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Urwen · 08-14-2019, 02:04 AM

1. Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother
2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her.
3. A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears.
4. Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed.
5. A dwarf is inside a queue for her.

(Both of the people in the first clue are Tolkien characters)

Pervinca Took · 08-14-2019, 03:31 AM

1. E-arwen.

Urwen · 08-14-2019, 04:16 AM

EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother
2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her.
3. A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears.
4. Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed.
5. A dwarf is inside a queue for her.

Pervinca Took · 08-14-2019, 05:57 AM

4. SERINDE, from NEREIDS.

Urwen · 08-14-2019, 05:59 AM

Nope, it's the other one, who is related to Anardil and Emerwen and Irimon.

Pervinca Took · 08-14-2019, 06:00 AM

Erendis.

And ELVES.

Urwen · 08-14-2019, 06:36 AM

Yes to Erendis, no to the password. Last I checked, Erendis isn't an Elf.

Pervinca Took · 08-14-2019, 12:31 PM

5. LINDORIE.

DORI inside LINE.

Urwen · 08-14-2019, 02:34 PM

EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother
2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her.
3. A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears.
ERENDIS: Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed.
LINDORIE: A dwarf is inside a queue for her.

Huinesoron · 08-16-2019, 02:00 AM

A sick rodent could be an ill rat, which gives almost everything we need for ITARILLE.

If the element is Iridium, and the unit is mile, then by disturbing the end of the latter we get MIRIEL.

hS

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 07:16 AM

EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother
2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her.
MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears.
ERENDIS: Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed.
LINDORIE: A dwarf is inside a queue for her.

No to 2.

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 07:18 AM

Hint: My aunt had hamsters once, and they were cute.

Pervinca Took · 08-16-2019, 08:18 AM

MITHRELLAS = ill hamster. Not an aunt of Lalaith, though.

What does EMMEL mean?

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 09:34 AM

EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother
MITHRELLAS: A sick rodent is in disarray, for her.
MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears.
ERENDIS: Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed.
LINDORIE: A dwarf is inside a queue for her.

I mean my real-life aunt. And emmel means 'mother', suprise.

Over to you.

Huinesoron · 08-16-2019, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

And emmel means 'mother', suprise.

Now that's an interesting word. Per Ardalambion, it's a variant spelling of an archaic poetic Sindarin word (the common word being naneth). It looks like a cognate to Quenya amillë of the same meaning, so why did Sindarin adopt an entirely different word?

Actually, naneth seems to be a Noldorin neologism, while Sindarin, Quenya, Ilkorin, Qenya, and Gnomish all use variants on amil/emil. But the Hive Mind insists on naneth as the common noun...

Tolkien fan-linguistics is weird, basically.

hS

Pervinca Took · 08-16-2019, 09:56 AM

1. Dish transforms, initially.
2. Deadly disease loses direction, note, for them.
3. Why, we hear, is a curved top unsung for them?
4. Sounds like it has very little fat on it.

Did Tolkien ever use the word 'emmel,' or has it been put together/worked out from his notes?

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 10:05 AM

The first one doesn't have a straight clue.

Pervinca Took · 08-16-2019, 10:49 AM

Yes it does.

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 11:11 AM

1. Dis?

Pervinca Took · 08-16-2019, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

1. Dis?

No, it's the initial that transforms.

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 11:44 AM

Tish? That makes no sense, though.

Urwen · 08-16-2019, 11:45 AM

I am assumiing 'dish' is a straight clue, then.

Pervinca Took · 08-16-2019, 12:03 PM

It is both straight and cryptic.

Galadriel55 · 08-16-2019, 07:40 PM

Well, FISH then, which is a dish.

Galadriel55 · 08-16-2019, 08:19 PM

I feel like I should know #2, but it's escaping me. A disease that's bad enough to be described as deadly. First thoughts were smallpox and bubonic plague, but those didn't yield anything useful. Turning to modern epidemiology, there is of course cancer, which is more promising for an anagram, but still gives me no good result. In the field of infectious diseases, ebola is both sufficiently fatal and well-known to be a candidate, but again can't make the letters fit. What does make a nice anagram with the note E is SARS, but unfortunately I doubt the Downs swear check will allow me to post it. I have tried both interpretations of removing direction - taking out a letter and scrambling - but so far no luck.

What else? Lots of things are deadly, but theh don't seem like a good fit for various reasons. Organ failure of any kind will kill you, but unless it's due to cancer it doesn't usually get enough public attention. Lots of infectious diseases can also kill you, but they are either obscure or treatae in an otherwise healthy person and therefore are less likely to be the "deadly" culprit. Heck, diabetes is a horrible killing disease, but since insulin has become available people don't think of it that way. Stroke? Potentially anagrammable, though I wouldn't quite call it a disease in itself so much as a manifestation of disease.

I can sort of stretch Carc from cancer and Eol from ebola, but neither one fits "them". Ugh.

So no proper guesses so far, just frustrated thoughts out loud. Maybe it will help someone though.

Pervinca Took · 08-16-2019, 11:41 PM

FISH: Dish transforms, initially.
2. Deadly disease loses direction, note, for them.
3. Why, we hear, is a curved top unsung for them?
4. Sounds like it has very little fat on it.

Urwen · 08-17-2019, 03:13 AM

Password: Food

Pervinca Took · 08-17-2019, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Password: Food

Not food, but similar.

Can you guess the theme?

Urwen · 08-17-2019, 03:49 AM

I assume 2 and 3 are races?

Pervinca Took · 08-17-2019, 04:54 AM

3 is.

Pervinca Took · 08-19-2019, 12:24 AM

Work out the theme ... it's like Urwen's guess at the password but more specific ... then the rest of the clues should be quite easy.

Urwen · 08-19-2019, 01:57 AM

I can't think of anything else.....

Pervinca Took · 08-19-2019, 03:15 AM

What is it about the one clue guessed so far that makes it a specifically Middle-earth answer?

Urwen · 08-19-2019, 03:40 AM

Riddles between Bilbo and Gollum? Except no other riddle answer begins with F.

Pervinca Took · 08-19-2019, 04:24 AM

Not riddles. Try again.

Urwen · 08-19-2019, 06:10 AM

Then I give up.

Morsul the Dark · 08-19-2019, 07:49 AM

Password similar to food Could be

FEED

making 4 either Dine or Dinner sounds like thin

Three is a race and the only thing I can think of is

ENT because Bent could be a curve and unsung take away the b which is a music note?

Pervinca Took · 08-19-2019, 10:28 AM

Not feed, I'm afraid.

Hint for 3: the answer is an elvish word. Not obscure. It occurs in LOTR.

Urwen · 08-19-2019, 10:47 AM

Lindar (lid+something?)

Galadriel55 · 08-19-2019, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Hint for 3: the answer is an elvish word. Not obscure. It occurs in LOTR.

I am convinced that it starts with Y, but can't make heads or tails with the rest. Yrch?

08-14-2019, 02:04 AM	#7721
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	And here it is 1. Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother 2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her. 3. A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears. 4. Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed. 5. A dwarf is inside a queue for her. (Both of the people in the first clue are Tolkien characters) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-14-2019, 03:31 AM	#7722
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	1. E-arwen. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-14-2019, 04:16 AM	#7723
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother 2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her. 3. A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears. 4. Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed. 5. A dwarf is inside a queue for her. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-14-2019, 05:57 AM	#7724
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	4. SERINDE, from NEREIDS. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-14-2019, 05:59 AM	#7725
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Nope, it's the other one, who is related to Anardil and Emerwen and Irimon. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-14-2019, 06:00 AM	#7726
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Erendis. And ELVES. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-14-2019, 06:36 AM	#7727
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Yes to Erendis, no to the password. Last I checked, Erendis isn't an Elf. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-14-2019, 12:31 PM	#7728
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	5. LINDORIE. DORI inside LINE. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-14-2019, 02:34 PM	#7729
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother 2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her. 3. A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears. ERENDIS: Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed. LINDORIE: A dwarf is inside a queue for her. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 02:00 AM	#7730
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,910	A sick rodent could be an ill rat, which gives almost everything we need for ITARILLE. If the element is Iridium, and the unit is mile, then by disturbing the end of the latter we get MIRIEL. hS

08-16-2019, 07:16 AM	#7731
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother 2. A sick rodent is in disarray, for her. MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears. ERENDIS: Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed. LINDORIE: A dwarf is inside a queue for her. No to 2. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 07:18 AM	#7732
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Hint: My aunt had hamsters once, and they were cute. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 08:18 AM	#7733
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	MITHRELLAS = ill hamster. Not an aunt of Lalaith, though. What does EMMEL mean? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 08-16-2019 at 08:51 AM.

08-16-2019, 09:34 AM	#7734
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	EARWEN: Noble maiden comes after a note, for her great-grandmother MITHRELLAS: A sick rodent is in disarray, for her. MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a distance unit, slightly disturbed. She appears. ERENDIS: Sea nymphs spin around, and she is revealed. LINDORIE: A dwarf is inside a queue for her. I mean my real-life aunt. And emmel means 'mother', suprise. Over to you. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 09:56 AM	#7736
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	1. Dish transforms, initially. 2. Deadly disease loses direction, note, for them. 3. Why, we hear, is a curved top unsung for them? 4. Sounds like it has very little fat on it. Did Tolkien ever use the word 'emmel,' or has it been put together/worked out from his notes? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 08-16-2019 at 09:59 AM.

08-16-2019, 10:05 AM	#7737
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	The first one doesn't have a straight clue. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 10:49 AM	#7738
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Yes it does. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-16-2019, 11:11 AM	#7739
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	1. Dis? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 11:44 AM	#7741
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Tish? That makes no sense, though. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 11:45 AM	#7742
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	I am assumiing 'dish' is a straight clue, then. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-16-2019, 12:03 PM	#7743
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	It is both straight and cryptic. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-16-2019, 07:40 PM	#7744
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	Well, FISH then, which is a dish. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-16-2019, 08:19 PM	#7745
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,402	I feel like I should know #2, but it's escaping me. A disease that's bad enough to be described as deadly. First thoughts were smallpox and bubonic plague, but those didn't yield anything useful. Turning to modern epidemiology, there is of course cancer, which is more promising for an anagram, but still gives me no good result. In the field of infectious diseases, ebola is both sufficiently fatal and well-known to be a candidate, but again can't make the letters fit. What does make a nice anagram with the note E is SARS, but unfortunately I doubt the Downs swear check will allow me to post it. I have tried both interpretations of removing direction - taking out a letter and scrambling - but so far no luck. What else? Lots of things are deadly, but theh don't seem like a good fit for various reasons. Organ failure of any kind will kill you, but unless it's due to cancer it doesn't usually get enough public attention. Lots of infectious diseases can also kill you, but they are either obscure or treatae in an otherwise healthy person and therefore are less likely to be the "deadly" culprit. Heck, diabetes is a horrible killing disease, but since insulin has become available people don't think of it that way. Stroke? Potentially anagrammable, though I wouldn't quite call it a disease in itself so much as a manifestation of disease. I can sort of stretch Carc from cancer and Eol from ebola, but neither one fits "them". Ugh. So no proper guesses so far, just frustrated thoughts out loud. Maybe it will help someone though. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-16-2019, 11:41 PM	#7746
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	FISH: Dish transforms, initially. 2. Deadly disease loses direction, note, for them. 3. Why, we hear, is a curved top unsung for them? 4. Sounds like it has very little fat on it. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-17-2019, 03:13 AM	#7747
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Password: Food __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-17-2019, 03:49 AM	#7749
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	I assume 2 and 3 are races? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-17-2019, 04:54 AM	#7750
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	3 is. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-19-2019, 12:24 AM	#7751
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Work out the theme ... it's like Urwen's guess at the password but more specific ... then the rest of the clues should be quite easy. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-19-2019, 01:57 AM	#7752
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	I can't think of anything else..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-19-2019, 03:15 AM	#7753
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	What is it about the one clue guessed so far that makes it a specifically Middle-earth answer? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 08-19-2019 at 04:23 AM.

08-19-2019, 03:40 AM	#7754
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Riddles between Bilbo and Gollum? Except no other riddle answer begins with F. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-19-2019, 04:24 AM	#7755
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Not riddles. Try again. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

08-19-2019, 06:10 AM	#7756
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Then I give up. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

08-19-2019, 07:49 AM	#7757
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Password similar to food Could be FEED making 4 either Dine or Dinner sounds like thin Three is a race and the only thing I can think of is ENT because Bent could be a curve and unsung take away the b which is a music note? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

08-19-2019, 10:28 AM	#7758
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Not feed, I'm afraid. Hint for 3: the answer is an elvish word. Not obscure. It occurs in LOTR. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."