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I'm trying to get to sleep earlier than D1 as I need to wake up earlier.
So some exclusions to start with. I'm very probably not going to vote (unless something major happens in the near future) Lommy & Legate: they have been sensible, made good points and lynched Lottiewolf. G55: Lottie's consistent suspicions on her on D1 would have been too daring to be a wolf-on-wolf. Bom: His first post was a joke and I doubt a relatively-newbie wolf would be that uninterested... Well, that's not much. Probably not going to vote for Nerwen either. It makes me feel uneasy giving her this pass but I have no time to check her better - and she is a good one if a good one, if you know what I mean. So she's not one we should just try out having to just lynch a random person. Also I'm not probably going to vote for Nilp as he's just too weird and thoughtful at the same time. It would require more to vote him. I have some gut-based doubts about Greenie and Eomer. I do think Sally or Kit could be a baddie, and there would be reasons to suspect both of them, but both of them are not wolves - or not probably. Mith is the only one who could be said of trying to steer the vote in the direction of saving Lottie. Actually she made her vote a bit early - a relative concept - which could be seen as trying to steer the vote if she is a wolf as there were four people with one vote at that time and Lottie had just started to gather suspicion. Also she made the vote but still stayed around, like she thought the early timing was important? After all I can't recall (or imagine) her (or anyone) being so sure of the vote on D1 that it could be cast that way and then stay around looking at the outcome... Hmmph. EDIT: Whoops! X'd with a host of posts...
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I'm getting strange vibes from Nerwen. She seems to be playing very very carefully, avoiding too blunt statements one way or the other and sort of hovering around the edges of the village and voicing suspicion for different people and then always disappearing back to the shadows... or that's the mental image I get.
Currently contemplationg going to bed and thinking of voting Kit (like I said, the suspicious thing is that her mindset seems more wolvish than innocent if I try to read between the lines). My other options are Nerwen and Mith, but I have even less "evidence" against them than against Kit, plus somehow Mith started to look better and the only thing I really have against Nerwen is that she's too careful and a little creepy.
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Nogrod, you of all people should know how I feel about last minute voting. I don't call half an hour before deadline early. Better to steer where you believe someone guilty than follow ....
Anyway the indisposition of last night means I am tired now ... same vote, same reasons - generally all over the place. ++Satansaloser
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Argh. No new developments that I've really noticed - I didn't have a chance to start my read-through at the time I planned and so had to do a rather rushed and still not-quite-complete one - just considering of Day One suspicions. Honestly, if I'm going to be this bad about time I should just drop out or something . Anyway, throwaway vote:
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Sally has provided a convenient "ordo reveal" on Day 1 with ten days until she actually would have to withdraw. She became terrified of Galadriel's defense of her, using the words "scarily supportive" and this stance has been kept up into the beginning of Day 2. She took more effort to try to push a seemingly harmless remark away than Galadriel did in making it. She has hidden behind jokes and ramblings while attacking mostly those who have questioned her or defended her. Since my second post I said I didn't trust her and I didn't flipflop about that. True, I found Bom more suspicious at first, but he completely stopped talking, Sally didn't. And with every post I doubted her more and more.
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Anyways, time to vote really soon for me. Bom still hasn't made his promised appearance. I will probably be voting for Kit. She's the highest on my suspect list up to now. Edit: xed since Lommy. You have come, Bom!
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Welcome back, Mr Tombadillo!
For good or ill, I'd hardly call that a throwaway. You've surely noticed others are considering voting Kitanna? EDIT:X'd with Kit and G55.
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GREEN ZONE
Nogrod - looks fine this far. Lommy - not really any change from what I have said about her before. Looks fine to me, and the Lottie-lynch still clears her more or less, I'd say. Nerwen - seems genuine with her posting (ai, ai. This does not look good.) YELLOW ZONE Kitanna - what I said above. Not too suspicious after all after reread. Sally - not enough data right now, I'm afraid. Nilp - looks more or less okay, the only thing that made me suspect him for a brief moment was the sort of "exchange" with Gal (but it was more like from Gal's part) with her merrily commenting on his posts and concluding that she cannot say anything about him (as in: "We've had a nice chat at Night, but should not continue in daylight."). Otherwise, no problem except for him calling Nogrod "kun" (reminds me of the old saying "If you call a whale 'little one', you probably have a 'big' problem." Or: dear students, please bear in mind that there's a difference between 'kun' and 'Exar Kun'.) Greenie - there aren't too many of her posts, or not too much she has to say, but I don't see anything particularly eyebrow-rising nor anything particularly obviously-innocentish. Mithalwen - is totally under the radar now. Like totally. Almost would make it back into the "reset" and grey zone. I should watch her from now on, but I think the problem is that there is veeery little to see even then, looking at her posts. ORANGE ZONE G55 - now with questionmarks hovering over her, moving her into the orange zone. Eomer - actually now I am rather wary of him, like I said above. Is one of those I might vote for toDay. RED ZONE vacant right now, but waiting for some good candidates from the above GREY ZONE Bom - so, shall there be input? EDIT: x-ed with a host of votes!!!
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06-28-2011, 05:04 PM | #277 |
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If Lottie's behaviour in certain respects had anything to do with Kit being her mate... like she said it twice and defended by saying she just thought to mention that in passing... An odd kind of random behaviour by Lottie (possible), a bad way of trying to disengage herself with Kit-mate (possible), a complex master-plan trying to make Kit suspicious in case at the later time Lottie would be lynched (very improbable)...
Kit has made some real effort, but some major parts of it look suspicious: like suspecting Sally & Bom for real on D1 because of those early posts (and insisting on them), or using most of her energies toDay in hunting the wolf-lynchers... I mean Sally looks somewhat suspicious, but not on the basis of her early posts of D1. Mith is the only person one could say might have tried to sway the voting away from Lottie yesterDay - and doing it in time as to not rouse too many suspicions. That's where I think my vote would stem from. Soonish, as I really have to get to sleep (2AM and wake-up at 8AM). EDIT: Blah, X'd with a host again...
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I was going to call him a liar...but ya know. Your way sounds better.
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Creepy, says I. (See above.)
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Mith now starts to raise my attention, seriously, also with her vote. What is the tally now? I wonder if it's a throwaway or whatever...
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06-28-2011, 05:11 PM | #280 |
Wight
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Behind you . . . . BOO!
Posts: 222
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Waiiiiit . . . 6:00 my time ISN'T the DL? Bugger. I honestly thought I had to vote by then . . . sorry, Kitanna.
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