WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

*cough**cough* Nogrod = non-native speaker. Just so you know. Besides, Lottie, not everyone's an English major...

Erm...yeah...didn't know that one. The wording makes more sense now...

EDIT: xed with Inzil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I've also been meaning to mention...

The sled-dogs?! HOW COULD YOU?! I swear to you, someone's head will roll for this...



X'd with Inzil and Loslote (who I think I'm going to call "Lostie" from now on, because I keep seeing "Lost One" when I look at her name really fast.)

[Mnemosyne]

Nog, since you've stated your criticisms twice about me I feel justified in responding:

yesterDay I was aware that both Inzil and Pitch were vaguely under suspicion by a number of people. When I went back and read through, though, the impressions that I was getting from everyone else were pretty well-balanced, i.e., no one seemed to be more suspected than the other (toDay, however, Pitch seems to have pulled ahead, probably due to his "bandwaggonish" vote yesterday). I had no time left before my next class and simply got to my "screw it" point and flipped a coin. Make of that what you will.

As for my not suspecting people loudly enough, call it my writer's instincts. I naturally tend to trust people and see things from as many sides as possible. The reason I lurked on Werewolf games so long and was able to continue enjoying myself is that I couldn't ever tell who anyone was (I was very proud of myself when I first realized, on the very last day of the game, that Sauce was a wolf... This was the first time I had ever identified anyone). Even when I analyze people, it tends to be what this says about me and not what it says about the player, because I actually know myself and how I think!

Go ahead and suspect me because of my vote yesterDay. I completely deserve that, because I should have taken a few deep breaths and thought things over some more. But finding me suspicious because of who I am as a reader of the gamethread and as a player makes me just a tad bit sad.

No different than automatically suspecting loudmouths or quiet people, though, I suppose.

[Loslote]

Looking at Lommy.

Post 1: She is busy, won't be able to post much. She's happy to be playing.

List:

Inzil seems okay but she doesn't want to jump to conclusions.
Mnemosyne she distrusts.
Boromir88 she thinks is acting strangely but not suspiciously.
Eomer hasn't been around.
Me : she thought I could be anything but said I was funny. (Thanks!)
Morsul she had no idea about.
Brinn seems normal; could be anything.
Pitchwife was funny and nice; Lommy thought maybe too nice.
Nienna she thought looked suspicious and didn't know why everyone was saying she wasn't.
Nogrod she thought was bantering too much to be quite normal.
Macalaure she makes reference to an old game.
sally she forgot to say anything about.
Thinlómien identifies herself and flies away. I'm guessing this was joking.
Nerwen is controversial; Lommy doesn't think she would be as a wolf.
Roa she thought was innocent.
Bes she appreciated seeing him, but wanted to see him more.
Shasta she thought seemed good.
wilwa hasn't been around.
Greenie was waiting on her.
tromkehra she wanted to see more out of character posts.

I have to go now, and won't be on again until toMorrow. So...

++Lommy

[Morsul the Dark]

Shastanis Althreduin
Now, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that I would have said "whether there is a cobbler" rather than "whether we have a cobbler". Honest mistake, slip of the tongue?

Is there really a difference?

and yet...

Shasta: Point against Nogrod. I don't see why something that could have just as easily been an honest mistake (and probably was - did anyone besides me see the very-last minute dropping and adding of people? First there were three wolves, then four, then three again, then four again, etc. ad.) has to be the be-all and end-all, Roa's guilty, case closed.

I've looked through Shasta's posts... She voted Inzil however...

I can't find any posts against Inzil only one strongly against Nogrod...

[Nerwen]

Loslote, why are are you voting Lommie? The list?

EDIT:X'd with Morsul.

[Morsul the Dark]

What I was wondering... But Personally at this point can't fault someone for an early vote... but a non-reasoned one...

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Morsul

odd to see someone call a vote for themselves reasonable.

In the sense that there were traceable reasons behind it and not anything obviously illogical/made up/etc.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I hate to further abuse a dead and gently rotting horse, but Mac, if your post wasn't 'better', how in blazes was mine more suspicious? How could the same not be said of you?

I don't like getting near that horse anymore, either, so shortly: yours seemed to be more serious than mine, giving an expectation of a lot of content.


I like it that Boro does a better job at defending me than I do.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Mac voted to save himself but his lists and overall being looks pretty suspicious, careful not to suspect too many people, careful to suspect only those who have been suspected already...

Call.
So far I've been able to see where people who suspected me came from, and I've been trying my best to explain why. I'm not suspecting any of them, except Pitch a little (less, in fact, considering that you and Mnemo are after him) and maybe Bes (depending on what he'll say when he comes back). However, what you say there makes no sense.

Careful not to suspect too many? That coming from someone who focused entirely on Roa for an entire Day. Yes, I didn't suspect half the expedition, but who did? I used to suspect / considered voting / am suspecting Inzil, Mnemo, Pitch, Sally, Lommy, Nerwen, Bes. Enough?
Careful to suspect only those who have been suspected already? I was the first to suspect Inzil, Nerwen, Pitch (I believe).

The point you mentioned earlier but didn't put in here was my attempt to categorise the reactions to Boro, something other people have been gnawing on long before you picked it up. One point you didn't come up with yourself and two that are sketchy, if not plain made up. The two are also horribly generic and designed to be thrown at people who are already suspected widely to make them look worse to their suspectors, who might be expected to be less critical about new accusations against their suspects.

It might have been that you only scanned my posts (yeah, I remember one post in which I didn't really suspect anybody, and did I only picked up one suspicioun (Mnemo) after considering other people's points), but considering how suspicious you have been of me all of toDay, and how often you refer to me in other people's suspicion comments, I won't buy that. Talking of which - you seem to take my guilt for granted when judging other people. I know you're smarter than that, so I assume wolvish insincerity.


Shall I apologise for mostly focusing on comments on myself today? The thing is, the only bit of knowledge I have is my own innocence. Comments about myself (and you have to admit, there's plenty of 'em) are the only things that I can draw any conclusions from.

That reminds me, an analysis of how people dealt with Roa is due. And the close look at Pitch and Mnemo. Not sure I'll get to all of that before bedtime.

edit: crossed since mnemo

[Morsul the Dark]

Loslote: Lommy seems suspicious, but I have no reason for it.

Really, I think only Nog, Lommy, and Bes look at all wolvish to me. I suppose Morsul, Mnemo, or Pitchie could also be wolves, but I seriously don't have any reasons.

(About Nog)

This again: the post is manipulative and confusing. "It's one of those things a player is not allowed to produce evidence for" - that's where Roa thought he was trying to hint that he was a seer. One of the other gifteds could fit here, too - and we know that Roa wasn't trying to mislead us now.

Loslote like Shasta makes a point against Nogrod but then makes a vote for someone else

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Loslote, why are are you voting Lommie? The list?

She did say, in 223 I think, that Lommy looked evil, but gave no reason why.
I really want to look at someone besides Mac for a while, and that vote does look somewhat sly to me.

x/d with Morsul, who brought up the same thing.

[tromkehra]

I'm sorry I haven't been able to make good discussion on my thoughts of the matter. Have a couple problems one I'm a terribly slow reader and can't skim to save my life. Takes me almost an hour to get through one page.

Two most of the day I'm either sleeping or working, I'm usually in bed so lol I hope I don't fall asleep at the key board (Done it before.) Working hours I get up at 6:30 a.m. to try and look through the forum a little bit before 7:30 to get to work and get home around 6:00 at night. So sadly enough the DL goes right past me, and I can't get on while on my break because I do not have a laptop, and the school that I work for doesn't trust the assistant teachers enough with the computers to not look up porn.

I honestly will try and give thoughts once I'm done reading. Apologies again, and also for the noobieness. My brother had to remind me this isn't DnD.

[Bes]

In breif, while I try to force myself to ignore my e-mail client (alerting me every time there's a new post), more on why I voted for Mac yesterDay:

Someone by now has probably noticed that it was 10 minutes before deadline when I posted (give or take a minute, I don't have the post in front of me right now). I also said openly that I wasn't putting near the thought/effort into it that I probably should have. Basically, I skimmed the last couple of pages and made a fast decision, because I didn't have a lot of time to analyze people's posts. I still haven't, actually. I've just gotten a chance to post now, and have about an hour to try to do some of that today and try to stumble my way through a passable impression of the massive walls of text the rest of you (or most of you, anyway) are putting out. I have no idea if I will still suspect Mac by the time I go to sleep. If all of that makes me suspicious, then I am suspicious and there's not much I can do to change that, I don't think.

Nogrod, on Backpedaling: Glass houses, yes. I'll try to be more careful from here on. Although, I think I've seen like three or four people openly suspecting me as I skimmed the day's posts, so I'm not sure if that's going to help me in -this- game.

Another post before Midnight EST, hopefully. Oh, also, Thunderbird is going nuts so I've probably crossed with at least two or three people by now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne, analyzing Zil

I think I understand what was giving me vibes yesterday. Several of the posts he made, especially early on, seemed to be for sheer zeal of the game... that first summary, continuing on with Boro... even correcting Roa! That's the kind of exuberance I expect from two kinds of people: 1). wolves, and 2). me. The fact that he was in the most previous game pushes him more into the "wolf" camp, as I know that much of my own exuberance comes from the fact that I take long breaks in between games.

In short, I've been suspecting him because if he's not a wolf, then he's acting too much like me for my own liking. I don't trust people who act like me.

I don't know where to start with this one... what sort of argument is that?

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Is there really a difference?

I'd guess the reasoning there is that Brinn's use of "have" implies she sees the cobbler as belonging to her, i.e. is a wolf... but that's an awful stretch. After all, villagers will talk about "having" X number of wolves.

I do think her vote on me was a bit questionable.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I've looked through Shasta's posts... She voted Inzil however...

Shasta is a "he".

EDIT:X'd with teh n00bs.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Shasta is a "he".

.

Oops Sorry Shasta

For the record digging Waaaaay back into another thread

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Morsul the Dark: When I saw that your name is Andrew on another thread, I seem to remember dropping the bagel I was holding. My dog thanks you. I, however, was astounded, as I thought for sure you were a 15-year-old blonde girl with a penchant for heavy metal music and other such "dark" things. I am still having a series of issues imagining you as an Andrew (I know a few of them, and I don't really WANT to imagine you as one of that group) so you are currently stuck in the "Andrea Void". I am working relentlessly to get you out, and will soon get back to you when my imaginings encompass the correct gender.

Fea

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nienna's looking better today than what I said yesterday. Which I hope dear you can accept this apology, when I said #60 looked like a "half-[bleep] attempt to contribute something" I kind of missed the first part where you said you had work in 5 minutes. That's why it looked rushed.

Thanks when I saw that I wanted to respond but there was such little time until deadline and it had happened some time before that that I figured it would be pointless bringing it up. Thank you, though, for the apolgoy.

Originally Posted by Boro

But I do have a few questions for you...if Lommy looked the worst to you, why not vote for her?

I wasn't sure at the time if I was just suspecting her because she suspected me. It was also near deadline and I didn't want Mac or Mnemo to be lynched so I was willing to use my vote to trying to save them as apposed to wasting my vote when I could have made a difference.

Originally Posted by Boro

Why did you say you wouldn't vote for Morsul at all?

Morsul tends to be voted Day Ones because of his playing style and I didn't want to contribute to that.

Originally Posted by Boro

And why didn't Mnemo look like a good lynch to you?

She had been saying very reasonable things all Day, participating, and had done nothing to warrant my suspicion.

Edit: Crossed with Morsul.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'd guess the reasoning there is that Brinn's use of "have" implies she sees the cobbler as belonging to her, i.e. is a wolf... but that's an awful stretch. After all, villagers will talk about "having" X number of wolves.

I do think her vote on me was a bit questionable.

Less the "have" by itself, more the "we have" together. A stretch, yes, but more concrete than other things I've seen thrown about.

[Macalaure]

#4,6 - in-character
#20,23 - in-character and complaint about Day1
#25,41 - some rule/strategy/theory discussion with Roa/Bes
#97 - thinks that the combattants are merely ordos going at each other, continues the rst. - this seems strange, she's been complaining about a lack of controversy, but once it's there, she dismisses it as ordos and tells people to calm down.
#108 - list of suspicions, Nog, Roa, Boro innocent, Lottie, Nienna, Pitch, Inzil most suspicious
#111 - out for lunch
#125 - nothing happened in the meantime but ordo-on-ordo - she never stated why she got that impression
#128 - narrows it down to Pitch and Inzil, but without a reason beyond "vibe"
#130 - coinflips Inzil

#192 - general comments, approves of availability of information after suspended lynch
#205 - comments to Boro's point about Inzil and me not being gifted
#206 - suspected Roa of giftedness
#222 - replies to Shasta about rst.
#225 - defends why she didn't vote Morsul - this is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
#237 - explains suspicion of Inzil, conclusion: he's been acting too much like she would - I don't want to go into much detail of her case now, but it's not convincing
#243 - defends her coinflip to Nog

Alright, most of this has already been stated by others, but it kind of confirmed it to myself now. Definitely suspicious, I agree, and much more so if Nogrod is a wolf, too.

[tromkehra]

So I've read here and there mostly try and get a feel of what's going one. I just can't shake the feeling of Boro being a wolf. Mostly because he's so open about the fact of, 'this isn't the way Boro-wolf would act.' I know you're trying not to draw attention to yourself because that can cause potential lynching. Though from what I understand Boro's been doing this a while and could be trying to throw people off by going a completely opposite direction. Something in my gut just doesn't sit right.

Nog I feel is hiding something, nothing in the sense of wolf-mischief. Though something is a little hidden. Also seems that they wanted to make this big uprising against Roa only to have it stolen away. *Pat pat on shoulder.*

Since I wont have a chance to vote tomorrow I'll vote now.

++Boromir88

[Boromir88]

sally
#79 in character says she doesn't know if she'll be voting.
#82 explains further that she hopes she can vote but doesn't want us waiting on her for she may not be around.
#153 returns and asks for a vote count
#169 doesn't think wolf-Mnemo would vote on a coinflip. Hunch against Shasta. Roa seems too strange. Trusts Nog, wants to leave Mac for tomorrow. And in absolutely no bluntness about it, says I'm the horned and hoofed, trident-wielding overlord of the lake of fire...tell me how you really feel why don't ya? Votes Roa.
#178 "ties=evil"
#179 questions the legality of Nog's vote
#182 *pulls out hair*

Trademark sally to leave funny quibs and comments after posting up until the DL. I've got nothing on her at the moment, because the only way I can figure her out is if she is in danger of getting lynched. I have (in my opinion) a very nifty "tell" that she will never be able to pry from my cold-dead hands as it's the only thing so far I've been pick up what her role is...

Greenie:
#62 lays down the law about the pointlessness of the debate involving moi. Vague good feelings towards Lommy, Brinn, me, and surprisingly Nog. Suspicious of Roa, Inzil, Morsul and Nerwen.
#63 responds to Morsul about voting records can be useful even if it doesn't have bandwaggoning wolves.
#109 the Nog vs. Roa, concludes that both have left her with a headache.
#118 A list
Innocent: Eomer, Brinn, Pitch, Mac, Lommy, and me.
Neither: Inzil, Lottie, Nienna, sally, Roa, Bes, Shasta, wilwa, and trom
Worrying: Mnemo, Morsul and Nog.
#122 disagrees with Eomer about list making
#124 ponders voting either Nog or Mnemo
#132 votes Mnemo as a "gut vote" over Nog
#134 responds to Nog about his implying "if you didn't see this, than you're not an ordo" comments.

Wow, so far, I've had to do the most bolding for Greenie's posts, she's definitely said something about everyone. I personally don't like lists, because I find that I wind up repeating myself, but agree with Greenie that there is merit to them and it's definitely better than banter/nothing. What I want to know Greenie is why did you vote for Mnemo one what you called mostly being a gut thing and not Nog?

Shasta:
#45 "here and reading"
#46 2 cents between mine and Roa's reasonability. Disagrees with me because the wolves like sally can get of scott-free by being totally irrational.
#47 remarks on DL and an in-character post
#68 calls Morsul's comment about votes "wishy-washy fence-sitting"
#117 "here and reading"
#137 Nog vs. Roa, I've made a note to go "re-read this."
#142 response to Nog over the "if A than B and if not A than you're not B" stuff
#143 further clarification of #142
#152 Shasta/Eomer spinoff show
#171 votes Inzil, with no reason at all nor am I aware of any previous suspicion stated about Inzil.

Shasta is on my list of possible wolves. I've noted to go back and re-read 137, as that's been his largest contribution from Day 1. It looked like a lot of work and effort, but also had a feeling that he was enjoying the fight, with the whole awarding points for/against system. From pre-Day 1 he had a nice amount of posts but unlike Greenie from above, I didn't have to do much bolding, as he barely mentioned anyone, for either suspects or innocent. Today he has, but I've only scanned most of the posts from today, and will have to go through more thoroughly. But based on yesterday, he's a wolf-suspect.

Nerwen
#16 in-character responses to Inzil and Lottie.
#34 doesn't want to get paranoid about lynching gifteds and questions me over what I'm trying to say
#56 responds to me
#67 tells Mac that at least one wolf would probably ignore me and says she can't see how she was "attacking" me.
#72 defends Roa's counting slip
#76 people don't pay close attention to things, especially if they're an ordo.
#87 defends herself against Nog for "attacking" me.
#89 says mountain building is popular
#141 "back and reading"
#181 votes on Mac for his "dodgy reasons"

I'm flip-flopping on Nerwen so badly. I didn't take her questions towards me as attacks, but the way she tries to downplay it as purely innocent questioning about me being unclear and pointing out the obvious, makes me nervous.

In #76 she defends Roa against Nog by saying people don't pay a lot of attention especially if they're ordos. It turns out Roa is an ordo, and could coincidental, this is a large group. However, today she's pointed out that we should read into all those who found merit in Nog's case against Roa, since we now know Roa is an ordo. The problem is she doesn't inquire any further, making it look like a red-herring "look here, go get distracted on this" plus, isn't Nerwen over-hyping the suspicion against Roa?

I admit that I considered Nog's reasons for pointing out Roa's mistake, because I knew what he was talking about and wondered the same, as well as Nienna pointing out in her first post there were 4 wolves...so I can see how Nog thought the slip looked intentional. However, that by itself was a really flimsy argument. I also recall many others saying the same thing about it. And I think Nog drew considerable suspicion by pointing out what he did, it just looks like Nerwen is trying to over-hype the amount of suspicion Roa had based on Nog "mountain building" the slip. In my opinion, most people seemed against voting Roa which was why she only got 2 votes.

And in #87:

Honestly, if any molehill's having a mountain made of it, it's this "everyone jumped on Boro!" meme.

I wondered about how quickly people started jumping off once Brinn, Mac, and Nog said they understood it.

I don't like this comment, by Nerwen though (that is to say I find it suspicious). The fact is, Roa wasn't the only one who got on me about it, she was just the loudest one. Inzil, Nerwen, Shasta, Morsul, Pitch, Eomer, and Bes all stated disagreement or suspected me because of it and Nerwen trying to downplay it worries me. It might not have been "everyone" but it was a rather large number of people. You also tried to downplay it by saying that it's possible a wolf would ignore it completely (would you call that obvious?) Then when people saw the point I was trying to make, and how my original response to Inzil got misrepresented people started jumping off one wagon and onto another...the "I don't like how everyone was jumping onto Boro wagon."

You can't tell me there isn't some screwy wolf involvement going on in that pile of people?

Ya, I realize that's a total flip-flop on Nerwen, but will wait for her response.

Edit: I crossed with who knows how many, my mind is fried after that

[Macalaure]

A few quite... interesting... votes there.


A quick list to order my thoughts before I call it a day.

Innocent
Boro - quite certain of this by now
Shasta - gives me a very innocent feel (a pity Boro suspects him)

Tending innocent
Inzil - don't really see any reason to suspect him anymore
Eomer - is always a bit tricky to figure out, but no alarms so far
Morsul - mostly fine, sometimes hard to follow
Nerwen - has posted sensibly toDay
Green - don't see any reason to suspect her

Undecided
Brinn - has escaped my radar
Pitch - I'll try to figure him out tomorrow
Nienna - another one not on my radar at the moment
Trom - has trouble keeping up, which makes it difficult to figure him out
Lottie - Very confusing
Sally - can't get an idea yet
Lommy - made herself comfortable beneath my radar
Bes - don't know what to think of him yet
Wilwa - not enough data

Tending guilty
Mnemo - see above
Nogrod - see former comment

Guilty
-

Not certain of anybody's guilt yet, but a nice number of likely innocents still gives me a good feeling of being on the right way.

[tromkehra]

Mac I be a girl

[Bes]

Mac:
#18 In Character
#27 Making a summary, forming early suspicions about Inzil
#57 Doesn't believe Boro is a wolf, forms new 'maybe' suspicions about Pitch and maybe Nerwen.
#93 Responding to Morsul, Nerwen and Inzil.
--------#59 Morsul makes a point that if I'd been payying attention I would have concurred with.
----------------Mac responds sensibly that the statements would be similar, since it was so early, little evidence to go on.
----------------Suggests here that he felt negatively about Inzil and positively about Pitch. Odd, that's not what I read. I'm hardly in a position to call someone on detail consistency, though.
--------Mac goes on to say that Morsul's vote seems to come directly from "Disagreements about Nerwen and Boro"
----------------Morsul's reasoning in #69 IS kind of weak, but not so weak as to be dismissable I feel.
------------------------Mac's response is that if Boro continues his argument, he'd get lynched, so a wolf wouldn't risk it. The complete lack of votes on Day 1 for Boro seems to negate this dismissal of Morsul's reasoning.
--------Mac responds to Nerwen, nothin here catches my attention immediately.
--------Mac makes a good point about Inzil, but nothing truly damning. Again, early.
--------Mac affirms that Roa can't be suspected on flimsy evidence. We all know how that turned out, whee.
#112 Another list! Ceases to suspect Inzil, Nog is strange, Nerwen is forceful but not suspicious, Morsul looks good(?), Pitch is suspicious again.
Boro, Roa and Mnemo are innocent. An appearance of consistency, other than Pitch really.
Summary of people who haven't posted enough, people who haven't posted, and people who have good reasons to have not posted much.
#116 Has been tuning out Nog-Roa-Boro. What? You just went back and forth about it with Morsul, and talked openly about it in your last three posts.
Deflects attention onto Nog and posts #80 and #91. I'm not sure what to think about that.
#139 Now only even tentatively feels like Inzil, Nog or Lommy might be worth voting for. So, again reversing on Pitch, Inzil this time as well. Not happy with his options, but none of his options are explained.
#155 List of votes up to that point.
Points out that on Day1 it's not unusual to jump back and forth about suspicions in response to Inzil.
#159 Bandwagon, onoes! Does two count as a bandwagon? I don't think it does. Even with the speculation that Inzil would likely vote for him... It feels off to claim that this post is anything other than what it appears to be on the surface. Moving on!
#161 Inzil plz. No one new has voted for him yet. Or had much time to do so.
#167 Thanks to Nienna, who concurs with Mac. Which means I'll have to analyze her too now. Head hurts...
#172 Brief reply to Inzil, defending earlier reasoning in a previous response.
#175 Just a vote count
#177 Hesitant vote for Inzil.
#184 Lynched (almost)
#190 List time again! And we're finally back to today. Vote count, in order of votes complete with tally.
--------Suspects Pitch again, and it looks like also Mnemo, Me (understandable), Shasta and Nienna (what? Really? Ok then.), and maybe Nerwen.
#197 fun with Boro, Nog, and a book.
#217 Suspicious of Pitch and Mnemo for certain. Making me suspicious of Pitch, goodness. There's more here, but I'm trying to hurry up a bit now, it's 12:16 as I type and none of it stands out greatly.
#248 Explains why Morsul's vote for him was reasonable. Reply to Inzil, comments on how Boro defends Mac better than Mac does, refering to #231 where Boro makes some good points about interpretation of information.
Mac also blasts Nog's claim that he's been careful not to suspect too many people. I'd say that's half accurate, since it's more like he never suspects too many people in one sitting. And, to be fair, they have mostly been variations on Pitch, Inzil, and person X when appropriate. At the moment that's been upped to Inzil, Mnemo, Pitch, Sally, Lommy, Nerwen and myself.
There's more here, but if I don't move on soon then I might as well just quote the whole post.
#257 List/Analysis of Mnemo.

If I'd looked this closely on Day 1, I probably would have been equally as likely to consider Pitch or Nog for a vote as Mac, and/or not voted. That said, they're all on my watch list now, but I can't say who I think I'm going to vote for today. I'm probably going to have to reread the entire thread tomorrow, if I can manage it.

Probably crossed with several people. ... On the one hand this is all fun, but I think it might be a relief when it's all over, too. And we just got started. X_x

[Mnemosyne]

It's Pitch time...

Pitch first started to rankle with the "We don't know if it's wolves" post. Roa's bringing this up definitely helped bring him to my attention.

Next, comments on Boro and Nog vs. Roa. Nothing really to disagree with here; I do appreciate his appreciation of Boro's pot-stirring.

Next, suggests that Mac's a hypocrite...

Looks at Nienna and Lottie and here's where something really looks fishy. Let's give them credit for trying to start up the game by restating the rules (which tends to look helpful without being helpful...)?

...while he himself was staying in character?

Pitch, you just gave me the first concrete evidence I've had all game. Which may mean nothing, mind, but still...

Looks at Morsul, nice wee defense which I'll accept.

Yesterday the short posts on various people really did nothing to help... breaking things up into information chunks like that seems to be more of a concern to spread quantity

Again, must look up and see how he normally plays...

Next, Lommy, Green, Brinn, and Eomer... He's pretty neutral on these.

Mild suspicion on Nerwen. Eh.

On Inziladun... Says that Inziladun's been quiet, which I don't quite agree with. Not that Inziladun was loud, either... just enthused as I said before.

Votes Mac using the standard Day One vibe reasoning. ^_^

at the same time I understand why people are saying it looks bandwaggonish. Not sure if I buy that or not.

Sensible response to Boro that could mean anything...

Apparently is still suspicious of Mac.



Again what originally set me off about Pitch was the kind of silly jumpiness that I attribute to Werewolf zeal (Generic YAY or YAY I'M A WOLF). But his spreading his thoughts on people out and putting them into short discrete chunks was seriously irritating. I need to check and see if that's his style or not... And plus the whole Nienna/Lottie thing was weird.

I can explain my suspicion of Inziladun yesterDay away to myself as an irrational distrust. I can't do that so much for Pitch (although I note that the exuberance was again a factor in my vibishness yesterday).

But in the meantime we've got additional weirdness... namely, Lottie's vote. She hadn't left my radar, but...

You can get away with not really explaining votes on Day One. Not Day One Day One, however... I just don't get it.

[Brinniel]

So Roa dropped? What a shame; I was hoping to see more of the Nog & Roa show. But really, before I knew she dropped, I was starting to think it perhaps more likely that those two really were just two innocents at each other's throats. Nogrod can be a bold wolf, so I won't eliminate the possibility, but still it is rather risky to be going at it with an innocent with such force as early as Day One. If they are both innocent, the Roa vs. Nogrod was a great distraction for the wolves. With the events of yesterDay, our baddies could easily set him up for the next lynch target I think, which is why I would be rather uncomfortable to vote for him toDay.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Now, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that I would have said "whether there is a cobbler" rather than "whether we have a cobbler". Honest mistake, slip of the tongue?

Okay, now that really is a stretch. When I said "whether we have a cobbler," I meant "we" as in "the village." I really can't see what was wrong with what I said or why you'd consider it a 'slip.'

I don't exactly understand Loslote's vote for Lommy. She summarises a post of her's, yet fails to provide any of her own commentary.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by tromkehra

So I've read here and there mostly try and get a feel of what's going one. I just can't shake the feeling of Boro being a wolf. Mostly because he's so open about the fact of, 'this isn't the way Boro-wolf would act.' I know you're trying not to draw attention to yourself because that can cause potential lynching. Though from what I understand Boro's been doing this a while and could be trying to throw people off by going a completely opposite direction. Something in my gut just doesn't sit right.

Nog I feel is hiding something, nothing in the sense of wolf-mischief. Though something is a little hidden. Also seems that they wanted to make this big uprising against Roa only to have it stolen away. *Pat pat on shoulder.*

Since I wont have a chance to vote tomorrow I'll vote now.

++Boromir88

Good news is I feel pretty good about trom being innocent, despite her vote.

Here's the deal, I sort of have this reputation for being ruthless, slippery SOB...erm wolf. Shasta, I know can certainly fill you in about some down-right evil stories, but we can take a trip down memory lane another time. That's my reputation, people really don't like to trust me, eventhough everything is telling them that they can, because we never liked to get fooled.

I typically find myself spending an abnormal amount of time trying to get everyone to trust me when I'm innocent, and thus the openness. So is the way of the world though, and I'm not sure why I even do it, because it is an impossible thing.

Also, believe as a wolf I am more sly than directly pointing out "I'd do this as a wolf, and since I didn't, I'm not" trick, because I don't hand out my wolf-secrets. Mith, Lommy, Rikae (and apparently Mac now ) to name a few have picked up on some of the unintentional signs, but there's nothing I hand out.

To refrain from a spiel, I'll leave it at this...I'm innocent. Believe it or not, that's your choice, and if and when I die are you willing to bet eating a toaster when my innocence is proven?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm flip-flopping on Nerwen so badly. I didn't take her questions towards me as attacks, but the way she tries to downplay it as purely innocent questioning about me being unclear and pointing out the obvious, makes me nervous.

Boro, I was of course probing you a bit. However, it was just innocent questioning, and saying it wasn't an "attack"– as Mac described it– isn't "downplaying" anything.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

However, today she's pointed out that we should read into all those who found merit in Nog's case against Roa, since we now know Roa is an ordo. The problem is she doesn't inquire any further, making it look like a red-herring "look here, go get distracted on this" plus, isn't Nerwen over-hyping the suspicion against Roa?

All I said was that the people who fell in with Nogrod's weird case on Roa– I think Eomer was one– are worth looking at. As I intend to, as soon as I have time, which I haven't yet. It's a valid, indeed an obvious, line of inquiry; whether it will lead anywhere is another matter.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

IThe fact is, Roa wasn't the only one who got on me about it, she was just the loudest one. Inzil, Nerwen, Shasta, Morsul, Pitch, Eomer, and Bes all stated disagreement or suspected me because of it and Nerwen trying to downplay it worries me. It might not have been "everyone" but it was a rather large number of people. You also tried to downplay it by saying that it's possible a wolf would ignore it completely (would you call that obvious?) Then when people saw the point I was trying to make, and how my original response to Inzil got misrepresented people started jumping off one wagon and onto another...the "I don't like how everyone was jumping onto Boro wagon."

You can't tell me there isn't some screwy wolf involvement going on in that pile of people?

I'm not telling you that... however, the circumstance under which I made my "molehill" remark was that the first three people to question you (Me, Zil, Roa) were the ones coming under attack for it... Nogrod even had a theory of Roa and I being wolves together, based on the fact that a.) we both criticised you and b.) I defended her against his silly case. I maintain that was a serious overreaction. I'd made exactly two posts questioning you and both of them were perfectly reasonable. Look, Boro, it really wasn't clear what you meant.

Now, later there were people who just parrotted us, or even jumped straight to suspecting you– Bes and Morsul spring to mind. Even then, some of those you're listing just said, "meh, pointless topic". (Note: this is from memory, so don't shoot me if I've mixed up who did what.)

Okay... so... I'm not liking these points you're making against me here, Boro. They seem kind of twisty.

EDIT:X'd since Mnemo at #263.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, I've looked at Loslote, and things look bad for her. Summarize one person's post and then vote? Really?

At the same time, how wolvish is that?

At any rate she cannot defend herself for the rest of toDay so I'm willing to let her rest and then come down hard on her toMorrow.

Which means that I'm going for the one person I have a concrete, rational reason to suspect at all:

++Pitchwife

I will be available nearer the end of the day, but hopefully voting now will allow me to better focus on what's going on for the rest of the Day.

Again, people, don't vote at the last minute please... YesterDay looked pretty insane.

Finally, to Mac: If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?

[Nerwen]

Okay, now I have looked at the people who followed Nog's case on Roa, and– surprise! surprise! One of them was Boro.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

But it looks so much like purpose slip, because I know what Nog is talking about and I double-checked the captain's notes even before your number slip. You gasp about wolves, and then for some reason give the number of them, but it's the wrong number.

I admit I scan the rules and am liable to miss things, but if someone can't get the number of wolves correct, or the roles that's either plain laziness to not read the captain's notes or someone's faking ignorance. And in this circumstance the number of wolves was stated in more than one place. You are anything but lazy in your analysis Roa, to state the wrong number of wolves, looks more than an innocent slip or failure in double checking.

And the other's Eomer:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Aye, Nogrod, soon as I saw Roa's counting-mistake I remarked: "intentional". Not sure what it means, though. I wouldn't be quick to lynch Roa because she brings a lot to the table in terms of discussion.

Neither of them pursued this, though. I had an impression that people jumped on the "case" much more than they actually did, I think because Nogrod was making so much noise about it.

The fact that Boro was one of them and apparently tried to discourage me from checking actually makes me feel somewhat better about him– because I don't think Borowolf would do anything as silly as that. Eomer has been rather slipping around the edge of things and just chiming in with people... but there's not really enough to go on with him yet.

A point in his favour is that he voted Mnemo, who is suddenly looking very sinister to me after her last post:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Okay, I've looked at Loslote, and things look bad for her. Summarize one person's post and then vote? Really?

At the same time, how wolvish is that?

So far, so good– but then we have this:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Which means that I'm going for the one person I have a concrete, rational reason to suspect at all:

++Pitchwife

What concrete, rational reason is that? In her "analysis" she gives only one real reason for suspecting him:

Looks at Nienna and Lottie and here's where something really looks fishy. Let's give them credit for trying to start up the game by restating the rules (which tends to look helpful without being helpful...)?

But what she's talking about is apparently this:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife at #12

Nienna mentions wolves, which, however, are unlikely to be found in the Arctic Sea, miles from any land.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife at #13

Miss Lottie, with all due respect, you seem to be confusing our serious emergency with one those online games your generation indulges in!

i.e. two very obvious ic jokes.

I mean– what?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

Shasta, I know can certainly fill you in about some down-right evil stories, but we can take a trip down memory lane another time.

Well, I could mention Rangers and crossbows....

Brinn, yes, it was a bit of a stretch. However, it fit very nicely with the feelings I was having about your Nerwen-vote, so I added it anyway.

[Mnemosyne]

I wasn't going to do this...

But this is going to eat at my head if I don't say it.

Reasons Mnemo does not trust players who remind her of her

I am more interested in having fun in a Werewolf game than living or dying.

I am more interested in having fun in a Werewolf game than winning or losing.

I enjoy having fun through banter, compulsively stalking the thread, and sometimes posting for the sake of posting.

I enjoy playing like this.

However, because I still want to win, I would rather not have too many players with these priorities on my side.

Therefore, I do not trust players like this in general.

I know myself. It's easier to project myself and my weaknesses as a player onto other people.

And the fact that the "having fun" bit comes so strongly so early in the game means that if people remind me of me during those first few posts, it's going to be a lasting first impression. So if I think, even on a subconscious level, that some of the players are going to have similar priorities to mine, I'm going to think that they might play like me and so wonder how sound their judgment is on individual players.

Which is really strike 2, as strike 1 for giddy players is that there's another perfectly reasonable explanation: "I'm excited because I'm a WULF this time!" (This also plays itself out when people say things like, "I think X!wolf would be spending more time on the thread than innocent!X)

Anyway, there you have it. I'm posting this because earlier some people (okay, two, but I was pretty high up on the lists yesterDay) found the conclusions I drew from these arguments (without presenting the arguments, which was somewhat dumb) suspicious. All fine and well. Just make sure you're suspecting me for the right reasons.

I'm not going to say anything more on this topic.




Tacking this on: Nerwen, Pitch was joking with people who were playing straight through the game, rationally, as if the confines of the game were still present. Nothing wrong with that, except maybe that it added to that dreadful zeal. But if later on he praises them for playing straight through the game, when at the time he himself was extending the banter... I'd just rather he'd put his money where his mouth was.

Yes, it's small, but it's what I've got at the moment. And now I really must be getting to bed: I have a test tomorrow and a very heavy heart.

...Is it bad that I almost want to get lynched just so that people will know I'm innocent?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Boro seems to make sense and stand independently. I like that.

I don't know if I feel all that independent right now, more like all I'm feeling is my brain getting mashed by a sledgehammer.

The dilemma is currently I feel that both you and Mac are looking innocent, and I've been getting more confident with that as this continues, but apparently both of you are highly suspicious of the other. For reasons that I'm not understanding. This makes me doubt my own judgement about one (or both of you) as if I'm missing something obviously suspicious. So far, I just feel like more than one wolf is laying low and enjoying, perhaps even antagonizing these situations where the talkers are going back and forth suspecting eachother.

I've been trying to place myself in a wolf-Nog and Mac-wolf shoes and since you haven't been acting like my conception of how your wolf-selves would act, I feel relatively confident to say your innocent.

Like with Mac, I know as a wolf before he has kept me a live when I've defended him before. But that time I was a lose canon and it would have been foolish for Macwolf to have killed me. I also know that I've lynched a Mac-wolf before and have been a major pain in his rear a few times. I know for a fact that Mith as a wolf tries to get rid of me almost as soon as she can...and right now I don't know if I've been that big of a pain to Mac yet. And right now, since Mac has seen that I'm not a "lose canon" if he was a wolf, I think he would have jumped at an early opportunity to get me under serious suspicion and not basically say I'm innocent.

And with Nogrod, I've also been a severe pain to him, but I also know Nog likes keeping me around for a few days, no matter how big of a pain I am, and no matter if he's a wolf or not. However, as a wolf I've noticed when I do suspect him he is very aggressive and ready to duke it out. I mean when we get after eachother, if I happen to win, I feel like I'm still leaving bloody and beaten up.

Still the fact that you two are suspecting eachother, and that I happen to lean towards trusting both of you at the moment, it's making me paranoid that my conceptions about both of you are horribly off. Ahh, I think I'll just deal with the paranoia for the time being, leave it at that, and focus on other things that aren't so "conspiracy theory" sounding.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay... so... I'm not liking these points you're making against me here, Boro. They seem kind of twisty.

It probably does, because it was one of those "heat of the moment" posts. I thought your questioning looked innocent, than when I looked at what I noted on Day 1, plus remembering some of things you've said today, I had a quick flip-flop which sent me into questioning everything else I thought. Then I just kind of stopped and left it at that, because I realized there was a major-flip in my thoughts about you.

Call it innocent probing, since I went through a big turn, I wanted to see your response and then decide whether I should seriously go all out suspect Nerwen or put you back into "innocent feeling." I can give my reasons and a proper response when I wake up tomorrow, but right now my mind is primarily on bed, though you are back into "leaning innocent."

Edit: crossed with Shasta and Mnemo.

Edit: Edit: and Nerwen too, didn't realize she made a recent post

[A Little Green]

Hello! First off, I have loads of stuff to do today, but I'll be at home so I'll be able to check in every now and then. Then, off to comment stuff that's been said toDay.

Originally Posted by Nogrod, on Lommy

But thinking her evil would mean basically that Mac is evil as well…

Why?

Originally Posted by Nog

Greenie I might think more innocentish than not as her reasoning for Mnemo looks more or less like my own... although I get the feeling she picks her instead of me because analysing me would be a too big a work!

Hehe. No, I picked her instead of you because you were more confusing than suspicious. Or rather, I couldn't figure you out at all because your behaviour made no sense to me regardless of whether I assumed you were a wolf or not. Therefore, I went after Mnemo, who I felt suspicious about because she had been kind of calculatedly nice and gave me evil vibes. I wanted time to figure you out.

Originally Posted by Mnemo

That's the kind of exuberance I expect from two kinds of people: 1). wolves, and 2). me.

Even with the explanation, this quote (and the entire post) struck me as downright weird. I don't know what to make of it.

Originally Posted by Boro

What I want to know Greenie is why did you vote for Mnemo one what you called mostly being a gut thing and not Nog?

Did my answer to Nog answer you as well? If not, I'll elaborate.

I'd like to make a list but won't have time for it right now. I'll expect to do one still toDay. Just a quick update: I'm torn about Pitch, somewhat confused by Shasta, very confused by Lottie, and lean towards trusting both Nerwen and Boro (who seem to be at each other's throats ).

[Thinlómien]

I'm writing a reply as I read, so forgive me if I repeat stuff people have said...

I'm currently finding Mac quite innocent, andf looking at his vote summary, Shasta and Nienna (ha!) seem slightly bad. YesterDay's voting was quite a mess, and to be honest, I have no idea what to make out of it, except that, like I said, I think Mac is innocent, and possibly Inzil too. That would make it slightly more probable that Mnemo is guilty, or then we are really unlucky.

I'm kind of grudging Legate for making this "humane decision" event. Because now we don't have any dead ie cleared people. And no wolf-kill tracks to follow (although this will be one of those painful games where the kills are more confusing due to the lack of a seer). So it's kind of good Roa had to leave (although that was sad ) because that means we have some information.

Nogrod's case on Roa is just absurdly over the top, it doesn't make any sense. I really wonder if that makes him a wolf. Because that would be the only reason I could see him doing that, "ooh I'll be so crazy and over-the-top that no one will believe I'm actually a wolf"...?

Mnemo is odd.

Can someone accuse me or get me otherwise very involved? Because I feel strangely "unattached" from this game, I'm reading it as if I wasn't playing it myself. Hmph.

Originally Posted by Mnemo

I should add that Roa's departure puts paid to my theory that she and Nog were our gifteds staging an uprising. Phooey.

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.

Nogrod has quite good points against Pitchie, but I still wonder about him too.

I'm not sure what to make of Lottie's vote for me. It is poorly reasoned, but not necessarily evil. She's not so much of a newbie anymore, though, so I would expect more depth from her. Well but really, she just summarises what I said, doesn't criticise it all or tell why it is suspicious and just votes me. *raises an eyebrow*

I'll be back and more involved later! I'll leave you with a list based on gut-feeling and all the points I've brought up this far:

Leaning innocent
Boro
Mac
Inzil
Greenie
Eomer

In the middle
Bes
trom
Morsul
Lottie
Sally
Brinn
Wilwa
Nerwen

Leaning guilty
Mnemo
Nogrod
Nienna
Pitchie
Shasta

PS. I really feel pitifully uninvolved. I promise I try to do something about that when I come back from school.

[Macalaure]

I like Bes' analysis, except that it draws a lot on my inconsistencies. Don't forget that ordos, lacking any special knowledge, end up being inconsistent a lot, too.

I think I defended myself against pretty much all of his points already. New ones are that I was calling the votes against me a bandwaggon too early (but there were only a few minutes to go, and with Inzil's expectable one, I was in the lead - definitely enough reason to be concerned, I think), and my suspicion of Nienna (which really isn't strong at all, but her vote tried to save me, and sometimes wolves like to save people they know are innocent because it often earns their trust, and if the saving fails, trying to save a dead known innocent tends to look good).

Sorry, Trom. All that gender confusion in this game...

I still have to verify my own suspicion of Pitch, but the way the suspicion against him is raised by several people lately makes me very uncomfortable.

I might be hurting myself now, but Boro: wolf-Mac would be very comfortable to keep you alive at this point, enjoying that he has fooled you this far and that you're sometimes hesitant to change your opinions once you've properly formed them.

I was starting to wonder whether Lommy could be evil, but now her suspicions are almost the same as mine, which makes it difficult... unless my suspicions are completely off.

[Macalaure]

Oh, there's this, too:

Originally Posted by Bes

I'd say that's half accurate, since it's more like he never suspects too many people in one sitting.

But honestly, how often does anybody suspect a larger number of people at the same time and in one post? That would be running loose.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

sally
#79 in character says she doesn't know if she'll be voting.
#82 explains further that she hopes she can vote but doesn't want us waiting on her for she may not be around.
#153 returns and asks for a vote count
#169 doesn't think wolf-Mnemo would vote on a coinflip. Hunch against Shasta. Roa seems too strange. Trusts Nog, wants to leave Mac for tomorrow. And in absolutely no bluntness about it, says I'm the horned and hoofed, trident-wielding overlord of the lake of fire...tell me how you really feel why don't ya? Votes Roa.
#178 "ties=evil"
#179 questions the legality of Nog's vote
#182 *pulls out hair*

Trademark sally to leave funny quibs and comments after posting up until the DL. I've got nothing on her at the moment, because the only way I can figure her out is if she is in danger of getting lynched. I have (in my opinion) a very nifty "tell" that she will never be able to pry from my cold-dead hands as it's the only thing so far I've been pick up what her role is...

Greenie:
#62 lays down the law about the pointlessness of the debate involving moi. Vague good feelings towards Lommy, Brinn, me, and surprisingly Nog. Suspicious of Roa, Inzil, Morsul and Nerwen.
#63 responds to Morsul about voting records can be useful even if it doesn't have bandwaggoning wolves.
#109 the Nog vs. Roa, concludes that both have left her with a headache.
#118 A list
Innocent: Eomer, Brinn, Pitch, Mac, Lommy, and me.
Neither: Inzil, Lottie, Nienna, sally, Roa, Bes, Shasta, wilwa, and trom
Worrying: Mnemo, Morsul and Nog.
#122 disagrees with Eomer about list making
#124 ponders voting either Nog or Mnemo
#132 votes Mnemo as a "gut vote" over Nog
#134 responds to Nog about his implying "if you didn't see this, than you're not an ordo" comments.

Wow, so far, I've had to do the most bolding for Greenie's posts, she's definitely said something about everyone. I personally don't like lists, because I find that I wind up repeating myself, but agree with Greenie that there is merit to them and it's definitely better than banter/nothing. What I want to know Greenie is why did you vote for Mnemo one what you called mostly being a gut thing and not Nog?

Shasta:
#45 "here and reading"
#46 2 cents between mine and Roa's reasonability. Disagrees with me because the wolves like sally can get of scott-free by being totally irrational.
#47 remarks on DL and an in-character post
#68 calls Morsul's comment about votes "wishy-washy fence-sitting"
#117 "here and reading"
#137 Nog vs. Roa, I've made a note to go "re-read this."
#142 response to Nog over the "if A than B and if not A than you're not B" stuff
#143 further clarification of #142
#152 Shasta/Eomer spinoff show
#171 votes Inzil, with no reason at all nor am I aware of any previous suspicion stated about Inzil.

Shasta is on my list of possible wolves. I've noted to go back and re-read 137, as that's been his largest contribution from Day 1. It looked like a lot of work and effort, but also had a feeling that he was enjoying the fight, with the whole awarding points for/against system. From pre-Day 1 he had a nice amount of posts but unlike Greenie from above, I didn't have to do much bolding, as he barely mentioned anyone, for either suspects or innocent. Today he has, but I've only scanned most of the posts from today, and will have to go through more thoroughly. But based on yesterday, he's a wolf-suspect.

Nerwen
#16 in-character responses to Inzil and Lottie.
#34 doesn't want to get paranoid about lynching gifteds and questions me over what I'm trying to say
#56 responds to me
#67 tells Mac that at least one wolf would probably ignore me and says she can't see how she was "attacking" me.
#72 defends Roa's counting slip
#76 people don't pay close attention to things, especially if they're an ordo.
#87 defends herself against Nog for "attacking" me.
#89 says mountain building is popular
#141 "back and reading"
#181 votes on Mac for his "dodgy reasons"

Boro makes points against some people not in the forefront of suspicion looks to be thinking outside the box to prevent bandwagonning looks pretty good...

[

B]Mnem Takes a look at Inzil
[/B]
Inziladun...

First entered my radar with his second post (keep in mind that this is me analyzing my feelings for him after the fact). It just seemed odd: Everyone's been posting in character so far, except two, so what shall we do?

AHA! A SUMMARY!

This was made worse by the fact that he didn't say anything about the two people who were actually trying to post about the game itself (not that either one really said anything more than a restatement of the rules, something which I took issue with myself. At any rate it would have worked better to say something like that rather than "nothing of note".)

Next post he corrects Roa. I could see this going either way.

Next post deals with the small gifted discussion, in response to me. Concludes with "I see no reason why we should continue talking about it," but continues talking with Boro about it, two posts later. I prefer it when players suggest closing a certain discussion and then follow their own advice.

His next post, in response to Mac, looks like a legitimate rebuttal.

Next one defends self for continuing to discuss gifteds with Boro. Again, I can see his points here, since it was only one post. But that doesn't mean that he's off the hook for not following through on not talking about gifteds.

Next he weighs in on Nog's initial anti-Roa post, saying he's overreacting.

Asks Greenie why she voted me... (I suspect, for much the same reasons, sans coin, that I voted for him)

Begins fighting with Mac (at whom I also need to take a closer look). Finally votes him for sheer self-preservation.

So far today he's been continuing to talk about Mac...

She's in a lot of people's crosshairs so picking up on the would be lynchee may be a defense but the list doesn't seem really negative...

now here's an odd thing that makes me weary of Mac...

He called my vote well-reasoned, a description not shared by anyone in fact the closest was pprobably Pitch who said it seemed more a hunch but not bad for such a soon vote...

and in #248 he says

So far I've been able to see where people who suspected me came from,

and then on Bes

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I like Bes' analysis, except that it draws a lot on my inconsistencies. Don't forget that ordos, lacking any special knowledge, end up being inconsistent a lot, too.

He takes criticism too calmly for my comfort

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

YAY I'M A WOLF.

Now there's a line you wouldn't want someone to quote out of context.

On a more serious note, I'm still not liking Mnemo, and the explanation she gives at #270 does't seem to explain very much:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Tacking this on: Nerwen, Pitch was joking with people who were playing straight through the game, rationally, as if the confines of the game were still present. Nothing wrong with that, except maybe that it added to that dreadful zeal. But if later on he praises them for playing straight through the game, when at the time he himself was extending the banter... I'd just rather he'd put his money where his mouth was.

Yeah, that would be perfectly good argument... except that we are talking about a couple of banter posts in the middle of page one!

I don't particularly care for this, either:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

...Is it bad that I almost want to get lynched just so that people will know I'm innocent?

I don't know what to think. Yesterday she seemed fine, and in fact I was very surprised when she became a lynch-candidate. ToDay she's apparently gone off the rails. Understand, I'm not saying Inzil and Pitch aren't wolves– Zil is reminding me of his lupine self from time to time, and I don't believe we know what a Pitchwolf looks like at all– but her stated reasons for suspecting them are terribly weak.

On the subject of weak reasons... well, pretty much everything I could say about Loslote's "list + vote" post has already been said, I think. Why did she do that? She'd actually have got much less attention if she'd said she was voting on "gut-feeling".

EDIT:X'd with Morsul.
EDIT2:typo.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boro, re: me

I have (in my opinion) a very nifty "tell" that she will never be able to pry from my cold-dead hands as it's the only thing so far I've been pick up what her role is...

Oh really? Somehow I think my tell is not the tell you think it is. And if you're planning to lynch me just to find out that I'm a goodie I don't think I like your reasoning. I'd personally rather save people that are probably innocent in my eyes than lynch them just to see what they are. Or maybe I'm crazy and that's how the New Werewolf is played. Heck if I know. (Of course I'm mostly teasing here because I don't expect him to campaign to kill me at this stage, but if he does make up a big case against me later with little cause I'll be quite concerned.)

(Also, I should note that he had a tongue face at the end of that, but I had to remove it to be able to submit the post.)

Originally Posted by Kehra

Mac I be a girl

Goodie. I thought so, but wasn't sure. You can never tell on these here interwebs. (And sometime I'll have to tell you about when I joined and a certain Miss Kath wanted to call me Stan)


Okay, to business. Sorry everyone, but I kept falling asleep last night so I gave up and went to bed. I'll be busy this morning (once they need me to actually go in, that is, as I've got some time right now) but the last couple hours of the Day will be blissfully empty so I'll be a bit more vocal, or at least I hope. I'll go finish (although I don't think I got that far) my Brinn and Nienna analysis, and then I'm going to have a look at either Shasta or Nerwen. Wonder if I've found a pack yet.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

But honestly, how often does anybody suspect a larger number of people at the same time and in one post? That would be running loose.

THIS.

Awake and caught up. Looking forward to seeing people's reactions, posts, etc. as they start coming in for the Big Finish.

[Mnemosyne]

Speaking of "tell"s, Sally, are you a wolf?

(Feel free to answer that question or not, my dear)