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Fingolfin II · 06-14-2004, 03:50 AM

Nope- think of races and their relationships.

NightKnight · 06-14-2004, 07:19 AM

Men fought against men in all except Five Armies?

Fingolfin II · 06-15-2004, 01:22 AM

Nope. Congratulations on 1500 posts by the way.

NightKnight · 06-15-2004, 04:46 AM

Thanks.

Fingolfin II · 06-18-2004, 12:24 AM

Anyone else want a go? It's both hard and easy, once you get it.

Mithalwen · 06-18-2004, 01:13 PM

I am stymied I think... I had a vague idea about dead uncles (Thorin & Theoden ..)iuntill you specified that the relationship was between races..

Gil-Galad · 06-18-2004, 05:02 PM

Pelennor fields was only battle where men fought versus orcs, no elves came too help them (save legolas)...the others included elves and other races

Fingolfin II · 06-18-2004, 11:10 PM

Nope- think Elves and Dwarves.

NightKnight · 06-19-2004, 04:32 AM

Elves and dwarves didn't fight together in the War of Wrath, even if it was only Gimli and Legolas on Pelennor.

Fingolfin II · 06-19-2004, 08:03 PM

Nope- I can't remember the quote, but it says the dwarves of Durin's line fought on the side of the Elves.

*BIG hint*- the answer is the Battle of Five armies; now tell me why.

NightKnight · 06-20-2004, 07:35 AM

It says they fought together in the Last Alliance, not the War of Wrath.

Gil-Galad · 06-20-2004, 12:16 PM

only place the 4 races defended a place which they fueded for, showed unity in them and the end of Gundabad Orcs

Fingolfin II · 06-21-2004, 12:49 AM

Really? Sorry about that, but it still wasn't what I had in mind NightKnight- my bad. Anyway, Gil-Galad has gotten it.

Gil-Galad · 06-21-2004, 04:29 PM

oh goody...

battle of sudden flame
Fall of Gondolin
wakening of the Balrog
battle under the trees (ask me if you don't know what this is)

Fingolfin II · 06-22-2004, 01:40 AM

What is the battle under the trees?

Anyway, I'll say it is the battle I don't know, because there were no fire-breathing creatures (dragons) or fire-scourges (balrogs) present?

Gil-Galad · 06-22-2004, 06:59 AM

Battle under the trees was the Silvan "donation" to the war of the ring, Celeborn lead the lorien elves aganest Dol Guldur and during the battle he met Thranduil, who was leading the mirkwood elves, after the battle Galadriel threw down its gates and cleansed the land with her light...in the fourth age it was added to the land of LothLorien and called East Lorien, while Thranduil gained all the forest north of it...and no sorry

NightKnight · 06-22-2004, 07:30 AM

Wakening of the Balrog (Durin's Bane?) - No elves.

Gil-Galad · 06-22-2004, 11:05 AM

nope!

Mithalwen · 06-26-2004, 12:11 PM

Well I am going to say it is the battle trees because it led to old strongholds / territory being regained. The elves reagained their old lands in Southern Mirkwood. But the others involved the loss/ destruction of stronghoilds/territory.... Gondolin self evidently, Awakening of the Balrog meant the Dwarves had to leave Moria (and many elves fled Lorien), the fortresses of Angrod and Aegnor and Maglor's Gap were lost during the battle of Sudden Flame...

Gil-Galad · 06-26-2004, 12:16 PM

though they really didn't have any strongholds/territory there in the first place....nope!

you are actually rather close

Mithalwen · 06-26-2004, 12:29 PM

If you mean southern Mirkwood, I think that in UT it says something about Oropher having to move his people northwards from Amon Lanc ... but I don't have it on me and Oropher is one of those slightly iffy characters who complicate matters by going against what is said in the primary texts...... but I'll have another think..... but I fear that was my best shot....

NightKnight · 06-28-2004, 05:08 PM

Wakening of the Balrog, then.

There was a great fire under the trees in Mirkwood.
Battle of Sudden Flame - Duh.
Fall of Gondolin - There was lots of fire and devastation there...
There is no account of any fire when the Balrog awoke.

Gil-Galad · 06-28-2004, 08:29 PM

nope!

Hint: its what they did

Mithalwen · 07-02-2004, 12:27 PM

Don't feel this is different to my previous go but..... but... the battle under trees because it resulted in a place being cleansed whereas the others led to a place being degraded.....

Gil-Galad · 07-04-2004, 04:34 PM

nope! come on its rather easy!

Gil-Galad · 07-05-2004, 10:18 PM

Hint : it has to do with elves, so that rules out

battle of sudden flame
Fall of Gondolin

wakening of the Balrog
battle under the trees

Gil-Galad · 07-16-2004, 12:04 PM

BIG hint: instead of retreating they go forward!

Gil-Galad · 07-19-2004, 12:03 PM

Hint: its Battle under the Trees, now tell me why!

The Perky Ent · 07-21-2004, 07:42 PM

Battle under the trees because (long shot) Galadriel goes into Dol Guldur, showing that she charges into the castle/fort/stronghold. In the others, they're going away from it. As I said, a long shot!

Gil-Galad · 07-21-2004, 09:34 PM

Perfect Aim! Battle under the Trees was the only ones where Elves, or any other free races, actually advance aganest teh evil, rather then retreat or be attacked! good job!

The Perky Ent · 07-22-2004, 04:27 PM

Rightio! Here's the next batch:

War of Wrath
Battle of Bywater
Battle of Azanulbizar
Pelenor Fields
Fall of Gondolin
Battle of Five Armies

Quite a selection! Have fun!

Gil-Galad · 07-22-2004, 04:47 PM

Pelenor fields was only place where another army joined in to help the Gondorians?

The Perky Ent · 07-22-2004, 09:12 PM

No, and because there's so many options, I'll give a little hint with each wrong answer. It has nothing to do with Gondorians. I don't know if that helps, but it's a start

Gil-Galad · 07-23-2004, 10:26 AM

War of the Wrath didn't involve men?

The Perky Ent · 07-23-2004, 10:30 AM

No. It has nothing to do with the involvement of races

Fingolfin II · 07-23-2004, 09:53 PM

The Battle of Bywater involved someone turning against his own side (Grima killing Saruman)?

And Perky, do you mean the Battle of Five Armies?

The Perky Ent · 07-23-2004, 10:23 PM

So I did. And as for your question, nope. nothing to do with changing sides.

Morsul the Dark · 07-23-2004, 11:37 PM

the battle of five armies was the only one that bilbo was present?

The Perky Ent · 07-24-2004, 09:20 AM

No, and it has nothing to do with the present-ness of people.

Morsul the Dark · 07-24-2004, 09:21 AM

fall of gondol;in is the only one where a country fell?

06-14-2004, 03:50 AM	#41
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Nope- think of races and their relationships. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-14-2004, 07:19 AM	#42
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Men fought against men in all except Five Armies? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-15-2004, 01:22 AM	#43
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Nope. Congratulations on 1500 posts by the way. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-15-2004, 04:46 AM	#44
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Thanks. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-18-2004, 12:24 AM	#45
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Anyone else want a go? It's both hard and easy, once you get it. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-18-2004, 01:13 PM	#46
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I am stymied I think... I had a vague idea about dead uncles (Thorin & Theoden ..)iuntill you specified that the relationship was between races..

06-18-2004, 05:02 PM	#47
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Pelennor fields was only battle where men fought versus orcs, no elves came too help them (save legolas)...the others included elves and other races __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-18-2004, 11:10 PM	#48
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Nope- think Elves and Dwarves. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-19-2004, 04:32 AM	#49
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Elves and dwarves didn't fight together in the War of Wrath, even if it was only Gimli and Legolas on Pelennor. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-19-2004, 08:03 PM	#50
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Nope- I can't remember the quote, but it says the dwarves of Durin's line fought on the side of the Elves. BIG hint- the answer is the Battle of Five armies; now tell me why. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-20-2004, 07:35 AM	#51
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	It says they fought together in the Last Alliance, not the War of Wrath. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-20-2004, 12:16 PM	#52
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	only place the 4 races defended a place which they fueded for, showed unity in them and the end of Gundabad Orcs __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-21-2004, 12:49 AM	#53
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Really? Sorry about that, but it still wasn't what I had in mind NightKnight- my bad. Anyway, Gil-Galad has gotten it. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-21-2004, 04:29 PM	#54
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	oh goody... battle of sudden flame Fall of Gondolin wakening of the Balrog battle under the trees (ask me if you don't know what this is) __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-22-2004, 01:40 AM	#55
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	What is the battle under the trees? Anyway, I'll say it is the battle I don't know, because there were no fire-breathing creatures (dragons) or fire-scourges (balrogs) present? __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

06-22-2004, 06:59 AM	#56
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Battle under the trees was the Silvan "donation" to the war of the ring, Celeborn lead the lorien elves aganest Dol Guldur and during the battle he met Thranduil, who was leading the mirkwood elves, after the battle Galadriel threw down its gates and cleansed the land with her light...in the fourth age it was added to the land of LothLorien and called East Lorien, while Thranduil gained all the forest north of it...and no sorry __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-22-2004, 07:30 AM	#57
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Wakening of the Balrog (Durin's Bane?) - No elves. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-22-2004, 11:05 AM	#58
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	nope! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-26-2004, 12:11 PM	#59
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Well I am going to say it is the battle trees because it led to old strongholds / territory being regained. The elves reagained their old lands in Southern Mirkwood. But the others involved the loss/ destruction of stronghoilds/territory.... Gondolin self evidently, Awakening of the Balrog meant the Dwarves had to leave Moria (and many elves fled Lorien), the fortresses of Angrod and Aegnor and Maglor's Gap were lost during the battle of Sudden Flame...

06-26-2004, 12:16 PM	#60
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	though they really didn't have any strongholds/territory there in the first place....nope! you are actually rather close __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-26-2004, 12:29 PM	#61
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	If you mean southern Mirkwood, I think that in UT it says something about Oropher having to move his people northwards from Amon Lanc ... but I don't have it on me and Oropher is one of those slightly iffy characters who complicate matters by going against what is said in the primary texts...... but I'll have another think..... but I fear that was my best shot....

06-28-2004, 05:08 PM	#62
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Wakening of the Balrog, then. There was a great fire under the trees in Mirkwood. Battle of Sudden Flame - Duh. Fall of Gondolin - There was lots of fire and devastation there... There is no account of any fire when the Balrog awoke. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

06-28-2004, 08:29 PM	#63
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	nope! Hint: its what they did __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-02-2004, 12:27 PM	#64
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Don't feel this is different to my previous go but..... but... the battle under trees because it resulted in a place being cleansed whereas the others led to a place being degraded.....

07-04-2004, 04:34 PM	#65
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	nope! come on its rather easy! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-05-2004, 10:18 PM	#66
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Hint : it has to do with elves, so that rules out battle of sudden flame Fall of Gondolin wakening of the Balrog battle under the trees __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-16-2004, 12:04 PM	#67
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	BIG hint: instead of retreating they go forward! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-19-2004, 12:03 PM	#68
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Hint: its Battle under the Trees, now tell me why! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-21-2004, 07:42 PM	#69
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Battle under the trees because (long shot) Galadriel goes into Dol Guldur, showing that she charges into the castle/fort/stronghold. In the others, they're going away from it. As I said, a long shot! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-21-2004, 09:34 PM	#70
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Perfect Aim! Battle under the Trees was the only ones where Elves, or any other free races, actually advance aganest teh evil, rather then retreat or be attacked! good job! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2004, 04:27 PM	#71
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Rightio! Here's the next batch: War of Wrath Battle of Bywater Battle of Azanulbizar Pelenor Fields Fall of Gondolin Battle of Five Armies Quite a selection! Have fun! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.' Last edited by The Perky Ent; 07-23-2004 at 10:23 PM.

07-22-2004, 04:47 PM	#72
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Pelenor fields was only place where another army joined in to help the Gondorians? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2004, 09:12 PM	#73
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	No, and because there's so many options, I'll give a little hint with each wrong answer. It has nothing to do with Gondorians. I don't know if that helps, but it's a start __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-23-2004, 10:26 AM	#74
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	War of the Wrath didn't involve men? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-23-2004, 10:30 AM	#75
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	No. It has nothing to do with the involvement of races __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'