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As Legate says we're thinking hobbits here,
my guess is Frodo, Cheers
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Again a quick and correct answer Legate.
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Well, what to say, I am back
 All right, I hope you'd like the following one. Memory of old that I still hold: That distant day Last glimpse of gold turning to grey. Followed my way: Another day another world falling to dark. Shores of the sea; just little spark of jealousy. High hopes and light and the soul sold. Power and pride. All smooth and cold. Glory and grace, everything's gone: Weary old face, voice but a moan; dust in my eyes - all that remained. Going in circles. Cannot be saved. I don't want just the answer, I'd also like (it may be just roughly) the explanation of all the parts of the riddle. Answer without explanation won't be considered an answer and I won't say even if it's right or wrong.
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Memory of old that I still hold: That distant day - when he left valinor Last glimpse of gold turning to grey. Followed my way: Another day another world falling to dark. - journeyed eastwards Shores of the sea; just little spark of jealousy. - jealous of the one ring High hopes and light - beleived he would succeed and the soul sold. Power and pride. All smooth and cold. Glory and grace, everything's gone: - was defeated Weary old face, voice but a moan; - lost his power after staff broken dust in my eyes - all that remained. Going in circles. Cannot be saved. - his spirit tries to go west but a strong wind constently pushes it east
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Correct.
I thought this would be an easy one. Some of the riddle's parts were meant differently than you interpretate them, but my point was that you have at least general idea and not just blindly shooting in the dark.
(For eventual interpreters, I'd only correct two important moments in the riddle: the "jealousy" was a hint on Gandalf who received Narya right after his arrival; and the final two lines were not supposed to point to bruta facta as Gil interpreted it but pointing to Saruman's constant rejecting of mercy offered to him by Gandalf, Galadriel, Frodo etc.)Enough of this. Gil-Galad, well done, it's your turn now.
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09-30-2007, 02:08 PM
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Umm...Gil-Galad?
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09-30-2007, 02:15 PM
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wow i actually have a turn in the Riddle... nice...
Come to me my brethern a new day is for us the threat of death is gone feel my wind Come to me my sons we have new friends among us we are not defeated yet feel no fear Come to defend our land they may come in black but we shall beat them back with our two hands feel the hospitality of my table with my lord Come to me my new king fire means nothing to us our protector will save us again feel my age and remember have fun!
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09-30-2007, 04:12 PM
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Oh man, this is a hard one...
Maybe Beregond...but really it's so confusing
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negatory little buddy, try again!! and i'm being picky by asking for explanation too...
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Tricksy it is my precious
Wow Gil this is a difficult one!
here's my current thinking but I'm fairly sure that I'm wrong because a few things need to be twisted to fit... I'm going for the King of The Dead Come to me my brethern a new day is for us the threat of death is gone feel my wind The king is calling his people together on being summoned by Aragorn, the threat of death is gone because they long for Eru's gift, 'feel my wind' (after inducing unnecessary chortles  ) made me think of the cold wind that blew the Rangers' torches out on the Paths of the DeadCome to me my sons we have new friends among us we are not defeated yet feel no fear Again calling the dead together, the new friends are Aragorn & co., they certainly aren't defeated and it'll be the opposition who need to worry about fear! Come to defend our land they may come in black but we shall beat them back with our two hands feel the hospitality of my table with my lord The land that used to be theirs needs defending aginst the Corsairs of Umbar whose ships have black sails, they have little need of weapons, the hospitality bit could be a metaphor for finally accepting death?? Come to me my new king fire means nothing to us our protector will save us again feel my age and remember Aragorn is the new king, they're too ghostly to be bothered by fire. The house of Isildur saved them in the past but they became traitors and were cursed, therefore Aragorn will release them from Isildur's curse and save them 'again' (this is really pushing it, no?), feel my age - well they have been about for 3000 years give or take! Hmmm, tricksy! Cheers, Rumil
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10-01-2007, 09:51 PM
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sorry thats wrong, but your guesses are on the right track! that was a really great attempt at it
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10-07-2007, 06:15 PM
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I don't want to give a hint because that would make this too easy... but keep trying!
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10-10-2007, 12:17 PM
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hooom hmmm
Hi Gil,
sorry been away for a while, and this one still eludes me! could you give us a clue as to whether the answer is in The Hobbit&LoTR or elsewhere (eg Silm)?? Cheers, Rumil
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LOTR
think outside of the box...
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I had several ideas, but this one seems more logical. I'd say the answer is Rohan itself, speaking to the Rohirrim after Théoden's healing. Eventually, it could be Helm's Deep (mainly due to these words like "come TO ME").
Come to me my brethern a new day is for us - the dawn at Helm's Deep the threat of death is gone feel my wind - this is one of the parts that makes me think of Rohan itself, I take it as the reference to the moment when Théoden goes outside his hall and wind blows from Rohan. Come to me my sons - meaning sons of the country we have new friends among us[/I] - Aragorn & co. we are not defeated yet feel no fear - though the situation is pretty bad, they can still fight against Saruman Come to defend our land - against the Uruk-hai they may come in black but we shall beat them back with our two hands feel the hospitality of my table with my lord - the lord being Théoden Come to me my new king - Théoden is, so to say, a "new" king after the years of Wormtongue's lies fire means nothing to us - Saruman's "sorcery" our protector will save us again - Helm! That scene at the end of Helm's Deep feel my age and remember - the land itself is ancient. What confuses me is the "two hands", I believe it's not there just for fun (everyone knows Men have two hands) but a metaphore, though I'm not able to think of what it should mean. Or, if it's indeed Helm's Deep, are there not something like two rows of walls or rocks around? I don't know now.
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Good guess legate, you are close in one respect, but far in another... but keep up this guessing! think of ROTK!!!
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It could be, of course, Gondor as a country (or Minas Tirith, for that matter). Then the King will be indeed "new" and all the other words fit as well (about enemies coming in black and so on). The "new day" could then refer to the passing darkness when the Corsair ships (with Aragorn) come, there is a lot said about wind there as well.
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10-13-2007, 06:20 AM
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My answer is south Gondor.
Come to me my brethern a new day is for us the threat of death is gone feel my wind - the South Wind, invoked by Aragorn and Legolas at Amon Hen and that brought their ships up the Anduin to Minas Tirith in time. Come to me my sons - the Southern Gondorians that followed Aragorn we have new friends among us - the Grey Company we are not defeated yet feel no fear Come to defend our land they may come in black - the Corsairs but we shall beat them back with our two hands feel the hospitality of my table with my lord Come to me my new king fire means nothing to us - probably the stuff burned by the Corsairs, such as some ships our protector will save us again - the Heir to the throne of Gondor perhaps, just as Isildur saved it by cutting off the Ring feel my age and remember
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10-14-2007, 04:26 PM
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TM is semi-correct with South Gondor, but i'm looking for an exact place in southern gondor, and i would love to read all your reasons why
if i didn't give hints you guys would still be clueless...
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I say Pelargir.
Come to me my brethern a new day is for us the threat of death is gone feel my wind - the South Wind, invoked by Aragorn and Legolas at Amon Hen and that brought their ships up the Anduin to Minas Tirith in time. Come to me my sons - the Southern Gondorians that followed Aragorn we have new friends among us - the Grey Company we are not defeated yet feel no fear Come to defend our land they may come in black - the Corsairs but we shall beat them back with our two hands feel the hospitality of my table with my lord Come to me my new king - Pelargir already had been capital, even if only for a short time fire means nothing to us - probably the stuff burned by the Corsairs, such as some ships in Pelargir our protector will save us again - Eldacar besieged the sons of Castamir and defeated them there feel my age and remember
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that it is
Come to me my brethern - aragorn and grey company a new day is for us the threat of death is gone - dead men of dunharrow feel my wind - south wind Come to me my sons we have new friends among us - aragorn we are not defeated yet feel no fear Come to defend our land they may come in black - corsairs but we shall beat them back with our two hands - axeman of pelargir feel the hospitality of my table with my lord - the current lord was Forlong the Fat. Come to me my new king - old capital fire means nothing to us our protector will save us again - aragorn was there before feel my age and remember - a very old city i liked this riddle and i was glad that most thought it was hard...
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In case you wonder why I am not posting, know that I am thinking of one, but hopefully I'll manage to find a good one...
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12-10-2007, 01:51 PM
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We know and we are waiting
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For long I have been waiting
For things I had to say Alas! For now I've said them And I shall pass away. Just made it up in 30 seconds after getting the idea, but I still hope it will prove to be a challenge...
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12-12-2007, 01:17 PM
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Isn't that the old man in Dunharrow, who said "The way is shut?"
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Too strong the force is with this one.
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Does that mean "Yes"?
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Right you are!
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Yes, hmm, eat, eat, hot!
Please give me some time to make up the riddle, then I will put it up here... shouldn't take long.
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Here we go...
We left our homes
for the new lands. With my high hopes I failed my friends. Rain pouring down, creature unknown that brought us doom. Now I am left to talk to myself. What now to do? Sit down or play? But the doom came: Forever stay.
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I'll go ahead and take Balin.
We left our homes - Erebor for the new lands. - Moria With my high hopes - reconquer it I failed my friends. - died because of him Rain pouring down, - filled the pool up to the Hollin gate creature unknown - Watcher in the Water that brought us doom. - killed Óin and prevented them from escaping that way Now I am left to talk to myself. - killed while alone near Mirrormere What now to do? Sit down or play? But the doom came: Forever stay. - the Orcs were coming, he was entombed in the Chamber of Mazarbul
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No, not what I had in mind. There are bits in your explanation that would be kinda... forced (like the thing with the rain, and also "Now I am left to talk to myself" is obviously a conclusion of something, while Balin chose for himself to go to Mirrormere, he was not left to do it or anything like that, or at least it's not said in the books. Also you didn't explain the "sit down" part). Keep trying
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Smeagol/Gollum
We left our homes - hobbits were mirgrating for the new lands. - to good ol' hobbiton With my high hopes - to escape the wars I failed my friends. - killed his cousin and shamed his family Rain pouring down, creature unknown - smeagol became an unknown creature that brought us doom. - the Ring (and you put us in it) Now I am left to talk to myself. - became a schizo What now to do? Sit down or play? - nothing much to do when your alone under a cave But the doom came: Forever stay. - ring drove him to kill himself
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Unfortunately, Gil, not the correct answer. And your intepretation is also very leaky. Once again, I believe all the parts of the riddle should be quite clearly possible to identify with the books (without necessarily forced interpretations).
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Hail and well met all
Glad to see Riddles is active again,
Hmm Legate, I think I might have it... We left our homes - Ered Luin, 21st April, 100 years ago last Thursday for the new lands. - Erebor With my high hopes - for gold and revenge upon Smaug I failed my friends. - wandered from their camp Rain pouring down, - a 'black rain' creature unknown - yup, still unknown that brought us doom. - well, me anyway Now I am left to talk to myself. - my companions and RING taken from me What now to do? Sit down or play? - witless and wandering, map-and-key games? But the doom came: Forever stay. - in the dungeons of the Necromancer So that means its Thrain (the Second if we're being pedantic) Cheers
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Cheers, Rumil! Glad to see you around. A very inventive interpretation, for sure. But I must say
that it is not correct. Mwa ha ha ha... But keep trying. Don't forget that for Thráin, Erebor was not "new lands". It was "old lands reconquered", which is quite different. The same goes for the above attempt with Balin.
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Aha, methinks false trails have been laid!
Will have to think again, nice one Legate!
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