Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Boromir88]

By the way, I got your hint Fea...good one. Thanks for posting that too Nerwen.

[Brinniel]

Boromir: Still bugs me. I just don't find his behaviour to be natural. I would be at all surprised if he were a wolf.

Greenie: I tend to agree with a lot of things she says...but I still can't decide whether she's innocent or guilty.

Gwathagor: Falling way under my radar. Which rings my alarm bells.

Lommy: I still think Aganzir's death makes her look more innocentish than not.

Nerwen: A few of her comments are rather odd and a bit suspicious. But other than that she looks fine.

Rune: The way he seemed to buddy up to morm earlier toDay was rather fishy.

the phantom: Already talked plenty about him. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he turned out to be a wolf. Though I doubt more and more that he's a wolf with Boromir.

Ilya: Ooh, there's another one who is sliding under my radar..

Shasta: Hmm...that Ka vote came out of nowhere. Not so innocent as I thought perhaps?

Sally: Seems like her typical self. Nothing stands out as suspicious about her.

Gil-Galad: Still MIA.

Kath: I'm still getting innocentish vibes from her and I don't see any reason to suspect her.

morm: As I mentioned to Boro earlier, I do actually find him rather creepy.

Noggie: He's someone I need to take a closer look at toMorrow. Why do I feel like he's being inconsistent and all over the place? I don't know...his behaviour just seems odd.

Ka: She's already dead, but I'll share my opinion on the matter anyway. She's been so quiet and submarine-ish, it's something I find quite unsettling. Though honestly I don't think I would've chosen to lynch her toDay as there are others who I suspect more and it would've been nice to give her another Day to defend herself...though I suppose there wasn't much guarantee that she'd even show up to do that...

So...

Suspicious
Boromir
Rune
the phantom
morm
Noggie

No Clue
Nerwen
Greenie
Gwath
Ilya
Shasta

Innocentish
Lommy
Sally
Gil
Kath

Already Dead
Ka

There, I contributed. A little late, but oh well.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

For anybody who feels left out, I apologize. I should probably have mentioned it before the game started, but I believe at this point it's common knowledge that if you play in one of my games, you should expect the occasional bit of modly intervention and reference to the good old days?

It's a bit like taking an advanced course rather than an intro level- you should already be acquainted with the basics before you sign up. Bit late for that warning now, though...

[Boromir88]

Oh wait scratch that...I didn't that didn't happen until after the comments. I should have known it wasn't going to be that easy.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Not testy, I answered your question. You asked why I didn't go with who I was most suspicious of... and I said there was no point. I just hope they (meaning innocents) will look at it tomorrow and see who's been doing the poking and trying to continue the foray after you said you were calming down and backing away.

Boro, I was genuinely confused and trying to catch up I said...

Wouldn't you have been better off, mister wielder of 3 votes, to go with the person you suspected the most...wouldnt' they have been in the lead? Or did tummy already have 4? Like I said I'm not fully caught up on what happened for the last few hours.

To which you replied with this...

It was

tp - 4
The Ka - 2
Sally - 2

Shasta and I cross-voted both for the Ka. We both assumed we would be putting the Ka ahead/tied with tp.

So, if you're trying to apply suspicion because I didn't end up voting for you, it's not going to work, and you should stop now. There was no point, at the time I really didn't know what Shasta was going to do, you certainly weren't going to vote for yourself. I got back from the school, looked at the votes, and decided to go with option 2.

I wasn't trying to apply suspicion I was merely trying to make sense of things.

[Boromir88]

morm, all they're going to have to do is look at your first question.

[Ilya]

It's a bit like taking an advanced course rather than an intro level- you should already be acquainted with the basics before you sign up. Bit late for that warning now, though...

Ha. It's a good thing I'm only taking this course pass/fail, then.

Seems like I missed all the action. Sorry I couldn't get together a post tonight, y'all. I think the kill tonight is going to tell us much more about what happened today than most of the analysis we -or, well I- could pull out of the Day itself, anyway. I'd lay even money that all the vocal participants are still going be around at dawn. Very interested to see what comes of The Ka as well. I'm pessimistic about bagging a wolf on that one, but hopefully I'm wrong.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by mormegil

So I just got home, well not home per se. We are staying at a guest house while our floors are done. I finally was able to get internet access and I'm just catching up but from what I've skimmed I see that THE Ka will be sent to the gallows today. This is rather surprising and I wonder where it came from. I know Lommy had mused about it on and off and she started the vote but then for Boro and Shasta to jump on quickly seems odd to me. There was really not substance given for her vote, unless I am missing something.

Here I'll make it easier for them. I think I have backed off that doesn't mean I won't question new things that arise.

[Boromir88]

My response to that post isn't the one you called testy.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My response to that post isn't the one you called testy.

No the actual chain was above with the above question being my first that triggered you saying no reason morm just thought phantom more innocent. Then I asked if we wouldn't have been better off with you voting who you though guilty because I was unaware that tummy had tied with The Ka to which you responded fairly testily

[Boromir88]

I was willing to move on from the abrasive back-and-forth attacks, as you expressed frustration and said you were going to stop.

But every chance you've had to get in a shot below the belt you've taken, if you want to continue this grand show, step into the ring and you better bring your gloves.

[Boromir88]

Before you say you haven't been prodding anything...

Well it's good to see that Boro's record is above reproach just don't bring it up otherwise he won't like it.

Now this isn't to ridicule you but I have noticed that Boro has been throwing out statements like what you just said all day. I can only imagine that you are now influenced by him.

Wouldn't you have been better off, mister wielder of 3 votes, to go with the person you suspected the most...wouldnt' they have been in the lead?

(bold my emphasis)

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was willing to move on from the abrasive back-and-forth attacks, as you expressed frustration and said you were going to stop.

But every chance you've had to get in a shot below the belt you've taken, if you want to continue this grand show, step into the ring and you better bring your gloves.

Boro what are you talking about? I did take one cheap shot, I admit...the whole voting thing but I couldn't pass it up. Am I suppose to ignore everything you do and not question it? No, of course not. I was not attacking you but trying to make sense of the situation. All you had to do was explain it that Tummy had 4 votes too and the issue would have been solved. I was under the impression the he had 2 and the Ka had 4 so it would have made sense to me to vote for whomever you felt most guilty and give that person a shot at being lynched...bah you seem to not want to move on, it's not me.

[the phantom]

All right.

You two are not allowed to talk to each other tomorrow.

No quoting each other. No anything.

Bad boys!

EDIT: I forgot Downs time was so far behind. It turned out I had a chance to post again after all. Good night, everyone.

[Boromir88]

tp go work on your house or whatever it is you left for.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Before you say you haven't been prodding anything...
(bold my emphasis)

The last two were not prods. You took the third one wrong...the second was me talking to Lommy about how she was being influenced...you are influential after all.

[Boromir88]

Go ahead fea.

[satansaloser2005]

Oi! Play nice, children!



See, that's why I wanted one of them dead instead of phantom. We'd still get arguing and nonsense, but this is taking it a bit too far. Almost like it was staged to be a nasty 'argument'.


EDIT in advance: probably x'd with the moddess
EDIT #2: Guess not. Cool.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The wolf that went bump in the night
Was a statue of carved diorite.
The village, they caught her,
Ozymandias’s daughter
And were pleased to finally get a lynch right.

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)

Alive:

Boromir88
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
the phantom

[Boromir88]

Question...how the heck have I become a rep all 3 days...what in the...?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Shh, just because I got distracted and didn't post on the dot doesn't mean I don't get the last word.

[Formendacil]

As the guest-mod of Milady Fea, I have been invited to present Michael d'Edmontonis's argument from his Summa Contra Lupa (The Summation Against the Wolves). The text is, as follows:

Objection I Pseudo-Underhill proves that men have a life beyond the Downs, and that the intrinsic Internet principles inhere in Men, not in the Internet.

Objection II The Administrator declares that any thread not locked can be posted on by a member not banned. But as Shasta is not banned, thus he could post, and so he is not dead.

On the contrary, Fea says that Shasta is an ordo. Ordos are wolf-meat. Therefore, having been eaten, Shasta is dead.

I answer that, To be dead, Shasta must needs be no more what he was as a living ordo. That is, he must be no more a free agent on the Internet, that acts according to the intrinsic principles of the Internet, and that these acts are the summation of his existence. Therefore, since Shasta no longer can act according to those intrinsic principles, e.g. post upon the thread, vote for candidates, or be voted for; it follows that Shasta is no longer any more within the thread, which is what we mean when we say "Shasta is dead."

Reply Obj. I. Not every principle is a first principle. Therefore, though it is the nature of an Internet action to be caused or moved by an exterior action, beyond the Internet, it is not intrinsic to the nature of the Internet action that it be a first principle.

Reply Obj. II. New actions in users are sustained by the continuing action of the Administrators. Thus, Shasta can only act insofar as his action is sustained by the approbation of the Administrators. Since the Game Moderator acts in persona Administratorum within the confines of the game, her actions are those of the Administrators, and no action by Shasta is possible since it would contravene her will and not be sustained in the record of the thread.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)

Alive:

Boromir88
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
the phantom

Let Day begin. Wolves may continue to PM until 'Downs Time Deadline. Village: have at it!

[Boromir88]

tp, if I gave you directions today would you be willing to execute?

[the phantom]

Shasta, huh? Well done, lad. You killed a WW with your vote and bought the Seer another dream with your death.

Guess I'd better go back and look over his posts and determine possible reasons for doing him in.

EDIT: x-post

[Gwathagor]

KA, huh? Ok, well, I'm glad my rep is smarter than me.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

tp, if I gave you directions today would you be willing to execute?

What are you trying to do, Boro? We've already learned that people assume Wolfishness when any sort of trust is shown. If I agree to help you with anything, or if it even looks like I'm helping you with anything, we'll find ourselves in danger yet again.

I still have no guarantee that you're on my side. You could be a WW playing brilliantly.

But naturally, if you are a WW then I know you have already been busted by the Seer and it's only a matter of time before you're dead.

And so.... I do indeed find it quite logical to agree to work with you. If you're guilty then you'll be dead soon enough. If you are innocent then I think you can do quite a bit of good.

If you can manage to keep from fighting with people, that is. Remember Boro- no fighting with morm today! (Unless you absolutely must.)

[Boromir88]

Night 1 a phantom dream came to be
an innocent was revealed to me.
Night 2 at Agan I did glean
she was a person completely clean.
Night 3 hmm lets see morm, I thought,
and the first wolf was caught.
Night 4 after Nogrod pulled a Legate
I saw a creature full of hate.

My poetic attempt, surely not as pleasant or beautiful as our wonderful modgodess, Fea.

[Gwathagor]

What...?

[Boromir88]

tp, we need to get a double lynch orchestrated today and I need some help

[the phantom]

I was suspecting you were the Seer, Boro, but those weren't the dreams I thought you had.

[mormegil]

Interesting, Boro who's been playing seer the whole game is now claiming to be the seer. Clever ploy my friend, let's see if it works.

[Boromir88]

I only left a clue to Agan and morm...and for you I just played absolutely sure to your innocence that there was no way I was the seer.

[the phantom]

I was right about you dreaming me on Night 1.

I was right about you dreaming Agan on Night 2.

But yesterday I was thinking your Night 3 dream had been Nog, and that's why I tried to place him as innocent and call him innocent, and even stated that I really wanted to give him my Rep vote.

In other words I was trying to look as if I had had your dream. I was convinced that he had been your dream after you voted him your Rep power. I didn't like his 180, but since I thought you had dreamed him Ordo I tried to spin it as making him innocent looking.

But it turns out morm was your dream. Ah well.

[Ilya]

And more Watchmen references, Boro. You need more of those.

That actually brings up a game mechanics thing I've been wondering about. tp's been talking about the seer fingering people and busting them and stuff. How does the lucky bugger with the dreams reveal to us the wolves that are hiding, usually? I mean, besides through poetry (your rhymes were good, I thought).

Ka, huh? Well, one of the submarines had to be lupine. I almost wish it had been Gil, though. That's gutsy playing: just don't post. And Shasta, too. Darn it, that means I need to go back and reread again.

Edit: Double lynching? Don't just ask phantom, man. If you're in the spirit to share, tell all of us.

[Boromir88]

Post 472:

Why bother if you're most likely going to find me innocent? You see? All I'm really trying to do is stop you from wasting your time.

Post 483:

thus he's innocent you see...Going off his posts though it just doesn't make sense.

I bet you wanted the innocent Legate lynched yesterday you see...Although I would also bet you didn't want to get your paws messy.

Post 495:

That is precisely why I'm quite comfortable with assuming your innocence. Don't you see? Not only are you...

These are the only 4 times I've used "you see" and take the letters right after each time spells Agan. Each sentence contains some form of innocent - thus Agan is innocent.

For morm's, it came at the beginning of yesterday, Post 801:

Well, after virtually 4 days of analyzing the only thing that I find suspicious is our monopoly of radiant moderators. So, that means I'm scrapping everything and starting anew.

[Nerwen]

Okay.

Firstly– R.I.P. Shasta! And nice work from our reps... As I said, I probably wouldn't have voted for Ka if it had been up to me.


So you're the Seer, Boro? I thought it was the phantom.

EDIT: X'd since Boro at #1233.
EDIT: fixed previous edit.

[Boromir88]

If the Ka hadn't turned out to be a wolf, I probably wouldn't have dreamt of Nogrod, I would have gone for Rune.

Nerwen, I thought you knew it was me with your comment about me signing Agan's death warrant "I'm going to have to start suspecting you." Thus, when I didn't end up dead I felt confident in your innocence...I still do by the way, but you could be a nasty sneaky wolf right now.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Ka, huh? Well, one of the submarines had to be lupine. I almost wish it had been Gil, though.

It may still be Gil.

Boro, on this quote-

Originally Posted by Boro

Well, after virtually 4 days of analyzing the only thing that I find suspicious is our monopoly of radiant moderators. So, that means I'm scrapping everything and starting anew.

I knew that statement was different. I read it over a couple times and thought to myself that something wasn't right. Now I know what it was. Great work.

Great work also with the Agan trail.

I assumed you were simply using your Rep vote to flag innocents. And if you repeated your Rep vote (for someone you'd already gone for) that would mean you had dreamt a WW.

I was right on Day 1 and 2 I guess.

[Boromir88]

For my Agan clue, I totally owe it to Shasta...and I think right now I probably owe my life to him too. Well done sir.