6 Degrees of Separation - Page 18 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-08-2004, 02:58 AM

Alatáriel -> Melian -> Thingol -> Olwë -> Any of those Elves who visited their wedding -> Uinéniel

Am I right? *fingers crossed*

Fingolfin II · 12-08-2004, 04:12 AM

You had a different and better way than me. Though I'm pretty sure Galadriel met Thingol and Olwe.

Anyway, I yield thee this here thread (I'll never make a herald

). Take it, Nil!

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-08-2004, 10:12 PM

Oh, well. I still GOT IT!!! YEEEEE-HAW!

OK . . .

Ahem. *composes self* Let's do this again.

Voronwë -> Boromir of the Fellowship

No half-elfs, or Gondolindrim.

Lindolirian · 12-09-2004, 06:35 AM

Voronwë-> Cirdan-> Erestor-> Boromir

Miriel · 02-12-2004, 11:38 AM

Okay, here goes....

Ibun -> Orome

No Ainur, no Turin, and a maximum of one Elf.

Lindolirian · 02-12-2004, 03:31 PM

Ibun-> Mîm->Hùrin->Turgon->Oromë

Miriel · 02-13-2004, 10:05 AM

Different from my way, but looks fine.

Go ahead!

Lindolirian · 02-13-2004, 02:50 PM

Manwendil-> Annael

Miriel · 02-15-2004, 07:13 AM

Manwendil -> Elros -> Earendil -> Tuor -> Annael

Lindolirian · 02-15-2004, 12:37 PM

Very nice. Continue!

Miriel · 02-21-2004, 06:54 AM

Hrm ... Sador Labadal -> Radagast

NightKnight · 02-21-2004, 07:22 AM

Sador Labadal -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> (Frodo ->) Gwaihir -> Radagast

I'm not sure if Galadriel met Gwaihir, but he did bring Gandalf to Caras Galadhon, so the chance is big.

Miriel · 02-21-2004, 08:18 AM

Looks good.

Would probably have been quicker to go from Radagast to Yavanna (and from there you have several options), but this is fine.

NightKnight · 02-22-2004, 02:17 PM

Vana -> Gothmog

No elves.

Lindolirian · 02-22-2004, 05:28 PM

Not as simple as Vana-> Melkor-> Gothmog is it?

NightKnight · 02-22-2004, 06:02 PM

Oops, missed that possibility. But you're right, it's not that simple.

Lindolirian · 02-22-2004, 06:37 PM

Good...
Vana-> (Manwë)-> Ëarendil-> (Tuor)-> Gothmog

NightKnight · 02-22-2004, 06:48 PM

Eärendil is half-elven...and do it without the valar.

Lindolirian · 02-24-2004, 03:49 PM

Gothmog-> Húrin-> Túrin-> Melian-> Vána

NightKnight · 02-25-2004, 03:30 AM

Works fine.

Lindolirian · 02-25-2004, 06:37 AM

This is actually a seven degrees of separation, unless you cut out one or even two of the people in favor of an assumed connection. Anyway, its really close and not too hard, so check it out:
Saeros-> Saelon

Lindolirian · 03-02-2004, 08:14 AM

Now this isn't too hard... Use your heads, people!

Miriel · 03-02-2004, 01:38 PM

Saeros -> Turin -> Hurin -> Hareth -> Hador -> Hathol -> Magor -> Saelon

I found several ways to do this, but I think this is the quickest. As you said, there are a couple of connections you could assume to shorten this - but here it is at full length anyway.

Lindolirian · 03-03-2004, 01:31 PM

I think you're thinking of a different Saelon. This one lived in the 4th Age.

NightKnight · 03-06-2004, 06:33 PM

Saeros -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Beregond -> Borlas -> Saelon

Yes?

Lindolirian · 03-08-2004, 06:30 AM

Very nice!

I used Pippin instead of Aragron, but it's the same difference.

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 11:44 AM

Eru -> Shagrat.

Only 5 degrees here. Also, no good guys.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-08-2004, 11:51 AM

Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Shagrat

This assumes that Shagrat was acquainted with the Witch-King. If that link is not certain enough, then Gorbag needs to be added in, as he was from Minas Morgul, of which the Witch-King was commander:

Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Gorbag -> Shagrat

Edit: Strictly speaking, Sauron shouldn't be used under the game guidelines, but I can't see any other way of doing it without using any good guys.

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 12:23 PM

Well, there is a way. Try to find it.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-08-2004, 12:34 PM

Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Ufthak -> Shagrat

Although it is arguable that Shelob was more than one generation removed from Ungoliant.

Miriel · 03-08-2004, 12:35 PM

Hmm. Would this work...?

Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Shagrat

Edit: Ah, curses, too late. And missed one out.

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 12:43 PM

Perfect, Saucepan. You're up.
And I believe it is said that she was the "last horrible offspring of Ungoliant" or something similar. I take that as that Ungoliant was Shelob's mother.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-09-2004, 07:58 AM

Quote:

And I believe it is said that she was the "last horrible offspring of Ungoliant" or something similar. I take that as that Ungoliant was Shelob's mother.

That is what most sources appear to assume, but we cannot be certain. "Offspring" and "spawn" can also simply mean descendants.

Anyway, enough of that. On with the game:

Nain I -> Thrain II

Using documented connections only (ie no assumptions whatsoever).

NightKnight · 03-09-2004, 08:29 AM

Náin I -> Thrain II -> Thorin I -> Glóin -> Óin -> Náin II -> Dáin I -> Thror -> Thráin II

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-09-2004, 08:49 AM

... that's 8 degrees of separation.

Now do it in 5 ...

Lindolirian · 03-09-2004, 01:41 PM

Nain I -> Thrain II

Nain I-> Durin's Bane-> Gimli-> Thorin Oakenshield-> Thrain II

NightKnight · 03-10-2004, 01:35 AM

Meh. :P

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-10-2004, 07:38 AM

I couldn't recall whether there is a specific reference to Gimli and Thorin Oakenshield meeting (in UT perhaps?), so I had Gloin between them.

But you are spot on otherwise, Lindol.

Please carry on.

Lindolirian · 03-10-2004, 07:54 AM

Yeah, I thought I remembered the two talking in UT because Gimli wanted to come along of the Quest of Erebor, but I didn't have my UT with me, so I chanced it. However, you are right I would have done better to throw in Gloin. Anyway...

Baldor-> Elurin

NightKnight · 03-10-2004, 08:41 AM

Baldor -> (Dead men of Dunharrow ->) Aragorn -> Elrond -> Elwing -> Elurin

12-08-2004, 02:58 AM	#1
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	I think I got it! Alatáriel -> Melian -> Thingol -> Olwë -> Any of those Elves who visited their wedding -> Uinéniel Am I right? fingers crossed __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

12-08-2004, 04:12 AM	#2
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	You had a different and better way than me. Though I'm pretty sure Galadriel met Thingol and Olwe. Anyway, I yield thee this here thread (I'll never make a herald ). Take it, Nil! __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

12-08-2004, 10:12 PM	#3
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Yes, I realised that Galadriel and Olwë met just after I left. Oh, well. I still GOT IT!!! YEEEEE-HAW! OK . . . Ahem. composes self Let's do this again. Voronwë -> Boromir of the Fellowship No half-elfs, or Gondolindrim. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

12-09-2004, 06:35 AM	#4
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Voronwë-> Cirdan-> Erestor-> Boromir __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

02-12-2004, 11:38 AM	#5
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Okay, here goes.... Ibun -> Orome No Ainur, no Turin, and a maximum of one Elf. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

02-12-2004, 03:31 PM	#6
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Ibun-> Mîm->Hùrin->Turgon->Oromë

02-13-2004, 10:05 AM	#7
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Different from my way, but looks fine. Go ahead! __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

02-13-2004, 02:50 PM	#8
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Manwendil-> Annael

02-15-2004, 07:13 AM	#9
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Manwendil -> Elros -> Earendil -> Tuor -> Annael __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

02-15-2004, 12:37 PM	#10
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Very nice. Continue!

02-21-2004, 06:54 AM	#11
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Hrm ... Sador Labadal -> Radagast __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

02-21-2004, 07:22 AM	#12
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Sador Labadal -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> (Frodo ->) Gwaihir -> Radagast I'm not sure if Galadriel met Gwaihir, but he did bring Gandalf to Caras Galadhon, so the chance is big. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-21-2004, 08:18 AM	#13
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Looks good. Would probably have been quicker to go from Radagast to Yavanna (and from there you have several options), but this is fine. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

02-22-2004, 02:17 PM	#14
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Vana -> Gothmog No elves. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-22-2004, 05:28 PM	#15
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Not as simple as Vana-> Melkor-> Gothmog is it?

02-22-2004, 06:02 PM	#16
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Oops, missed that possibility. But you're right, it's not that simple. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-22-2004, 06:37 PM	#17
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Good... Vana-> (Manwë)-> Ëarendil-> (Tuor)-> Gothmog

02-22-2004, 06:48 PM	#18
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Eärendil is half-elven...and do it without the valar. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-24-2004, 03:49 PM	#19
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Gothmog-> Húrin-> Túrin-> Melian-> Vána

02-25-2004, 03:30 AM	#20
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Works fine. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-25-2004, 06:37 AM	#21
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	This is actually a seven degrees of separation, unless you cut out one or even two of the people in favor of an assumed connection. Anyway, its really close and not too hard, so check it out: Saeros-> Saelon

03-02-2004, 08:14 AM	#22
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Now this isn't too hard... Use your heads, people! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-02-2004, 01:38 PM	#23
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Saeros -> Turin -> Hurin -> Hareth -> Hador -> Hathol -> Magor -> Saelon I found several ways to do this, but I think this is the quickest. As you said, there are a couple of connections you could assume to shorten this - but here it is at full length anyway. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-03-2004, 01:31 PM	#24
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	I think you're thinking of a different Saelon. This one lived in the 4th Age. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-06-2004, 06:33 PM	#25
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Saeros -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Beregond -> Borlas -> Saelon Yes? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 06:30 AM	#26
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Very nice! I used Pippin instead of Aragron, but it's the same difference. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-08-2004, 11:44 AM	#27
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Eru -> Shagrat. Only 5 degrees here. Also, no good guys. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 11:51 AM	#28
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Shagrat This assumes that Shagrat was acquainted with the Witch-King. If that link is not certain enough, then Gorbag needs to be added in, as he was from Minas Morgul, of which the Witch-King was commander: Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Gorbag -> Shagrat Edit: Strictly speaking, Sauron shouldn't be used under the game guidelines, but I can't see any other way of doing it without using any good guys. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-08-2004, 12:23 PM	#29
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Well, there is a way. Try to find it. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 12:34 PM	#30
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Aha! Here it is Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Ufthak -> Shagrat Although it is arguable that Shelob was more than one generation removed from Ungoliant. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-08-2004, 12:35 PM	#31
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Hmm. Would this work...? Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Shagrat Edit: Ah, curses, too late. And missed one out. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-08-2004, 12:43 PM	#32
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Perfect, Saucepan. You're up. And I believe it is said that she was the "last horrible offspring of Ungoliant" or something similar. I take that as that Ungoliant was Shelob's mother. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-09-2004, 08:29 AM	#34
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Náin I -> Thrain II -> Thorin I -> Glóin -> Óin -> Náin II -> Dáin I -> Thror -> Thráin II __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-09-2004, 08:49 AM	#35
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	yes, but ... ... that's 8 degrees of separation. Now do it in 5 ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-09-2004, 01:41 PM	#36
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Nain I -> Thrain II Nain I-> Durin's Bane-> Gimli-> Thorin Oakenshield-> Thrain II __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."