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03-17-2006, 03:48 PM | #601 |
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Ang, you know Eomer balks at the idea of trading votes, etc., he's said so before. I think you'll be more likely to save Celeborn by joining me in voting for Fangorn/Treebeard than getting Eomer to help you evict Amandil.
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03-17-2006, 03:52 PM | #602 |
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Oh, but Eomer will make an exception for meee, I'm sure. We're both tall, dark Gaels...
Your suggestion is however noted as a last resort. For the moment I exhort supporters of Celeborn to join in voting Amandil to get fresher blood flowing in the veins of the Elendili. Remember what I said before. Anarion's a younger son. He needs to be given space to exercise his folkloric advantage...out with his grandfather!
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03-17-2006, 04:16 PM | #603 |
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I think it's finally time for Celeborn to go. He's not a particularly interesting character and lives perpetually in the shadow of Galadriel. I can't remember anything that he did by himself of his own volition without her. He seems rather detached from most proceedings. It makes one wonder just what he did after Galadriel passed into the West. He doesn't seem terribly capable of much on his own.
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03-17-2006, 04:28 PM | #604 |
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The curse of this game is that you spend ages carefully refuting arguments and people just slip by and repeat the same old ones...which is why I post so much on these threads...
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03-17-2006, 04:39 PM | #605 |
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Haha, sorry. Speaking for myself, anyway, I usually pick someone off the list who I want to go, generally based more off my personal dislikes than any particular reasoning, and then come up with some reasoning... except several times arguments have already been stated. I promise I did read your post though.
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03-17-2006, 04:54 PM | #606 |
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Every time the cameras come to the Line of Luthien Tribe, Amandil's not even there. He's down in the bay, trying to build yet another funny little ship. He's just yearning to leave, you can see it in his eyes, poor man. Let him leave this Hither Shore, or at least try.
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03-17-2006, 05:05 PM | #607 |
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Must...rescue...Celeborn.
++AMANDIL Amandil has no interest in being here. His task is to sail into the West and chat with the Valar (if they'll let him). Let's add some more to this... I have no problem with his trip. In fact, I think it was a noble effort. But ill-advised. I can't come up with any better solution if he wanted to get Numenor back in the Valar's good graces, but it wouldn't do any good for the real problem, which was Sauron working on Ar-Pharazon and Ar-Pharazon's pride. Probably should have just tried to help the remaining Faithful in Numenor and left for Middle-earth with Elendil and Co.
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03-17-2006, 09:19 PM | #609 |
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...And I return. To find Elrond gone (yay) and Suaron also (???). Amandil you say? For all we know Amandil could have made the difference between the nine ships of Elendil escaping or the Dunedain and the Hope for the West being swallowed into a toilet bowel.
++Celeborn In defense of Amandil EDIT: Right, Diamond18. So: Celeborn, although he may have seemed like Galadriel's shadow, really wanted her to get more attention. That way, he could just sit back and eat lembas while she did all the hard work (cooking, cleaning, and saving Lorien and the War) ________ Honda vf700f Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:29 PM. |
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Form said that voting for one character to protect another will only work if you come up with an additional reason to vote for the character you're voting for. I.E. if you vote for Celeborn to save Amandil, Elu, you need to state an additional case against Celeborn, rather than just a defense of Amandil.
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03-18-2006, 01:12 AM | #612 |
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Celuien, how could I forget? Fight fire with fire...
Amandil's a sailor, which casts grave doubts on his masculinity. His family are all useless, except Anarion. He doesn't have any decent swords. His title is stupid. Andunie? Sounds like a laxative. And Amandil sounds like Amanda. Girly. Ha. Nyah. Imagine Amandil talking to his great-great-great-children: "So, Elendil cut down Sauron, Isildur nicked the ring, and you..." "I got drowned." Loser! He's obviously suicidal. He had no hope of getting to Valinor. He can't want to be on this show. Let's give him what he wants... There. I've now uttered nine Sauce-worthy idiocies, er, I mean, cogent arguments. Let's see if they bring home the votes...
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Saucie, earlier on you defended Ohtar, who has about one line of description in Canon. Your condemnation of Elrond was based on the fact that this shouldn't be about patting high-profile Tolkien characters on the back endlessly. This proves that you lack-as has been shown so often before-a grain of consistency. As it happens, Celeborn is in my view one of those rare characters who is too cool to interfere with the plot in some flashy manner, but whose qualities on an unbiased reading are clear. To use an RPG analogy, he's an extremely well-written cameo appearance... But back to Amandil. Elu says he could have preserved the Hope for the West by reaching the Valar. Nonsense, old chap, you're deluding yourself. We ought to tell Anarion Full fathom five thy (grand)father lies Those are pearls that were his eyes It's fifty miles from Aberdour, and fifty fathoms deep...drown'd? Indeed he is! But anyway...the Dunedain weren't, as far as I can tell, the hope for the West. They spelt doom to its native inhabitants whom they subjugated and oppressed with unrightful lordships. They caused endless trouble with their Ring-banditry. If Anarion encouraged their proto-colonialism, he should be punished...
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03-18-2006, 03:35 PM | #614 |
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+ +Fangorn
An ent as a Survivor champ? No way. They just aren't active enough in events. They don't endlessly oppose evil. They don't send representatives to councils. They just hang out in the woods. Most of them turn into trees, and even the ents that stay "entish" lead the same sort of active life and are as interesting and charming as a pile of firewood. I mean, honestly, Treebeard said he spent large quantities of time simply "breathing"! Can we really reward someone who displays this level of absolute apathy and laziness in life? As far as I can tell, Treebeard's primary accomplishment during the 2nd Age was staying alive, and that was probably a struggle. I'm sure there were times where he took so long to raise his bowl of food to his mouth that he had almost shrivelled up by the time it arrived.
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The sixteenth day of voting was not as noisy as some previously, suffering from "the Weekend Syndrome". The voting fell as follows:
Celebrían: I Galadriel: I Fangorn: II Celeborn: II Amandil: III Had Lhuna stuck to her guns, and voted Celeborn, he'd have been gone in a double-lynching. However, she didn't, and we also didn't have an army of anti-Celeborn 'Downers ride in on Pink Oliphaunts, so he survives another day. 'Tis Amandil who must "sail west". HOUSEKEEPING: This next day should be very close to 24 hours in duration. If that isn't possible, I'll let it change on the longer side. Those remaining: Tribe of the Line of Lúthien: Anárion Elros Tar-Minyatur Tar-Míriel Tribe of the "Endorians": Celeborn Círdan Celebrían Narvi Fangorn Tribe of the Rest: The Witch-king Celebrimbor Ohtar Galadriel Day 17 begins now. Vote away!
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++OHTAR
Of the Lord of the Rings Code: Obviously, by naming this character Ohtar, Tolkien was trying to tell us that Ohtar's role could be filled by any other character. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that substituing an 'e' for the 'a' in his name and reversing the h with the t changes Ohtar to Other. The e to a substitution is the correct interpretation since the 'a' is the second vowel in Othar and e is the second vowel in the alphabet. If that doesn't convince you, consider the anagram, Ho! Rat! formed by his name. Do we want a skulking rat to win Survivor? And finally, lest my vote be discounted, I'll repeat my earlier reasoning that Othar is not a significant enough character to win Survivor.
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03-18-2006, 08:55 PM | #618 |
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As a recall from Unfinished Tales, Ohtar is afraid of being cowardly. I think that speaks for itself, right? ________ Silversurfer vaporizer Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:30 PM. |
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Okay, so no more votes against *ehem* Celeborn...now will you join me in getting rid of Celebrían? I would suppose you'll have no other reason to keep her around other than her being Celeborn's daughter, if that's even a reason enough. Last edited by Lhunardawen; 03-19-2006 at 01:15 AM. |
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I can't vote Celebrian-she has silver hair.
Ha! Ha! The pact is sealed! ++OHTAR-an office boy who shouldn't be carrying dangerous sharp things...
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03-19-2006, 02:51 AM | #621 |
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What the...?!
Pfft. Fine. ++CELEBRIAN for having silver hair, not doing anything substantial in Middle-earth other than giving birth to a half-Man and a half-Elf, getting herself caught and tortured, then sailing to the West because she couldn't take life anymore. What a coward. Everyone else vote Celeborn! Last edited by Lhunardawen; 03-19-2006 at 03:00 AM. |
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Elves make up nearly half of the remaining contestants. The "Endorian" tribe is the strongest tribe. Ergo, an Elf from the Endorian tribe must go. Of the three, Celeborn is the least extraordinary. Cirdan, while absenting himself from the affairs of Middle-earth for large parts of the First, Second and Third Ages was at least an extraordinary shipwright. Celebrian suffered intense torture at the hands of Orcs, and so deserves our sympathy. Celeborn did nothing which any other Elf of similar standing could not have achieved. As I have established previously, his claims to be the wisest Elf and greatest giver of gifts were vastly over-inflated. He relies solely on his wife for his renown and for his place in Middle-earth legend. And he even ensured that history was re-written in an attempt to ensure that his embarassing true name would remain hidden. Surely we can countenance the presence of this fraudulent upstart on the island no longer. + + TELEPORNO
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03-19-2006, 06:42 AM | #623 |
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Who to vote, who to vote . . .
Maybe I should re-honour my alliance with Anguirel . . .
++Ohtar (Not his real name . . . Why? Is his real name something ugly, something downright repulsive? 'Oh, look, there's [name deleted], son of an Orc!' he must have been taunted while yet a youth. Why give him a hard-to-pronounce name, for crying out loud? He might have well been named 'Random Númenórean # 72 for all we care.) If that's not Tolkien-based, I'll implore the Mod God of Ened-in-Nowhere to strike you down, Formendaga.
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03-19-2006, 07:14 AM | #624 |
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Not Ohtar. Don't ask me why, exactly, but I rather like the chap.
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The seveneenth day of voting was dead- really dead. And not just in the sense that it purports to take place in Arda Envinyanta (Arda Remade) or in the sense that it takes place on the 'Downs. No, it was just... dead. The voting, such as it was, fell as follows:
Celebrían: I Celeborn: II Ohtar: IIII Little known and hiding behind an assumed alias, it was only a matter of time before Ohtar was outed. 'twas only fitting, perhaps, that such a little known man fell by so few votes. HOUSEKEEPING: This next day should be very close to 24 hours in duration. If that isn't possible, I'll let it change on the longer side. Those remaining: Tribe of the Line of Lúthien: Anárion Elros Tar-Minyatur Tar-Míriel Tribe of the "Endorians": Celeborn Círdan Celebrían Narvi Fangorn Tribe of the Rest: The Witch-king Celebrimbor Galadriel Day 18 begins now. Vote away!
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03-20-2006, 01:23 AM | #627 |
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++ELROS TAR-MINYATUR
It's been proven by popular consent he's the brother of a cissy. So he's probably a cissy himself. Which would explain why he never did anything interesting, like fighting wars or worshipping Melkor...
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03-20-2006, 02:06 AM | #628 |
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Hmm... to vote or not vote today. I'm a little torn, because mainly I would like to put Ang out of his misery and remove Celeborn from the game, because day after day this constant gnawing at Saucey's ankles about it is really bordering on sad. Yet, voting for Celeborn would only give cause for Ang to gnaw at my ankles about it, which increases the sadness of the whole situtation. Saucey, in the meantime, no doubt laughs with maniacal glee as he posts here with the sole intent of driving Ang batty and causing him to gnaw at people's ankles. All in defense of Celeborn, who honestly isn't great enough to merit such prolonged bickering. Sure, he was a good supportive husband, probably the submissive type, quite likely my sort of guy. But do those types usually win Survivor?
But, even though I think that getting rid of Celeborn because he's taking up way too much space in the minds and efforts of players is a good reason to vote for him, it's not Tolkien based and is therefore a waste of a vote. Well, right now I'm goin to vote again for + + Treebead My previous points about him the last time I voted still apply.
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03-20-2006, 11:10 AM | #629 |
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+ + Cidan
In the First and Third Ages the bearded one does important things, but for the Second Age he's just not all that important. Btw, does he like a nice trimmed beard or the natural, older statesman look?
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Not to mention Elrond is anything but a sissy...considering that without him, his wise counse, and his wisdom in building a refuge and bastion, the Kindly West would have fallen long before the time of Bilgo and Frodo. I say we vote for Celebrian. I now recant my original position, and take up the opposite and equally valid argument that, as there is nothing important ever told about her, she is not worthy of staying in the running. Sure, she porduced offspring that reunited the long-sundered branches of the Dunedian, and she was the daughter of Galadriel. But she never did anything cool herself.
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If the voters thought to prolong the proceedings by avoiding the vote on Day Eighteen, they were wrong. With relentless, inexorable force, the Moderator prepared for another day's eviction. The voting, such as it was, fell as follows:
Treebeard: I Elros Tar-Minyatur: I Círdan: II Like the gentleman he was, Círdan departed from the game without a fuss... HOUSEKEEPING: In case no one's noticed, I didn't analyse the votes publicly. All of them were valid, in any case. Those remaining: Tribe of the Line of Lúthien: Anárion Elros Tar-Minyatur Tar-Míriel Tribe of the "Endorians": Celeborn Celebrían Narvi Fangorn Tribe of the Rest: The Witch-king Celebrimbor Galadriel ...who are now being shuffled into two remaining tribes: Tribe of Those Born Immortal: Celeborn Galadriel Celebrían Celebrimbor Fangorn Tribe of Those Born Mortal: Elros Tar-Minyatur Tar-Míriel Anárion The Witch-king Narvi Day 19 begins now. Vote away!
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03-20-2006, 09:12 PM | #633 |
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I think the vote is suffering from "Werewolf Syndrome", Form. Everyone's been so wrapped up in the two WW games we've been a little distracted from Survivor.
+ + Fangorn Frankly, I'm too lazy at the moment to build a case against anyone else. So, as my reasons from the last two times still apply, I'm voting Treebeard again.
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03-20-2006, 09:19 PM | #634 |
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++Treebeard
For being annoyingly slow and boring. It's a wonder the Ents get anything done at all with someone like him for a leader. Sure they may have all the time in the world, but most people don't. Besides, the Entwives must have left for a reason, probably because they got so bored with their dull husbands. And if the Entwives couldn't even stand them... He just doesn't seem to do much ever. Sure, he has all the time in the world, but so do Elves, and you don't see them just wasting their lives away. |
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++Celebrían
A.K.A. Little Miss weakling! honestly? would you run away if a couple orcs that were picnicing nearby and saw a elf girl wandering the mountain-tops and decided to invite you in a ruffish-eat-your-had-way?
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03-21-2006, 09:24 AM | #637 |
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Stop the Ring madness!
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03-21-2006, 09:50 AM | #638 |
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For alienating the ent-wives and thus dooming his own species.
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I don't see Eomer here. Here's my chance, though I'll probably pay for it later.
++FANGORN Now, there's a difference between not being hasty and being painfully, terribly slow. Fangorn falls on the painfully slow end of the spectrum. Despite the attacks on the forest by Saruman and his creatures, he never would have done a thing about it if not for Merry and Pippin's arrival. Ostensibly, his job was to guard the forest from non-plant life. But it was only the persuasion of the definitely non-plant Hobbits that finally got him to do his job. What kind of steward is that? Yavanna would be very disappointed, I think. Oh, and I can't support a Fan of the Gorn. I stand with Kirk.
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It looks like we might finally be rid of the great leafy bore. It's about time.
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