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02-28-2007, 08:28 AM
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Maybe Gollum speaking to Frodo just before Shelob's Lair:
My treachery leads to your great deeds, - it was Gollum's treachery as he first stole the Ring from Deagol that eventually lead to Frodo's great deeds I've broken your family, then protected you from harm. - it was because of him that Bilbo found the Ring and was changed by it Because of me you safely escaped, because of me you had to. - with Gollum's help Frodo managed to get so far, but because of Gollum he faced many dangers as well My protection lasts only tonight. - makes sense, since next morning they reached Shelob's Lair and Gollum had made up his mind about Frodo's fate
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02-28-2007, 11:55 AM
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Sorry. 'Broken your family' also refers to a literal, biological family. Let me know if you guys would like a hint.
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02-28-2007, 01:20 PM
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I got the idea it might be the King of the Dead speaking to Aragorn maybe
My treachery leads to your great deeds, - it was his treachery that lead to Isildur's curse and thus to Aragorn's deeds I've broken your family, then protected you from harm. - didn't come to Isildur's help, then helped Aragorn Because of me you safely escaped, because of me you had to. - he didn't attack the Grey Company while they walked the Paths of the Dead, but because of the Dead Aragorn took this path in the first place My protection lasts only tonight. - only one night because the next day the Dead defeated the corsair fleet and then were released by Aragorn
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02-28-2007, 02:09 PM
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Could it be the ring talking to Isildur?
My treachery leads to your great deeds - Isildur did a great deed in defeating Sauron I've broken your family, then protected you from harm - Sauron and the ring killed Elendil and indirectly Anarion, then at the Gladden fields Isildur was protected by the invisibility that the ring provided Because of me you safely escaped, because of me you had to - Isildur escaped the fight at the Gladden fields and was forced to in order to keep the ring from fallin into enemy hands My protection lasts only tonight - The ring protected Isildur only until he initially escaped, and then abandoned him to his death |
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02-28-2007, 06:15 PM
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Afraid not.
The 'protection' spoken of in two different places is the same protection, if that helps. The answer protected for one night only the person whose family the answer broke.
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03-02-2007, 07:10 PM
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Moria to Gimli?
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03-02-2007, 07:50 PM
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Sorry, no. A little closer, though. You're right in thinking that the answer is not neccessarily a person.
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03-05-2007, 05:50 AM
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Well, is it the Ring, but speaking to Frodo then?
My treachery leads to your great deeds - because of the Ring's treachery to Isildur (or maybe even Gollum), Frodo eventually gained the Ring and therefore could, well, make great deeds  I've broken your family, then protected you from harm - Bilbo had to leave to Rivendell, Frodo was then protected (sometimes) by the Ring Because of me you safely escaped, because of me you had to - Meaning he left the Shire (he had to) My protection lasts only tonight - oh, I now noticed you said it refers to one literal night. Well then, it could be on Weathertop. Of course, the above does not necessary have to be said on Weathertop, the Ring could tell it to Frodo anytime. Is it important? I mean, is the speech above bound only to that specific night? Couldn't the subject tell it any other night? If not, my guess is probably wrong.
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03-05-2007, 09:23 AM
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perhaps a hint? is it first age or third?
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03-05-2007, 10:40 AM
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Garen said "lotr-related", so I'd guess Third
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03-05-2007, 11:29 AM
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Yes, it is third age.
 I see you found the flaw in your own answer. Also, the first line could be re-written as 'My treachery to you leads to your great deeds'
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03-11-2007, 07:23 AM
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Maybe the Brandywine to Frodo
My treachery leads to your great deeds, - because og his parents' death he was taken by Bilbo and eventually received the Ring I've broken your family, then protected you from harm. - his parents died in a boating accident, but the Brandywine prevented the Nazgul from following Frodo Because of me you safely escaped, because of me you had to. - Because of the tiver he escaped, because of the need to cross the river he was forced to risk and ride with Farmer Maggot My protection lasts only tonight. - the Nazgul were forced to ride 20 miles north and use the Brandywine bridge, so next day they already were on the other side
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03-11-2007, 04:58 PM
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Nice guess. That's correct. Board's yours.
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03-13-2007, 07:52 AM
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Wow
To tell you the truth I wasn't pretty sure about that one, but I thought it fits pretty well
Anyway, I'll repeat my earlier comment, great riddle! We are friends of the Atani And in forests we live Our laughter is pure But to Orcs deadly blows we give I know it's easy, I promise to make the next one harder...
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03-13-2007, 08:50 AM
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Druadan of the Druadan Forest?? thats what comes ot my mind...
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03-13-2007, 08:51 AM
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They're some sort of Elves, that's clear, but who...
The Elves of Ossiriand?
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03-13-2007, 09:59 AM
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Gil-Galad is right
Actually, I wasn't thinking of only some of them, but of the Druedain in general
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03-13-2007, 10:12 AM
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The Might - I'm pretty sure you've used that riddle before...
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03-13-2007, 10:16 AM
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Oops I did it again...
You're right, it was not intentionately done, I had forgotten about that...
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03-13-2007, 04:55 PM
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hmmm... must think...
easy one for anyone who has read The Lost Tales... or is it Unfinished Tales i wander about i go in and out i talk at a couples home listening about gnomes
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03-14-2007, 01:45 AM
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Aelfwine perhaps? If you hadn't said that Lost Tales -thing it would have been more difficult...
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03-14-2007, 07:13 AM
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nope guess again
it could've been The Lost Tales of The Unfinished Tales, and i had to say that because people would just be confused straight out...
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03-14-2007, 08:41 AM
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Well...gnomes probably are the Noldor, as they were called Gnome in early writings
But there are definitely A LOT of characters sitting in homes of couples listening to stuff about the Noldor
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03-15-2007, 07:05 AM
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uh well yeah... but you didn't give me an anwser, you just debated the riddle...
keep guessing, may need a bit of reading but a quick glance should help you
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03-15-2007, 07:07 AM
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Oh my.... my mistake
Thinlomien you are correct, i was going for the name Eriol and i forgot that they are the same person your turn m'dear
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03-17-2007, 02:43 PM
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Yay
Sorry it took me some time though.
You hate me, though you should love me, I killed many of you, that I see, but without me you wouldn't be there. I know you still look this way. Blame your kinsmen, I say.
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03-17-2007, 05:35 PM
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I would say Olwe
You hate me, though you should love me, - by the Noldor for not helping them, they should love him as he tried to make them see the wrong in their actions I killed many of you, that I see, - during the kinslaying but without me you wouldn't be there. - he was one of the leaders of the Elves during their march west I know you still look this way. - towards Aman Blame your kinsmen, I say. - probably the Noldor
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03-17-2007, 05:55 PM
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Good guess but no.
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03-20-2007, 10:50 AM
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Maybe Osse speaking to the Elves
You hate me, though you should love me, - because of his evil temper sometimes, but he actually did help many times I killed many of you, that I see, - causing storms and shipwrecks but without me you wouldn't be there. - firstly, he helped Ulmo carry the Elves to Aman on Tol Eressea, and the Noldor left Aman by using the ships of the Teleri, who had learned about building such ships from Osse I know you still look this way. - towards the Sea Blame your kinsmen, I say. - the Noldor I guess I know it's not very good, but it's the only guess I had. If it is wrong, I would appreciate a hint...
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03-20-2007, 02:15 PM
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Okay, maybe this is quite daring to go that high, but inspired by TM mentioning Ossë and also thinking of the recent Mac's game, what about Eru to the rest of the Númenoreans, who were left on the island after Pharazon left? Or, rethinking it, maybe just Manwë, since it was not Eru who "killed" anyone until the Fall, and after the Fall, there would probably be no one to tell this to.
You hate me, though you should love me, - Of course they hate him, though they should love him. I killed many of you, that I see, - referring to the people dying due to lightnings, maybe also to Pharazon, though he didn't actually die. but without me you wouldn't be there. - Of course they wouldn't. I know you still look this way. - to the West Blame your kinsmen, I say. - Meaning Ar-Pharazon and all these who caused the island to become wicked. Or, if you take Mac's game as a true story, then it might be Eru to the islanders - it would make perfect sense
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03-21-2007, 12:57 AM
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No and no. You're quite close sometimes though.
I'll give you the hint. The "I" of the riddle would probably not have any reasons to say this or to defend his/her/its actions to the "you" ie the "you should love me" is not to mean that the "I" wants the "you" to love him/her/it or that he/she/it actually cares, but to point out he/she/it is not that bad or that some horrible things are not only his/her/its doing.
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03-21-2007, 07:10 AM
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Maedhros?
You hate me, though you should love me, - many were upset with the Sons of Feanor I killed many of you, that I see, - SoF killed many elves, orcs and humans alike but without me you wouldn't be there. - without the SoF the valar wouldn't have came and the rest of the Noldor too I know you still look this way. - many will never forget SoF's actions Blame your kinsmen, I say. - Maedhros urged to blame his brothers and his father for their actions, not his
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03-21-2007, 07:28 AM
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Nope.
Say if you need more hints, btw.
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Quote:
if you need more hints, btw. now what?  but seriously... hint please
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03-22-2007, 01:53 AM
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A Little Hint
Well, TM has been right all the time about one thing. The "kinsmen" refers to Noldor. Whether to only some group of them or to them all, I'll let you to figure out by yourselves...
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03-28-2007, 02:07 AM
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Need more hints?
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03-28-2007, 06:31 AM
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Maybe Melkor "speaking" to the Noldor
You hate me, though you should love me, - of course they hate him I killed many of you, that I see, - because of him many died but without me you wouldn't be there. - this could mean two things...either Melkor is saying that without him stealing the Silmarils they would have never gotten kingdoms in Beleriand, or perhaps implying that had they not died because of him, they wouldn't have returned to Aman I know you still look this way. - to Angband where the Silmarils were Blame your kinsmen, I say. - Feanor and his sons for taking the oath
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03-30-2007, 03:48 AM
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You're very close in some ways, TM, but you're wrong.
But it isn't that difficult since one person has already guessed this, (but doesn't want to post the answer here because he doesn't want to come up with the next riddle)...
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03-30-2007, 07:19 AM
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i'm just going to go out and say... Feanor
if its right i'll explain it in next post
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No it's not right, but this whole thing is related to Fëanor.
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