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Eönwë · 01-05-2010, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

4. The element precedes the creation, says the queen.

Is it Varda?

V (Vanadium, a chemical element)+ Arda (the created world)

Oh, and of course, she's the "Queen of the Stars"

edit: Also, Vanadium is named after Vanadis, another name of Freyja, who according to some theories might be Odin's wife, which would but her in a similar position to Varda. But I digress...

Mnemosyne · 01-05-2010, 12:44 PM

Yup. Which means we're down to the last one... I've given some hints as to how you need to solve that one, and what specifically in the clue should lead you to the elsewhere that can give you the answer.

Mnemosyne · 01-05-2010, 12:45 PM

Repost for the new page:

1. Pip - If he'd been named Meriwether, maybe he wouldn't have had such a devil of a time trying to woo the woman of his dreams.
2. Nessa - Lady buried in one's sadness
3. Golfimbul - Foe enjoys sport within kine, we hear.
4. Varda - The element precedes the creation, says the queen.
5. Gil-galad - Unnetted hero and boy become king
6. Teleri - Sailors back up anger, permitted.
7. Argon - Noble Noldo

Eönwë · 01-05-2010, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Yup.

So you do <3 chemistry then.

Mnemosyne · 01-05-2010, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

So you do <3 chemistry then.

Yup. Not sure if I'm ever going to be able to work Boron into a clue, though.

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-05-2010, 07:00 PM

Hmm, my dire lack of chemistry knowledge appears to have counted against me here.

I am afraid that 1. has me stumped too, although I believe that I have the Password.

Since it is bad form to give the Password (and thereby claim the thread) before the puzzle is complete, I do not propose stating it here. However, in case it helps anyone else to solve the clue, I would note that (if I am right) finding the Password will provide an additional clue to the answer to 1.

Eönwë · 01-06-2010, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Yup. Not sure if I'm ever going to be able to work Boron into a clue, though.

"The sound of the other marsh ends the Boron next in line"?

Yeah, I think I have the password, I'm just trying to work out what the first clue could be.

Mithalwen · 01-07-2010, 09:45 AM

I haven't got a clue about either....

I am not just holding back because I don't want to make the next one up...

Mnemosyne · 01-07-2010, 12:25 PM

Darn, I'd had such great expectations for this one...

Mithalwen · 01-12-2010, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Yes. The answer itself is within Tolkien; in order to get there you have to combine knowledge of Tolkien's stuff with other stuff. This will give you an answer that's valid with said "other stuff" but also happens to be Tolkienian. Like a cryptic, in that sense; only not on the verbal level.

Gosh, that was complicated.

A clue as to where you need to look can be found in the word "devil."

Okies...

Well I have looked up all the names for the devil I can find and only "old Harry" seems to have any hint of Middle Earth as in Mr Goat leaf... The devils of Middle Earth would be Morgoth and Sauron.... arguably Feanor as a fallen Lucifer ala Paradise lost.. but I can't see how they would make sense with the rest of the clue. Lusting after the dumb brunette doesn't seem to quite equate with a wooing....

I am struggling to think of characters who had problems with wooing..as opposed to getting Daddy's consent... Not Aldarion, Turin maybe, Eol more or less kidnapped Aredhel...

Gah,... not sure if I am being dim or overthinking or both...

Mnemosyne · 01-12-2010, 02:02 PM

There's another synonym for "devil" which will direct you to another author's works... find some similarities to LotR names and you should have your answer.

Mithalwen · 01-14-2010, 11:24 AM

You are working on the assumption that I read anything other than Tolkien....

Screwtape Letters I have read but I don't think that is relevant...

Mnemosyne · 01-14-2010, 11:29 AM

Well, it's one of those authors whose books they make you read in school... That and I've been punting hints left and right for some time yet. Combined with the almighty powers of Spark Notes I'm sure someone can figure this out.

Mithalwen · 01-14-2010, 11:34 AM

Will go and google spark notes .... School as in school or university?

Mnemosyne · 01-14-2010, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

School as in school or university?

Depends on how much the education system has gone down the crapper...

Mithalwen · 01-14-2010, 11:47 AM

If it were published since I left either I may have to shoot myself on grounds of age as well as stupidity... now on S and haven't been inspired...

Mithalwen · 01-14-2010, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Depends on how much the education system has gone down the crapper...

We wouldn't have been allowed to say that when I was at school.... not very ladylike language Mnemo...

Mnemosyne · 01-14-2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

We wouldn't have been allowed to say that when I was at school.... not very ladylike language Mnemo...

Hopefully you'd have had no reason to say that! If you'd like I can substitute the word "latrines" or "garderobes."

But actually I should think that age would put you at an advantage to this clue as it would be more likely that something of the author's was still required reading.

Mithalwen · 01-14-2010, 12:05 PM

Well I did cop the aftermath of syllabus modernisation which meant we didn't do so many classics... Nothing to do with Kit Marlowe's Faustus? Which I did first year of Uni...

Mnemosyne · 01-14-2010, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Well I did cop the aftermath of syllabus modernisation which meant we didn't do so many classics... Nothing to do with Kit Marlowe's Faustus? Which I did first year of Uni...

Think later. I'm looking for a famous novel.

wilwarin538 · 01-14-2010, 03:39 PM

Is 1. Pippin? (like Pip from Great Expectations (who I believe does not end up with his love in the end) by Charles Dickens (like "what the dickens!", substitute for the word devil), don't get the Meriwether part though)

If it's right though I have no idea about the password so someone else can snag it.

Mnemosyne · 01-14-2010, 04:20 PM

So... ridiculously... close...

To get the full joke take a look at Appendix C (only later editions, though) as well as a character list for the novel alluded to.

Someone who has the Password should be able to take it from here.

Mithalwen · 01-15-2010, 12:20 PM

Since I don't have my copy with me... in the time honoured phrase... I tried Google and found this... I may be gone some time

Mnemosyne · 01-15-2010, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Since I don't have my copy with me... in the time honoured phrase... I tried Google and found this... I may be gone some time

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???

*Mnemo's free time disappears in a black hole*

Oh, well... at least you didn't link to TVTropes.

Mithalwen · 01-16-2010, 06:14 AM

Ooh I willget to that when I have finished giggling about the interorc fight which allows Merry and Pipping to escape being a difference of opinion as to whether Balrogs have wings... oh yes novel and family trees... ummm I'll get back to you..

Lalaith · 01-20-2010, 05:51 PM

*butts in*
Well, both Merry (LotR) and Pip (GE) loved ladies called Estella, or not as the case may be. But I don't get the Meriwether either.

Mnemosyne · 01-20-2010, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

*butts in*
Well, both Merry (LotR) and Pip (GE) loved ladies called Estella, or not as the case may be. But I don't get the Meriwether either.

One of them gets the girl and one doesn't. I blame it on the name, but since Meriadoc isn't a first name in Victorian England...

Mithalwen · 01-23-2010, 10:44 AM

And Meriwether is?

So am I being terminally thick or is this solved. I am only vaguely familiar with Great Expectations having slogged my way through other Dickens tomes for the sake of my education...

Mnemosyne · 01-23-2010, 03:54 PM

No character, but you might be able to shorten his name to that of a character in a different universe who did get an Estella.

The only reason this isn't solved is because no one's actually hazarded the answer. The last guess that wilwa ventured was "Pippin," which was very close but not quite correct.

Mithalwen · 01-24-2010, 10:25 AM

So just Pip then.....? I am still clueless about the password since seemingly it is a linked word rather than a "straight" one...

Mnemosyne · 01-24-2010, 05:29 PM

Yes!

And the password is up for grabs!!

Nerwen · 01-27-2010, 10:39 PM

Of course! PNGVGTA!

...Er... wait a moment...

Nerwen · 01-27-2010, 10:47 PM

I know! I know! It's an acronym, isn't it?

The password is: Papua New Guinea versus Grand Theft Auto.

Am I right or am I right?

Mithalwen · 01-28-2010, 11:24 AM

Nerwen, you beat me to it...

but surely Pngvgta was one of the Pukel men?

Eönwë · 01-28-2010, 02:53 PM

I was waiting for SPM, but ok...

Paladin, as in Paladin Took

Mnemosyne · 01-28-2010, 03:06 PM

That's it--the last letter of each word instead of the first.

Thread's yours, Eonwe.

Mithalwen · 01-29-2010, 12:05 PM

Oh.......... I have been like Gandalf trying to get into Moria ... I have been wracking my brains trying to thing of a link between two Valier a brace of Noldo, the sea elves a hobbit and a goblin king...

I am a plank....

Mnemosyne · 02-19-2010, 02:43 PM

Eonwe?

Eönwë · 02-21-2010, 08:50 AM

Totally forgot about this... let me think...

Turambar · 03-25-2010, 05:52 PM

Anyone?

01-05-2010, 12:44 PM	#1282
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Yup. Which means we're down to the last one... I've given some hints as to how you need to solve that one, and what specifically in the clue should lead you to the elsewhere that can give you the answer. __________________ Got corsets?

01-05-2010, 12:45 PM	#1283
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Repost for the new page: 1. Pip - If he'd been named Meriwether, maybe he wouldn't have had such a devil of a time trying to woo the woman of his dreams. 2. Nessa - Lady buried in one's sadness 3. Golfimbul - Foe enjoys sport within kine, we hear. 4. Varda - The element precedes the creation, says the queen. 5. Gil-galad - Unnetted hero and boy become king 6. Teleri - Sailors back up anger, permitted. 7. Argon - Noble Noldo __________________ Got corsets? Last edited by Mnemosyne; 01-24-2010 at 05:30 PM.

01-05-2010, 07:00 PM	#1286
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmm, my dire lack of chemistry knowledge appears to have counted against me here. I am afraid that 1. has me stumped too, although I believe that I have the Password. Since it is bad form to give the Password (and thereby claim the thread) before the puzzle is complete, I do not propose stating it here. However, in case it helps anyone else to solve the clue, I would note that (if I am right) finding the Password will provide an additional clue to the answer to 1. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-07-2010, 09:45 AM	#1288
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I haven't got a clue about either.... I am not just holding back because I don't want to make the next one up... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-07-2010, 12:25 PM	#1289
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Darn, I'd had such great expectations for this one... __________________ Got corsets? Last edited by Mnemosyne; 01-14-2010 at 01:09 PM. Reason: The subtlety of this hint is now approximately the size of the movie!Witch-King's mace.

01-12-2010, 02:02 PM	#1291
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	There's another synonym for "devil" which will direct you to another author's works... find some similarities to LotR names and you should have your answer. __________________ Got corsets?

01-14-2010, 11:24 AM	#1292
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	You are working on the assumption that I read anything other than Tolkien.... Screwtape Letters I have read but I don't think that is relevant... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-14-2010, 11:29 AM	#1293
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Well, it's one of those authors whose books they make you read in school... That and I've been punting hints left and right for some time yet. Combined with the almighty powers of Spark Notes I'm sure someone can figure this out. __________________ Got corsets?

01-14-2010, 11:34 AM	#1294
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Will go and google spark notes .... School as in school or university? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-14-2010, 11:47 AM	#1296
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	If it were published since I left either I may have to shoot myself on grounds of age as well as stupidity... now on S and haven't been inspired... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-14-2010, 12:05 PM	#1299
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Well I did cop the aftermath of syllabus modernisation which meant we didn't do so many classics... Nothing to do with Kit Marlowe's Faustus? Which I did first year of Uni... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-14-2010, 03:39 PM	#1301
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Is 1. Pippin? (like Pip from Great Expectations (who I believe does not end up with his love in the end) by Charles Dickens (like "what the dickens!", substitute for the word devil), don't get the Meriwether part though) If it's right though I have no idea about the password so someone else can snag it. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin Last edited by wilwarin538; 01-14-2010 at 04:08 PM. Reason: reorganise the sentence to make more sense

01-14-2010, 04:20 PM	#1302
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	So... ridiculously... close... To get the full joke take a look at Appendix C (only later editions, though) as well as a character list for the novel alluded to. Someone who has the Password should be able to take it from here. __________________ Got corsets?

01-15-2010, 12:20 PM	#1303
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	aieeee.... Since I don't have my copy with me... in the time honoured phrase... I tried Google and found this... I may be gone some time __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-16-2010, 06:14 AM	#1305
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Ooh I willget to that when I have finished giggling about the interorc fight which allows Merry and Pipping to escape being a difference of opinion as to whether Balrogs have wings... oh yes novel and family trees... ummm I'll get back to you.. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-20-2010, 05:51 PM	#1306
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	butts in Well, both Merry (LotR) and Pip (GE) loved ladies called Estella, or not as the case may be. But I don't get the Meriwether either. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-23-2010, 10:44 AM	#1308
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	And Meriwether is? So am I being terminally thick or is this solved. I am only vaguely familiar with Great Expectations having slogged my way through other Dickens tomes for the sake of my education... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-23-2010, 03:54 PM	#1309
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	No character, but you might be able to shorten his name to that of a character in a different universe who did get an Estella. The only reason this isn't solved is because no one's actually hazarded the answer. The last guess that wilwa ventured was "Pippin," which was very close but not quite correct. __________________ Got corsets?

01-24-2010, 10:25 AM	#1310
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	So just Pip then.....? I am still clueless about the password since seemingly it is a linked word rather than a "straight" one... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-24-2010, 05:29 PM	#1311
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Yes! And the password is up for grabs!! __________________ Got corsets?

01-27-2010, 10:39 PM	#1312
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Of course! PNGVGTA! ...Er... wait a moment... __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

01-27-2010, 10:47 PM	#1313
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I know! I know! It's an acronym, isn't it? The password is: Papua New Guinea versus Grand Theft Auto. Am I right or am I right? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

01-28-2010, 11:24 AM	#1314
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Nerwen, you beat me to it... but surely Pngvgta was one of the Pukel men? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-28-2010, 02:53 PM	#1315
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	I was waiting for SPM, but ok... Paladin, as in Paladin Took __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

01-28-2010, 03:06 PM	#1316
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	That's it--the last letter of each word instead of the first. Thread's yours, Eonwe. __________________ Got corsets?

01-29-2010, 12:05 PM	#1317
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Oh.......... I have been like Gandalf trying to get into Moria ... I have been wracking my brains trying to thing of a link between two Valier a brace of Noldo, the sea elves a hobbit and a goblin king... I am a plank.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-19-2010, 02:43 PM	#1318
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	*bump* Eonwe? __________________ Got corsets?

02-21-2010, 08:50 AM	#1319
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Totally forgot about this... let me think... __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-25-2010, 05:52 PM	#1320
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Anyone? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

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