Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, yes... no despair yet for anybody! After all, there's still a wolf out there.

<best game ever>

[Mithalwen]

and thirty three pages in before a filibuster....

I still wouldn't put it past Morm to find a way out of this.....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh yes. I'm waiting patiently for HIS seer reveal.

[Boromir88]

Oh yes. I'm waiting patiently for HIS seer reveal.~Fea

I knew I shouldn't expect things to be that easy...you will find a way to make this go as unsmoothly as possible won't you?

But, I'm here for a little while and will just review the plan, see if there's any flaws.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Rune, unless you can see something wrong with tp's plan, vote for "no filibuster" and for Boro as rep.

Other than the fact that it is The Phantom's plan?

++Boromir for Representative

[Boromir88]

Oh and don't worry too much Rune...before the end of the day I was going to try to make sure people don't lynch you on my account, well unless you are the last wolf. Anyway, I realize with my mess yesterday I could have trapped an ordo by mistake.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++no filibuster

[Boromir88]

Plan looks good to me, but I do see one gaping flaw!

Boro- lynch morm

We will have to review our constitution, morm may be able to strike on the grounds that there is a conflict of interest with that vote.

Ok, seriously I think the plan is perfect. I still am waiting for something to dreadfully go wrong, as Fea is dying to see a filibuster.

Morm, if it makes you feel any better, it was nothing you did, I picked you pretty much at random and in frustration. I think I sent my choice to Fea within 30 seconds of finding out Eonwe's innocent saying "Oh you have to be kidding me. I don't know what I'm doing...uhh ++morm." And with a touch of luck I struck fur.

Sorry, Nogrod, your turn on tp was just too easy, especially after the Ka was found to be a wolf. But you were expecting morm's vote to be able to bail you out, weren't you?

Thanks dear, sweet sally. You better not be sweet-talking me!

++No Filibuster

Better check to make sure I am voting for the right one...yep...

++Nerwen for rep

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I didn't think you thought the plan was bad, Sally.

I hope your room mate is enjoying this. What did you say you call her- "The Duck" or something like that?

Anyway, I really need to get to bed. Sleepy.

For right now, I'll go ahead and vote-
++No Filibuster

Post #1265 contains the voting plan. Let us begin following it as soon as possible and get this over with so that we can move on to discussing the final Wolf that is still at large.

Good night.

Yeah, there was supposed to be a little smilie guy behind that post anyway, but meh. Anyway, typing in the dark with your glasses off is generally a bad plan. Heh, and I'm sure she is. She's still in England for the rest of the semester, so I'll have to IM her and see if she's keeping up on the game.



In other news:

Might I say that I still don't trust Nerwen? Just putting that out there.

++No Filibuster

++Phantom for rep

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thanks dear, sweet sally. You better not be sweet-talking me!

Sally lives to butter up, erm, serve, sweet Master.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Night 1 a phantom dream came to be
an innocent was revealed to me.
Night 2 at Agan I did glean
she was a person completely clean.
Night 3 hmm lets see morm, I thought,
and the first wolf was caught.
Night 4 after Nogrod pulled a Legate
I saw a creature full of hate.

My poetic attempt, surely not as pleasant or beautiful as our wonderful modgodess, Fea.

Oh, and I forgot to mention.


Best. Post. Ever. That is all.

[A Little Green]

Argh. All my fine theories all muddled up... Oh well. So I voted a wolf for rep twice. How nice. I had a beautiful theory on why Nog's a wolf but it's no use now since he's officially revealed wolf. And the once I got something figured... Gah. Frustrating.

On a more serious note, good job Boro - I don't know whether I would have instantly believed your claim but morm's confession cleared it... I'm still wondering why he did it, though.

Originally Posted by phantom

Greenie- vote Phantom

You're enjoying this aren't you? You pig.

Hmmm. I suppose I should take a look at folks and craft a theory on who might be the last wolf. I won't do it now, however, since Lommy is itching to post... (This post was supposed to have a lot of substance from yesterDay's posts, but it's all useless now. I feel stupid.)

Ah, one more thing -

Originally Posted by Kath

Greenie - basically says 'lots of things to look at'. Will have to see if she actually did. Didn't look at the Eonwe voters, did look at Ilya.

That has pretty much been my problem all through the game - there has been loads of stuff I'd have loved to look at in too little time. If I haven't looked at something I have said I should, it's due to timetables.


EDIT: x-ed with 3x Sally

[Boromir88]

(This post was supposed to have a lot of substance from yesterDay's posts, but it's all useless now. I feel stupid.)~Greenie

I doubt it would be useless. I would like to hear what you had on Nogrod, it may have ideas on who the last wolf is. So, please post it.

[Ilya]

Morning all. I'm glad the plan is all set, because real life stuff is going to make it hard for me to get online this afternoon and all of Friday. Curse you, campus ITS!

++No Filibuster

++Boro for representative

Go get 'em, team.

[Thinlómien]

Boro and Phantom! I love you! Want to know why? Because I outwitted you, after all! Boy, I feel clever right now.

Originally Posted by me yesterDay

After all, currently I'm thinking that if they are smarter than me, they're wolves, and if I'm smarter than them, they're innocent.

This still holds. At some point yesterDay, I realised there was something wrong in you two trying to get Agan killed. How on earth could you be so sure that she was not the seer? In no way, if you were just two ordos. Thus, I knew there was something odd in there. And I thought "do we have the careless seer here?" and I thought we very well might have, especially as I also recalled that the last time Boro gave neither innocent nor guilty vibes to me, he was the seer. That's why I wanted to give you two one more Day and made such a turn late yesterDay. I only tried to reason it so that it'd look like something else...

But am I rejoicing too soon? There's something that outright baffles me here. Boro's claim is credible and has no screaming holes in it and morm confessed, yes, but still we cannot know if he's telling the truth. So, maybe he and tp are smarter than me after all and they are wolves? I mean, the real seer could still be lurking somewhere with no chance to post toDay yet?

I don't know, I just feel there has to be something wrong with this. It surely can't be this easy - I can't have seen a sort of hole in Boro&tp's schemes and thus also outwitted our wolves, now can I?

Also, by the way (this is the thing that makes me the most distrustful of these two brilliant gentlemen) - arranging the death of a known innocent sounds rather eyebrow-raising. Why choose her of all the people? Care to explain?

Anyway, morm has confessed and we have to check Nogrod's role in any case, so I guess there's nothing wrong in the double-lynch even if Boro and tp are evil after all...

And I feel so much like gloating right now, really. I possibly outwitted two of the most renowned ww players ever and also, I managed to read THE Ka correctly - even though getting right about her probably was also due to luck, I never was confident at all about her... well I have good intuition then (and so of course had those who followed my vote and got her lynched ).

Now we only need to find the last wolf. I think the easiest way would be looking at Ka's and morm's and Nog's interactions with people. But the question is, who wants to do any rereading in a village like this?

edit: xed with Ilya and Boro

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

But the question is, who wants to do any rereading in a village like this?

I realise that must sound pretty harsh. It was more meant to be a joke of sorts... I mean, I'm able to and I want to look at that stuff. Somebody else should surely do it too, of course. The extent of the project just doesn't seem too appealing...

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, can we do triple lynches in this village?

Here's why I ask.


Pretend I'm Fea. "But Sally, you're not pure evil and enjoy screwing with people's heads". Suspension of disbelief, children. Just pretend I'm Fea.

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions)

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

On a more serious note, good job Boro - I don't know whether I would have instantly believed your claim but morm's confession cleared it... I'm still wondering why he did it, though.

I also have been wondering why morm confessed.

[Kath]

Alrighty then!

++NERWEN for rep

++NO filibuster

If Boro and phantom are wolves and play this move out it will be a masterstroke. If that happens I wouldn't even mind losing because it would be just too impressive to be cross!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

I doubt it would be useless. I would like to hear what you had on Nogrod, it may have ideas on who the last wolf is. So, please post it.

Call me rash if you wish, mister, but I'm afraid I deleted most of it already. I'll try to recall as much as possible if it pleases you.

Mostly, his behaviour towards phantom yesterDay screamed "Wolf!" to me. The way he keeps suspecting phantom yet insists that the two of you should be left for the seer is plain weird. Bringing up point after point against someone but refusing to vote that someone is strange, but even stranger is his sudden turn for voting phantom. Those things combined to his earlier behaviour, especially his votes, made me quite convinced of his guilt.

I haven't managed to draw any conclusions regarding the last wolf out of my case against Nogrod. However, I'll now make a lovely list post and ponder about the last wolf.


EDIT: x-ed with Gwath and Kath (Hey, that rhymes! Wow! )

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Oh and don't worry too much Rune...before the end of the day I was going to try to make sure people don't lynch you on my account, well unless you are the last wolf. Anyway, I realize with my mess yesterday I could have trapped an ordo by mistake.

Oh I could "live" with being lynched, it is just the thought of being beaten by Mormegil that makes me fall into a pit of despair and loose all will to live.

You know, if I ever was alive on the last day in a game together with Morm and another person I w
ould allways vote Morm. . .just to make sure.

I should probably add that I hold Morm in very high regard outside werewolf, but here he is my enemy.

[Boromir88]

I mean, the real seer could still be lurking somewhere with no chance to post toDay yet?~Lommy

I think you are just really paranoid right now still.

If there is the "real" seer lurking around, then it would be foolish not to step up now. With the Ka as one wolf, morm confessing, that makes two wolves, and if this is tp's and myself super bold to the point of stupidity wolf ploy, than we'd be dead. I admit I'm insane, and it's hard not to think everything I do is really just something evil, but also I do look at the benefits, if this was two last wolves strategy it would not work, there'd be no point.

It's like looking at Nogrod's theory of how if tp and I were wolves, this is what we would do, and all he did was spew out exactly what we were currently doing. Which by the way was absolutely hilarious Nogrod, but that was just too out there even for an innocent Nogrod.

Yesterday, since I found out morm was a wolf, and I was suspicious of his and Rune's interaction. I was honestly thinking about revealing and making Rune believe I dreamt he was a wolf, thus killing two wolves with one dream. But I was a little tentative and scared, that if I was wrong about Rune it could really backfire severely and thus there would be no benefit. So, I simply just went with being an annoying distraction and try to draw out some other wolves. So, for anyone who is innocent, sorry if I gave you a major migraine, I was just hoping to give the wolves a bigger one.

Lommy, you did outwit me, I don't know if tp would like to admit it, but I will. Also, you probably noticed how I assured tp that Legate was not the seer either and completely lied that in this set up the seer would like to lay low and try to get a couple dreams in.

Aren't you happy though that you will have to do no analysis on me or tp? That's got to be a big relief. Plus, morm I think might enjoy this as I would if I was in his place, so you dont' have to pay attention to anything he says today. Or Nogrod for that matter, whatever that sly wolf is up to.

[A Little Green]

So the third wolf is one of these guys:

Brinniel - I don't think it's her. I shouldn't be so sure of her, I know. If she's the wolf she's really really sneaky.
Gil-Galad - If it's him, I'll be angry.
Gwathagor - He's been the ultimate submarine to me. Might be the first one I'll look at if I have the time.
Ilya - Still no idea. Probably leaning innocent.
Lommy - I don't think it's her. She has seemed quite innocentish all through the game, and her reaction to Boro's reveal seemed genuine.
Kath - Gives me innocent vibes, though not as strong as Lommy or Brinn. I don't suspect her at the moment.
Nerwen - No idea. Might be - but then, I think morm's hints about her after his confession point more to Nerwen's innocence than to guilt. Unless morm is being really really unsporty that is. I'll just ignore his remarks for now.
Rune - Still seems innocentish. I don't suspect him.
Sally - Might be, might not be. I have no idea.

I don't think are wolves:
Brinn
Gil
Lommy
Kath
Rune

Might be wolves:
Gwath
Ilya
Nerwen
Sally

I have much stronger vibes about those I feel innocentish than those I don't. Ah well.

For a while I toyed with the possibility that our wolves are Boro, phantom, morm and Nog. But then I came to think about stuff like the real seer and the like. Just couldn't resist posting that scenario as well... (It just proves how reluctant I am to believe anything anyone says in WW. )

And, just so I won't forget it,

++ no filibuster


EDIT: x-ed with Boro

[the phantom]

Ah, so Lommy- you were betting on Boro being the Seer?

*sniff*

Why not me? Was my act not good enough?

But in all seriousness, after you began looking like you wouldn't in fact vote for us despite not believing us, I started wondering if you were suspecting that something Seerish was going on. The ideal behavior for such a situation would be to still keep some pressure on us (keep sparring, don't buy into us) but not actually vote for us. And that's what you did, and so when you voted for KA I gave a grin and thought, "Hmm... Lommy may indeed be on board with us."

I thought that Nog was catching on too for a bit, by continuing his suspicion and yet saying we should be left for the Seer. But then he turned and voted for me, which caused me much confusion.

Originally Posted by Green

The way he keeps suspecting phantom yet insists that the two of you should be left for the seer is plain weird. Bringing up point after point against someone but refusing to vote that someone is strange, but even stranger is his sudden turn for voting phantom.

The first part I didn't mind. Keeping me under pressure but not voting for me was a rather good way to treat me if you had in fact realized that I was innocent, as being under lynching pressure would make my Night survival more likely.

But then the turn and vote. Yeah. That confused me to no end. But now that I know what he is, I suppose it makes sense.

And in case you don't want to go back and look for it, here is the voting plan.

[Boromir88]

but even stranger is his sudden turn for voting phantom. Those things combined to his earlier behaviour, especially his votes, made me quite convinced of his guilt.~Greenie

Yes, and if you can't get it all out don't worry about it. But that is something that I was wondering about. When Nogrod voted it was

tp - 2
the Ka - 2
sally - 2

He put the phantom up, with Shasta (ordo), morm (wolf), and me (seer) and 3 votes left to vote.

So my question is why didn't he go for sally. There was no reason he could have possibly thought I would have voted for tp, so he had to have been banking on other votes. Obviously, morm's because he was a wolf, but maybe he thought Shasta would cast his in for tp?

However, morm would be put into a tough position if he was the deciding vote, because he had pretty much conceded to tp. Unless if Nogrod was purely banking on Shasta's vote for tp, in which case, morm could have cast his vote for me, causing tp's lynching. That could have been seen as suspicious, but wolf-morm could have wriggled his way out of it, and precisely why I didn't want him deciding things yesterday.

I think it's obvious that with Shasta's vote and reaction to my vote for the Ka made the wolves believe he was the seer. I assumed that some time during the 2nd day Shasta caught on to me being the seer, just how he was reacting to me. I was actually glad he was killed, because if he wasn't I would have had doubts as to whether he was a wolf too and it was a plan to have one turn on tp, and the others rescue him. It's clear though that they thought Shasta was the seer, because of his timely vote. I considered actually setting him up too for a death, and seeing if tp wanted to join, but I thought since we kind of already discussed that in detail about Agan, I didn't want to make it obvious. I had a strong feeling that Shasta was trying to pose as the seer for me, I'm glad he did, so I just let him do his thing.

But in my circular way here...why didn't Nogrod vote for sally, why make such an obvious turn on tp?

[the phantom]

The votes-

Ner +++ Sally
Rune ++ Boro
Boro ++ Ner
Sally ++ tp
Ilya ++ Boro
Kath ++ Ner

Left to vote-

Brinniel- vote Boro
Greenie- vote Phantom
Gwathagor- vote Nerwen
Lommy- vote Phantom
the phantom- vote Sally

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

why didn't Nogrod vote for sally, why make such an obvious turn on tp?

Unless he was wondering if I was the Seer and thought it would be worth it to bump me off, even if it did look a bit fishy.

Plus, you know Nog. He could've come up with a perfectly reasonable explanation for why he had done it.

[Boromir88]

Plus, you know Nog. He could've come up with a perfectly reasonable explanation for why he had done it.~the phantom

True, maybe we shouldn't make too much out of it. I just had in mind this, when I thought...wait a second the Ka and sally were tied with tp:

Sally lives to butter up, erm, serve, sweet Master.

Then I thought if sally is bold enough to say she's going to make me taste better when she eats me tonight. But then thought, I always imagined wolves were salt and pepper creatures.

[Boromir88]

Oh and Lommy I had crazy theories cooked up about you too, but that doesn't mean I have to make them public.

I thought once I knew about morm, and then thought Rune was also a wolf, I remembered Rune so adamantly campaigning for a representative position. That reminded me of you on Day 1 saying, you would think wolves would not want to be reps, and would just want to sit back. So, I had this big thing rolling in my head that you would try to get everyone to believe the wolves didn't want to be reps, when the whole time your partners would be out there campaigning. Now you see just a little bit of the really out in outer-space ideas and theories go through my head in all this.

For what it's worth, I think what you've said, and claim fits well, and like you said about my reveal, there's no gaping holes. So, I am inclined to believe you're innocent (and I sure hope if you are a wolf you don't try Nogrod's plan and try to argue me assuring that you are innocent).

[Mithalwen]

No filibuster? *feels deprived* but I guess I wouldn't have been around to see it. Yet I had hoped to see The Phantom or Mr Aconite go off on one .....

[the phantom]

You want to hear a crazy theory, Boro?

If Fea approves then I'll tell the absolutely crazy thought I had yesterday afternoon. I have to get her approval first because it features political terms (though, I assure you, no personal opinions or anything like that).

So... Fea... permission to share my special wacky thoughts?

[the phantom]

Mith- I'll be on the lookout for a filibuster opportunity tomorrow. Promise. Just for you.

[Mithalwen]

Thank you so much! That is very considerate

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

By the way, can we do triple lynches in this village?

Here's why I ask.


Pretend I'm Fea. "But Sally, you're not pure evil and enjoy screwing with people's heads". Suspension of disbelief, children. Just pretend I'm Fea.

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it off until toMorrow if you so desired, but why wait if we can do it toDay?


(Oh, and Phantom, that was the 'flaw' that I mentioned earlier. Heh told you the plan was fine. I just wanted to make additions)

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

However, you're being awfully precipitous, Sally. We've only just started discussing the fourth wolf's identity...and you're ready to drag Gil to the scaffold?

Besides, look how complicated it was to plan a double-lynch. We don't even know if it'll come off. Have you thought about how much a triple-lynch increases the chance of something going wrong?

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #1309

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

So... Fea... permission to share my special wacky thoughts?

You may tell them about Repub-lycans.

Are you going to tell them about the bath, too?

[Nerwen]

You know, it's really funny seeing the phantom's and Mithalwen's sig's in close proximity.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Fea

Are you going to tell them about the bath, too?

What bath? I... um... don't know what you're talking about. These thoughts could've taken place anywhere- don't know why you'd assume a bath was involved. *cough*

Well, now that I have permission, here is an excerpt from my head yesterday afternoon.

This Werewolf game has been fun. It's great the way Fea and Mith post right in the middle of the game as if they are players. Has Rikae posted at all? I should go look.

Wait a minute, why are there three Mods? Fea's been doing all the writing. What are the other two doing?

Oh my goodness! There must be something funny going on at Night!

Are there two teams of Wolves, and each team has their own Mod? Since this is political, I suppose it's like the Repub-lycans versus the DemoWolves. They're in competition of course, but how is it determined who kills at Night?

Ooh, ooh, maybe a couple of people going at me yesterday honestly thought I was a WW, because they are WWs themselves! And they think Boro and I are the other team! That would be sweet!

Ooh, ooh, maybe the teams were selected via RL political leanings! So naturally morm would be a Repub-lycan... But who as a partner. I can't remember what anyone thinks politically. The Fins would probably be more lefty, so maybe....

Hold on, Phantom, you're going off the deep end here. Sure, there's probably something fishy going on at Night, especially with the multi-Mods, but let's not leap to conclusions. Maybe you should go through Fea's posts and look for her hints.

Ah, but she said that it probably wouldn't help.

*sigh*

Whatever. I'll find out everything after it is all said and done. Stop thinking so much.

Anyway, there you go. That's the kind of thing that goes on in my head at random moments throughout the day.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You know, it's really funny seeing the phantom's and Mithalwen's sig's in close proximity.

I don't seen the connection.....

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

Wasn't that actually Nogrod? *raises an eyebrow* Hmmm...

Originally Posted by Boro

If there is the "real" seer lurking around, then it would be foolish not to step up now.

Yes, indeed, I do not disagree with that, my phrasing was just a bit unclear. I merely meant that it is possible that the real seer is among those who haven't managed to get online at all toDay yet and that's why I was a little doubtful of how quickly everybody took your word for it.

But anyway, it does not matter. I'm inclined to believe you really are the seer, and morm is a wolf anyway, and we have no problems with numbers yet, so we may very well double-lynch him and Nog toDay even if this was some evil ploy of yours.

So,

++phantom for rep

and

++no filibuster

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, you probably noticed how I assured tp that Legate was not the seer either and completely lied that in this set up the seer would like to lay low and try to get a couple dreams in.

Nah, I didn't. I only properly realised what you were probably doing sometime late-ish yesterDay...

Originally Posted by Boro

Aren't you happy though that you will have to do no analysis on me or tp?

Surely I am.

Originally Posted by tp

Ah, so Lommy- you were betting on Boro being the Seer?
*sniff*
Why not me? Was my act not good enough?

That is a good question. Honestly, I do not know or remember, but I thought all the time that if one of you is the seer, it's Boro.

But Boro and tp - you still haven't answered my question. Why on earth get your known innocent killed, of all the possible people? I understand Boro needed to be protected from the Night-kill, but couldn't you have tried anyone else after the Gil-plan failed? Were you so desperate to pick someone who wasn't a wolf? (That's the only explanation that makes any sense to me...)


edit: xed with phantom and Mith

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think someone has already noted that Fea's failure to modfire Gil may well point to something.

However, you're being awfully precipitous, Sally. We've only just started discussing the fourth wolf's identity...and you're ready to drag Gil to the scaffold?

Besides, look how complicated it was to plan a double-lynch. We don't even know if it'll come off. Have you thought about how much a triple-lynch increases the chance of something going wrong?

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #1309

Hence why I suggested perhaps we try it toMorrow instead.


Mind you, you're in an awful hurry to make other people look bad, Nerwen my dear. I'm just trying to help. If it's just the four of us as reps it shouldn't even be a problem. Boro and Phantom could follow the original plan, I would vote for Gil, and unless you decide to do something to muck up the plan (which I'm thinking and hoping you won't, because if you do you'll have some splaining to do) it should work perfectly.


Gil's as good as dead anyway, except for the actual dying bit. For one thing (not to be rude) I don't think it's fair for him to survive the game if he doesn't even play. And besides, you KNOW Fea would do something like that. Yeah, someone might have mentioned it, but I've noticed it a few days ago and decided we might as well kill two birds (or in this case three I suppose) with one stone while we've got the resources to do it with. We could probably pull this off again toMorrow (if we're lucky) but beyond that it would be sketchy, what with Phantom probably being the next night's kill and then we're back to not being able to trust anyone.

Besides, it's a safe lynch (excuse my phrasing) because we know we won't kill the seer and even if Gil's an ordo it will not be a loss game-wise. No matter what he is, either we kill a wolf or we kill a player who is not helping. (And I'll take the risk of losing an ordo out of our numbers because with only one wolf left we should be fine). Besides, notice Nog at some point (I'll quote the post when I find it) was in favor of keeping Gil around to support our numbers. I wonder why it would be such a big deal to....oh, let's see....a wolf? Hmmmm....


See? Makes perfect sense, even outside my head. At least to me. Erm, wait.

However, I know it's only proper to bring this before the village and see what they say before I did anything like that.


So, village? What think you?



EDIT: x'd with Lommie Mommie