Password

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Hubris: pride, arrogance.

Yes.

It's the name, not what the person does.

[Huinesoron]

For the new page:

1. Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
2. Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
3. One known for hubris in extremity.
4. Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas
5. He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
6. He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
7. Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

#3: "ProudFEET!", surely? Probably Odo Proudfoot, but he has relatives.

hS

[Huinesoron]

#7: If there's no cryptic component, KHAMUL is unnamed in the book, but is the only named Nazgul.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
2. Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
4. Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.
5. He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
6. He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Odo is the one who seems most vocally proud of it, though. (Sorry, Urwen - forgot that when I said hubris referred to the name, not what the person does. It does mostly refer to the name, though).

[Urwen]

Password: Book *insert number here*

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Password: Book *insert number here*

Given the presence of Odo Proudfoot, surely that's BOOK ONE?

Which does suggest KINGSFOIL for #4, but only from the word 'athelas'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
K: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

O: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
N: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

I'm quite relieved to have finally used up all six of my 'Book --' passwords - once I'd written one, I couldn't rest until I'd written all six, (in the same evening).

I can't *believe* I could have used kingsfoil for number 4 and didn't think of it! The K answers were the most difficult ones to find, though, and were always going to be the ones that gave away the password too quickly, I thought. That's why I posted the puzzle with the slightly more difficult 'Kindness' for answer number 4 before this one. And the 'Kings' Norbury' answer in Book VI was originally just 'King.' (The name comes up in a conversation with Butterbur on the way back to the Shire, although Gandalf actually says 'Norbury of the Kings.')

I do quite like the straight clue I used instead, though. And it conjured up a scene from Book 1 very nicely, I thought.

(And Khamul the Easterling covers the actual 'Flight to the Ford,' because he had to be at that - all of the Nine were).

Ey up, don't you just hate those narcissistic pillocks who explain their passwords?

[Galadriel55]

Pervinca, I apoligize for being slow here. I am following the thread but haven't had any lightbulbs, and no time to meditate on it at the moment.

I thought of "kindle" as a thing you do to wood to boil some athelas, but didn't think it as leading to a Tolkien thing. Also, until Huey got the password, any other synonym was on the table.

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

O: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
N: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Kindle it is!

Thinking about it, they had already kindled the fire, for defence. But it came in handy for hot water, and then for steeping athelas in. And I suppose they kindled more wood for that.

No need to apologise. I know Werewolf is keeping a lot of people busy.

[Galadriel55]

Probably stupid question, but what is the Kindle in Book 1? Just the fire that they lit on Weathertop?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. Strider also orders Merry and Pippin to boil as much water as they can after Frodo has been stabbed, and to bathe his wound with it, so they keep kindling wood. Well, they keep the fire going, anyway. He orders them to, before he goes to try to figure out the Riders' movements, and comes back with athelas (which he walks far to find, and detects by the scent of its flowers, I think).

Although I don't think we hear the word kingsfoil until Gondor, I kind of wish I'd used it instead of kindle.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Although I don't think we hear the word kingsfoil until Gondor, I kind of wish I'd used it instead of kindle.

You can always make more Book passwords.

[Huinesoron]

Oh! Is the final O OR+ALD(ershot) = ORALD? Which is Tom Bom, right?

... as named by the men of Anduin and Rohan, apparently. ??? How do they know him?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
N: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Maybe he buys his boots from them.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Maybe he buys his boots from them.

Ah, of course! As mentioned in HoME XIV: The Weird Bits, the Gladden Fields were famously used to make a rich yellow dye. Naturally it was exported west by the Hobbits, which is how Bombadil heard about it.

For N: I rather want this to be an elements clue, gas + gas + note. Ne (neon) would work for the first gas, as would N (Nitrogen); but I can't get any further than that.

O: I've looked for Hobbit O-names which are Primary World names indicating greatness, but none are really coming up.

B: I have no idea.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Ah, of course! As mentioned in HoME XIV: The Weird Bits, the Gladden Fields were famously used to make a rich yellow dye. Naturally it was exported west by the Hobbits, which is how Bombadil heard about it.

For N: I rather want this to be an elements clue, gas + gas + note. Ne (neon) would work for the first gas, as would N (Nitrogen); but I can't get any further than that.

O: I've looked for Hobbit O-names which are Primary World names indicating greatness, but none are really coming up.

B: I have no idea.

hS

Right thinking for the N clue, and one of your gases is right. Think which Book we're in. Where haven't we been yet?

Clue for the O hobbit: JOHN KEATS.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Right thinking for the N clue, and one of your gases is right. Think which Book we're in. Where haven't we been yet?

Nitrogen Oxygen B-flat = NOB at the Prancing Pony?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
O: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
NOB: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Just B. Not flat.

[Urwen]

The only hobbit there I could find is Rosie.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

The only hobbit there I could find is Rosie.

I'm assuming you don't mean "the only Hobbit in Book One".

It seems Keats wrote a lot of odes, which do start with O, but... well, but who? Odo we've already had, and that leaves:

ODOVACAR BOLGER? Whose name sounds... kind of like 'Ode to a Bulger', who would be 'great' in the sense of 'great big'? And he was apparently at the Party.

I'unno, it's all I've got.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

It's not one of the Odes that I'm referring to.

Keats wrote a poem called (Someone) the Great.

It's not a 'main' hobbit, but he's not as obscure as Odovacar.

He was at the Long-Expected Party. I'm sure I've used him as an answer before, and again, with the cryptic Keats reference.

It isn't one of Keats's better-known poems. But skim through a list of his works, and it shouldn't be that long before you find a name that's also a male hobbit name.

[Urwen]

Otho?

[Pervinca Took]

B: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
OTHO: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
NOB: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

That's him! Lobelia's hubby and Lotho's dad.

Now, the last one refers to a great British comedy actress. Dead now, but had some great television roles in the 70s and 80s.

[Urwen]

Is there a Tolkien woman named Barbara?

[Pervinca Took]

No. Well, not as far as I know.

Look at the first word of the clue, and remember it refers to something in Book One.

[Urwen]

Ruby?

Or Beryl?

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Ruby?

Or Beryl?

Only one of these figures in Book One. Can you remember the reference?

(You are right that both are also names of comedy actresses, but one of those actresses is still living. You need the one that isn't).

[Urwen]

Beryl was left on the bridge by Glorfindel.

[Pervinca Took]

BERYL: Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!
OTHO: Great hobbit, poetically speaking.
ODO PROUDFOOT: One known for hubris in extremity.
KINDLE: Do it to wood, if you need boiled athelas.

ORALD: He alternatively sets out for Aldershot.
NOB: He’s always gassing! (Well, OK, twice. Noted).
EASTERLING (Khamul): Though nameless here, the name of this one is ultimately the only one remembered.

Gem of a comedienne … hear, read … shhhh!

BERYL REID played Adrian Mole's Grandma and countless other comedy roles.

Hear read (Reid) then ssshhhh - hush the Reid, to be left with just the gem, BERYL.

And Beryl Reid WAS a gem of a comedienne.

I saved this password, because I didn't want to spoil the BERYL clue in my recent 'jewellery' password by referencing Glorfindel's jewel elsewhere before I posted that particular puzzle.

Over to Huinesoron!

P.S. The latest Werewolf game has now finished, hasn't it?

[Galadriel55]

Yes, it just did! The madness is over.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

P.S. The latest Werewolf game has now finished, hasn't it?

Yep! So we can get back to more important things.

1. - Aragorn's badge in his new home, a noted kind.
2. - The happy author.
3. - Ancient, begin a prism of chocolate but end lightly, respected.
4. - In the original, sounds like a cute duck with no heart.
5. - Peruvian students' union? Only in the south!
6. - Nicole or Christina? Say it shortly noR in Latin.
7. - In Gondor, genderbend the fourth Book of Mormon. Oh no, ahh!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

2. Mr Bliss? (He didn't narrate his story, though).

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

2. Mr Bliss? (He didn't narrate his story, though).

It is not Mr Bliss, though you're looking at it the right way.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Bilbo, because he remained happy to the end of his days, and he wrote a lot of the Red Book?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Bilbo, because he remained happy to the end of his days, and he wrote a lot of the Red Book?

Now you're looking at the other half of the clue the right way (well, nearly). But not Bilbo.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Sam?

Hopefully Frodo in the end, but not while he was adding to the Red Book!

There's JOY Hill, but wasn't she just involved in the publishing? I believe Tolkien bequeathed her the rights to 'Bilbo's Last Song.'

Or is it Tom Bombadil, author of rhymes that might breach the Geneva Convention, but himself 'a merry fellow?'

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Sam?

Hopefully Frodo in the end, but not while he was adding to the Red Book!

There's JOY Hill, but wasn't she just involved in the publishing? I believe Tolkien bequeathed her the rights to 'Bilbo's Last Song.'

Or is it Tom Bombadil, author of rhymes that might breach the Geneva Convention, but himself 'a merry fellow?'

None of those.

But you've actually said the answer.

hS

[Kath]

Sooo is it Tolkien?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Kath

Sooo is it Tolkien?

It is not.

The work this person authored does not exist (at least not in full) in the Primary World.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MERRY?

He wrote 'Herblore of the Shire.'

I think I said 'merry' in the Bombadil quotation. 'Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow.'

...

Could 4 be KUDUK, Hobbitish for hobbit? Sounds a bit like 'cute duck' with the T sound missing from the heart of it.

Looking at those letters .....

... is the password SMOKING?

In which case,

6. NICOTINE or NICOTIANA. Tolkien said the hobbits' pipeweed was probably a variant of this.

So I think the last one must be GALENAS, but let me work backwards and find out why ....

Well, 'Fourth Book of Mormon' in Google brings up GENESIS as a possible answer if that were a crossword clue. I was thinking of that fairly recent musical, although I haven't seen it.

Could GAL be the genderbend element, from, er ... GEN(T)???

1. Maybe SOUTHERN STAR? That's a brand of pipeweed from the Shire. Aragorn's new home us in the south of Middle-earth, in Minas Tirith, and seven stars are an emblem of Numenor?

3. OLD TOBY. OLD = ancient, TOB(LERONE) is chocolate shaped as joined together prisms and Y ends the word 'lightly.'