TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

*does the maths on this, because is confusing to me presently*

Nope. Well, yep. Well....wait, I'm confused. What?

*rereads, still giving you the play-by-play*

I didn't cross with Durie (that I'm aware of anyway) but I didn't realize Alona had that many votes. (Again, you can't take my word for it but there's no reason to lie about it.) And as far as I knew I was un-tying Morm and Dun.


By the way, while we're discussing me the real baddies are cackling and getting away with (literally) murder. If you want to vote me, vote me, but then discuss someone else so you actually catch the baddies.

EDIT: And, erm, yeah. Announcement has been cancelled. Rikae, for the record, I was going to say that I was quite ill and was going to sit out the rest of the Day, but considering A: what happened the last couple Days when someone had to leave and B: me disappearing would probably make me even more suspicious for some reason, I'll stay around. Expect typos and a bit of crank, but I'll be here.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.

Originally Posted by Sally

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864.

You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.


You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

No, I didn't realize I'd edited my post incorrectly. Big diffference.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and add to your argument that Durie's vote wasn't even highlighted at the time (gasp, I went back and read the thread!) so it wouldn't have counted.


EDIT: The bit in the parentheses is to designate that I went back and checked to make sure my recollection (well, slight lack thereof, but still) was correct, not a rude attempt to imply that Rikae didn't. Just saying.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Alona

Here we go again. Sorry if it makes me seem over eager or eager to please. I really think it's just turning out to be my style of play...but if it bothers you that much (like Nerwen's backwards writing or something), then I'll lay off the smlieys.

No, it doesn't bother me like Nerwen's backwards writing because it's not annoying, it's just suspicious. There's a huge difference. So either you just misunderstood me, or are really jumpy/eager to please. Just keep using smileys as you will, I have no intention of becoming any kind of smiley-dictator, that would be rather hypocritical of someone who very often has to remove smileys from her posts in order to have the acceptable amount there...

Originally Posted by Rikae

I think the trio of Sally/autume/Alona just has to contain at least one wolf - I have a feeling knowing one of their roles would help sort out the others.

That seems plausible enough since they all seem curiously jumpy, especially the a-ladies. This is an interesting comment from Rikae though - if even one of the trio turns out to be guilty, I'll be more positive of Rikae's innocence. If they all turn out innocent, I'm ready to lynch Rikae.

I'm looking forward to seeing Sally's explanation and Durelin's reasons for her impressively long lynch-list.

edit: xed with Alona and everything after her

[Thinlómien]

The recent discussion seems WEIRD. I think Sally is honest about what she did and what she didn't, but she's probably a wolf. In that case, Rikae is probably not a wolf, unless she's a backstabbing meanie.

As for Sally's speculation - I can honestly see morm as a bear and doing that. But I'm still more inclined to consider Form a bear.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The recent discussion seems WEIRD. I think Sally is honest about what she did and what she didn't, but she's probably a wolf. In that case, Rikae is probably not a wolf, unless she's a backstabbing meanie.

As for Sally's speculation - I can honestly see morm as a bear and doing that. But I'm still more inclined to consider Form a bear.

Really?! (To Form, not the rest.) Form's completely flown under for me. Still, I think Morm's possibly some kind of baddie. Telling you now, I plan to vote for him unless something better comes along.

I shall now analyze Shasta, if only to keep me awake.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

This is an interesting comment from Rikae though - if even one of the trio turns out to be guilty, I'll be more positive of Rikae's innocence. If they all turn out innocent, I'm ready to lynch Rikae.

Now, I don't think there was anything that unusual about my alona/autume/Sally statement, but this from Lommy looks downright eerie. Like a wolf who is setting up a future vote, or something. If they all turn out innocent, everybody look at Lommy!

And Sally, the thing about Durelin's vote not being bolded - that only would matter if you thought of it at the time, and if so, you wouldn't have to go back searching for something, would you? You'd remember thinking "Durelin's vote doesn't count, there's still a tie" or some such thing. Unless you didn't see Durelin's vote at all, but somehow the way you're arguing just doesn't seem like it... I mean, if it was a simple oversight and you were innocent, why all the convoluted explanations, each new twist only being revealed upon further questioning? I think an innocent would be more likely to say "I thought the vote was tied" and then explain the editing flub, in an open and honest manner, than to do things the way you have. I'm considering retracting my vote, but I'm far from convinced.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now, I don't think there was anything that unusual about my alona/autume/Sally statement, but this from Lommy looks downright eerie. Like a wolf who is setting up a future vote, or something. If they all turn out innocent, everybody look at Lommy!

And Sally, the thing about Durelin's vote not being bolded - that only would matter if you thought of it at the time, and if so, you wouldn't have to go back searching for something, would you? You'd remember thinking "Durelin's vote doesn't count, there's still a tie" or some such thing. Unless you didn't see Durelin's vote at all, but somehow the way you're arguing just doesn't seem like it... I mean, if it was a simple oversight and you were innocent, why all the convoluted explanations, each new twist only being revealed upon further questioning? I think an innocent would be more likely to say "I thought the vote was tied" and then explain the editing flub, in an open and honest manner, than to do things the way you have. I'm considering retracting my vote, but I'm far from convinced.

*whimpers, headdesks repeatedly*

Okay. Not to be rude, but how simple can I make this? YesterDay when I voted, I thought Morm and Dun were tied. I voted to break it, then noticed Alona's retraction. I'd seen Durie's vote, but not done the math (and then realized when someone pointed it out that it wasn't highlighted. If I remember correctly she highlighted after DL because when I checked the vote count -after I'd already voted at DL- it wasn't highlighted, but I didn't realize until after I voted that she wasn't highlighted, so yes I thought it counted at the time but I didn't do the math and once I'd voted I could have pretended otherwise but didn't so why accuse me of dishonesty?) so to me I was breaking the tie, not retying. After I realized my mistake I tried to correct it in an honest matter and have since been accused of lying about it.

I'm analyzing Shasta. Do with me whatever you like; I couldn't care less. I did everything in the right order, just made a simple error, and I've since tried to correct that error in the best way possible.

*whimpers again*

Back soon. If I disappear it's because I fell asleep, so potential apologies in advance.

[Boromir88]

Whatever game I'm in next...I want the occupation of Smiley-dictator...that'd be sweet.

[Thinlómien]

Sally and Rikae, stop messing with my head, immediately!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sally and Rikae, stop messing with my head, immediately!

But....but she started it!

....

....

Yes, mommy.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

But....but she started it!

....

....

Yes, mommy.

No harm done. You two are just darn confusing because I keep switching my opinion of you every other minute.

[Thinlómien]

Leaning innocent
Mac - seems ok enough, makes good points
morm - seems very much like his normal self

No idea/ neutral
Mira - she makes me wary, but I think I've reacted her in the same way in every single game I've played with her, so maybe it's just her style
Durelin - I went from not suspecting her to suspecting her to not suspecting her... I have hard time figuring her out
Nienna - needs to post more in order for me to have an opinion
Nessa - sleeps under my reindeer
Nerwen - seems like her normal self which does not mean anything

Sligthly suspicious
Alon & Autume - like I've said before, they seem jumpy and eager to please. It's unclear, however, what is due to being rather new and what due to their styles and what actually due to their roles. *shrugs*

Suspicious
Form - I have this fix idée that he is the bear
Shasta - I still think he's worth watching, I remember having actual points against him yesterDay but all I remember now is that I had reasons to suspect him maybe I should go and check my own posts...

Utter confusion zone
Sally & Rikae - I think that after a while my mind will be cleared but I really just keep switching my opinion on both of them so for now I won't say anything

[autume98]

I really feel like alona and sally are innocent. alona's retraction makes sense. She thought she had to save herself. I think sally made a mistake. I can see why you might suspect her, but she's not acting like wolf-sally.

I haven't had time to analyze morm yet. However with what sally said earlier I suspect him even more.

Even with rikae throwing out theories about people I think innocent, she still seems innocent to me.

Edit: x-ed with boro to this post

[Thinlómien]

Anyone around? I should go to sleep within an hour, it's nearing midnight here.

I'll go and check now what I had against Shasta. Then I may or may not analyse Form.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*whimpers, headdesks repeatedly*

Okay. Not to be rude, but how simple can I make this?

Saying "not to be rude" and then calling me an idiot doesn't make it any less rude. Besides, I didn't complain that it wasn't simple because I was too stupid to understand, but because I thought the way you described it looked guilty, as if you were reluctant to tell us anything. At this point, it is way too late to undo that - the mistake is made.

Originally Posted by Sally

YesterDay when I voted, I thought Morm and Dun were tied. I voted to break it, then noticed Alona's retraction. I'd seen Durie's vote, but not done the math (and then realized when someone pointed it out that it wasn't highlighted. If I remember correctly she highlighted after DL because when I checked the vote count -after I'd already voted at DL- it wasn't highlighted, but I didn't realize until after I voted that she wasn't highlighted, so yes I thought it counted at the time but I didn't do the math and once I'd voted I could have pretended otherwise but didn't so why accuse me of dishonesty?) so to me I was breaking the tie, not retying. After I realized my mistake I tried to correct it in an honest matter and have since been accused of lying about it.

So it all boils down to you "not doing the math correctly" after seeing Durelin's vote - after you complained repeatedly about the tie that Durie's vote broke? You admit that you didn't realize it wasn't highlighted until someone (I believe it was Mac) pointed it out, which happened after your vote. So yeah, I don't buy it. Nice try, but sorry, your story just doesn't add up, and every time you're caught you change it - it's all way too evil looking to just let it go.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyone around? I should go to sleep within an hour, it's nearing midnight here.

I'll go and check now what I had against Shasta. Then I may or may not analyse Form.

I'm here, but I'm not worth much today sadly.

Got distracted but I'll get to my Shasta analysis now so no worries.


ETA: x'd with Rikae. Yes, I'm an idiot. I understand that. And I didn't say you were stupid, I was saying that I explained it and I knew you were taking it differently so I tried to explain it in a bit different way to make sure it was clear both to you and to anyone who would come in on the 'conversation' later. Want me to vote myself and make it easier for you?

[Rikae]

Just reread the above and thought it was too harsh. Sally, if you do turn out to be innocent and this is all just a lot of nonsense, I'm sorry - but you can see how your behavior looks suspicious, right? I can't just let it slide only to find out you're a wolf, I'd kick myself forever.

EDIT: X'd with Sally - I don't think you're an idiot. If I did, I wouldn't go to so much trouble to analyze you...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Just reread the above and thought it was too harsh. Sally, if you do turn out to be innocent and this is all just a lot of nonsense, I'm sorry - but you can see how your behavior looks suspicious, right? I can't just let it slide only to find out you're a wolf, I'd kick myself forever.

EDIT: X'd with Sally - I don't think you're an idiot. If I didn't, I wouldn't go to so much trouble to analyze you...

Understood, and no harm done. I'm a bit cranky so more easily offended, and I hate being suspected as an ordo so much because it means the baddies are getting away.

How about this? Go analyze someone else you find suspicious as heavily as you've been paying attention to me. If I'm still the most suspicious to you feel free to vote me (or rather not unvote me), just be sure to think about other players too. K?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You don't suppose....I mean, Morm wouldn't really be that obvious, would he?


And again. Would Morm be this obvious? (By this I mean the tie between him and Dun, which I think was still in tact at the time.)

Sally, you don't know me do you? Yes I would be that obvious if it suited me but I would also be very subtle if it suited me, or I'd set up an obvious frame. However, I am not the bear so I did not get such a choice.

I am only to this post on the reading but this post did not dissuade me of my Sally suspicion. It is big and long but not a lot of substance.

I am going to make an effort to shift my focus, I've been known (many times) to get so wrapped up in one person that I get tunnel vision. I would like to refresh my view and look at a couple others.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Sally, you don't know me do you? Yes I would be that obvious if it suited me but I would also be very subtle if it suited me, or I'd set up an obvious frame. However, I am not the bear so I did not get such a choice.

It was a rhetorical question, Morm dear. I know you can act however you please and I've always had trouble reading you so when I find something so obviously suspicious it strikes me as ood....erm, odd. And of course you may not be the bear; you may be an ordo or a gifted. Or you may be a wolf, which would make a lot of sense to me as well.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Whatever game I'm in next...I want the occupation of Smiley-dictator...that'd be sweet.

Oh noes! I wanted that role...smileys and I go way back. I even wrote them on my homework as a child in elementary school...does that make me silly?

[Boromir88]

alona...is that Rachel McAdams (your avatar)? If so, I love you. I saw her on the Daily Show promoting Time Traveller's Wife...looks like a good movie, and well Rachel McAdams is just awesome.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Oh noes! I wanted that role...smileys and I go way back. I even wrote them on my homework as a child in elementary school...does that make me silly?

Yes. And we love you for it.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

alona...is that Rachel McAdams (your avatar)? If so, I love you. I saw her on the Daily Show promoting Time Traveller's Wife...looks like a good movie, and well Rachel McAdams is just awesome.

And I love you for spelling traveller with two L's.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

alona...is that Rachel McAdams (your avatar)? If so, I love you. I saw her on the Daily Show promoting Time Traveller's Wife...looks like a good movie, and well Rachel McAdams is just awesome.

It is - she's one of my favorite actors. I saw Time Traveler's Wife opening night and balled my eyes out. It was absolutely amazing. Go see it. Like, right now.

[Macalaure]

I had a busy day so far, and I feel a bit out of the game, but at least I'm here now.

All I have to say is that Alona's defense in 838 doesn't convince me much.

Both Alona and morm think my Nerwen-comment is interesting, but neither contributed anything to it, so I'm taking their agreemen with suspicion.

Not sure hat to think of Autume at the moment. She could be a very good cobbler or a clueless innocent. (Either that, or the entire village consists of very good cobblers and clueless innocents, which is usually more likely than than we'd like to admit.)

There are far too few people I feel comfortable to trust at the moment. I'm really confused, and willing to lynch Sally since most of the confusion toDay seems to be revolving around her. I'm far too confused about her to contribute anything beyond a vote. I wish I could make up my mind about her... Her death would make the game easier, but I'm more suspicious of Alona and collectively the half of the village I have not the faintest clue about.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by me

Shasta - I don't like his eagerness to vote Pitch, nor the sort of aggressiveness he has when phrasing it. He seems otherwise quite grumpy too, which doesn't sit right with me at all, nor does his rather hasty vote for Mira (even if he was in a hurry!), it just looks too much like a conscious bandwagon-start-try.

That's what I said about Shasta. While it's not as substantial as I'd like it to be, it might be the best I have. Other options? Voting Alona or Autume based on a general feeling without knowing their styles? Voting Form because of a mere fix idée? Voting Sally or Rikae? No, at least I'm going to ignore those two for the reast of toDay (sorry darlings, you just confuse the heck out of me). Argh, I don't like this game.

PS. As for someone (don't remember who) suggesting I'm a cobbler, sadly the answer is no. (I'd love to try cobblering some day, 38 games and never a cobbler!)


edit: xed with the mod and onwards

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And I love you for spelling traveller with two L's.

Shut it.

Originally Posted by alonariel

It is - she's one of my favorite actors. I saw Time Traveler's Wife opening night and balled my eyes out. It was absolutely amazing. Go see it. Like, right now.

Well, I don't know about that...but I'm sure eventually I'll get to it. I don't go to the theaters that often, quite expensive. I still haven't even seen Half-blood Prince and that is above everything else.

[satansaloser2005]

Oi, I meant it! I hate that most people spell it with one. I know it's not 'wrong', but it looks weird to me.

And get off your bum and see Half-Blood Prince before I drive there and drag you to a theater myself.



Sorry for being random; trying to wake up again since I've been drifting off for the last hour. The Shasta post is in the tab next to this one, so don't think I've forgotten! (Unfortunately, like Brinn, there's not a lot to say about him. This makes me sad.)

[Thinlómien]

The current vote count is

Rikae -> Sally

Sally 1,

right?

Not much yet.


edit: xed with the two

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well, I don't know about that...but I'm sure eventually I'll get to it. I don't go to the theaters that often, quite expensive. I still haven't even seen Half-blood Prince and that is above everything else.

Blasphemy! I went to the midnight release with Lari and blew about 30 dollars on it, ticket and Redvines included.

Sally, traveller has two L's in it? Who knew?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Both Alona and morm think my Nerwen-comment is interesting, but neither contributed anything to it, so I'm taking their agreemen with suspicion.

Okay, so here's my newbie attempt at analyzing someone I've only played with one before... when I played with Nerwen last game, I was suspicious of her because of the way she got into such a heated fight so early on with Fea, which eventually turned out to just be innocent-on-innocent. I'm getting much the same vibe from her as I did last game, though with far less suspicion. So at this point, I'm leaning towards innocent.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Blasphemy! I went to the midnight release with Lari and blew about 30 dollars on it, ticket and Redvines included.

Sally, traveller has two L's in it? Who knew?

My roommate went to the mid-night release...not sure what I was doing that night.

It's quite funny because that's what wilwa is leaving to see, and I'm pretty sure she spelled it with 1 L....now I'm terribly confused

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's quite funny because that's what wilwa is leaving to see, and I'm pretty sure she spelled it with 1 L....now I'm terribly confused

It can be spelled either way. I believe the movie title is with one, though I spell it with two because it looks better to me. Also, is that the UK way to spell it? 'Cause that might explain why I'm weird and spell it that way. Never know.


And I digress. Back to Shasta.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My roommate went to the mid-night release...not sure what I was doing that night.

It's quite funny because that's what wilwa is leaving to see, and I'm pretty sure she spelled it with 1 L....now I'm terribly confused

Microsoft Word says it's spelled with one L...

[mormegil]

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on *glares at Boromir*

Now, I've been keeping this in the back of my mind since day 1 but haven't done much about it yet. However, I notice some are picking up on it too so I'd like to mention what I've noticed about Formendacil. I've reread many of his post just recently to either help persuade is dissuade my suspicion of him. What I decided is he looks more villainous than before. One of the recurring themes that kept being woven into many posts was his past. He kept referring to this is how he always does things, or when something was not normal he made a point to show us that it wasn't normal. Either way he kept trying to tell us he is overall acting very normal and trying reassure us when he doesn't. Ordos don't worry about that stuff.

++Formendacil

I am almost certain he is our bear and that Sally and Atume are wolves.

[alonariel]

Okay, so a serious post for now. I've got class at 7 tonight that goes until 10, so I'm going to have to decide my vote (or no-vote) within the next few hours. So, a narrowed down list for now:

Durelin - what I posted earlier still stands - why did she vote based only on the three way tie?
morm - I had a hunch about him yesterDay, but was surprised to see that other people voted for him, too. I think I stated it was just a hunch. I'm less certain of his being evil after re-reading through Day 2, however.
autume - People think she's being chummy, I think it's just being nice. We're turning out to have a similar style so far. Still keeping an eye out, as she could be a newbie wolf, but that's less than a hunch right now.
Sally - I honestly believe it was just a mistake, though her attempt to explain it all out has created quite some confusion and, consequently, some suspicion from me.
Nerwen - unsure, but keeping an eye on her
Lommy - Grateful comment still bugs me, but other than that, I don't have a whole lot of suspicion for her at this point

[Thinlómien]

Morm, you just made me postpone my bed-time and go to read through Form's posts to see whether what you say makes sense and whether my fix idée is grounded or not.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on *glares at Boromir*

*runs off to make himself supper to avoid morm's glare* I'll remain strictly observational until the deadline.