TOL-IN-GAURHOTH XII, Erbar Telamarth

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Why you people continue to let me live, I'll never know. Yes, I didn't tell a single lie in this game... but how would you know that? I can't for the life of me figure out how I can remain like... the top suspect every single day and yet stay alive until the end almost every time. Somebody want to explain this to me?

Easy. Reputation versus the facts. The facts of the case pointed toward other people more than you. Reputation pointed completely toward you. On Day 3 I was going to tell you that you and I were both guilty of "overthink" in regard to each other, and I was betting that you weren't a werewolf; you weren't playing a werewolfish game the way I would expect Feanor of the Peredhil to do it. So I was going to suggest a truce, which me being considered so innocent by everybody else, would have either swayed opinion in your favor, or against me ... but I was so considered squeaky clean in this game that I could have used a little more suspicion my way. So thanks for your help in that regard, though it was to little avail, based on reputation rather than facts itself.

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by Mr. U

That second-to-last day was a disaster, and credit to Enca for creating such confusion without completely giving herself away. I was so mixed up that night that I probably could have been talked into casting a vote for myself.

The funny thing was, it really was a mistake. I had a total brain fart. Although after agonizing over my stupidity, I decided that since I was going to get lynched in the end, I might as well confuse you all a lot before going down.

I've really no idea about the phantom's Easter Egg thing regarding the choice of killing Firefoot. I didn't even suspect her to be the Seer; it was just pure luck for the wolves that there happened to be gifteds amongst the Three Innocents.

Ah, this was an awesome game. Cheers to Lord Phantom for his fantastic modding. Nice playing, everyone.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'd have to say this was the funnest time I had in a WW game. I wanted to try something different, instead of being a "well-liked" guy. Though I really was...annoyed...at the end, guess I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to be rid of me.

And a few words to Esty...besides my slandering your sewing I don't think I lied once during the game, so you could have taken me at face value. I really did think morm was the seer, since he spotted Cailin, then suddenly went after Formendacil.

I guarded you on Night 2, little good it did either you or me!

My notes for planning who to guard on Night 2 came down to this:

Seer

Not: Feanor, Mr. U.
Not likely: Firefoot (duh-uh!), Guy (werewolf?), Esty, Morm, Formy (werewolf?), Encai (werwolf?)
Neutral: Lhuna (not enough info)
Could be: Boromir

Oh, On Night 1 I guarded Morm. It was a toss-up between Eomer and Morm, and since I was more convinced of Morm than Eomer, Morm it was. Just imagine if I'd have guarded Eomer! I'd have messed everything up!

[Encaitare]

Originally Posted by LMP

I had intended to send my (ahem) invitations to Lhuna, Cailin, and Encai too, but the timing never worked out.

It's just as well for you... we weregirls wouldn't have taken kindly to such advances.

You know what I realized, and in my post-double-lynched delerium really amused me? Fea-Wolf sounds very much like Beowulf. Just wanted to share that fascinating tidbit with you all.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

I'm pretty sure Firefoot was just killed off for being a known innocent - same as LMP and mormegil. It was just our rotten luck that two of them were gifteds.

Your certainty at the beginning of Day 2 began to look to me like werewolvery. I was going to be all after you on Day 3. In fact, Mr. U's case against you on - what - Day 5, was precisely what I had been ready to present on Day 3.

People ask why I commited suicide... Well...

Firstly, I worked out that double lynchings would help our chances of winning.

I continue to be against multiple lynchings. Here's why: all the mathematical working out you do cannot account for the additional days of discussion rendered by only lynching one victim per Day. The discussions and analysis, and give and take all add up to more chances for a werewolf to slip up or vote in a way that reveals at least suspicion, if not guilt. And as you later pointed out in the post I'm quoting, your conditions were not followed, and therefore your outcome was anything but assured; which of course is completely to be expected in the dynamics of a game like this.

Oh, and I'm against suicides. It's the easy way out, like multiple lynchings. So there's a good reason to keep the cobbler, or at least the suggestion of a cobbler's existence, in the game.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Ah now I lament that I couldn't trust Mister Underhill sooner though because the day we lynched Formendacil I wanted to do a double lynching of Enca too but I didn't dare speak my thoughts openly to anybody I just had to hope and wait.

Ah but you could have trusted him sooner. On Day 3 I was going to point out an additional factor in Cailin's now infamous slip-up post in which she suggested that the werewolves were experienced. I found this interesting, and seeing as it was part of the same paragraph that had pointed her out to me as a werewolf, I decided to hypothesize that Esty and Mr. U. were both innocent ordinaries, and see where that would lead me. It led to strong suspicions of Guy, Formy, and Encai, in that order. I wasn't sure which of those three were the two remaining werewolves, but I was pretty convinced that two of these were the ones. Enca's vote on Day 1 incriminated her: she saved Cailin. What about bluffing and double bluffing? Well, Occam's Razor is a handy tool: accept the simplest answer that successfully accounts for all of the information. Fact: Encai did save Cailin (not Anguirel). On Day 2, Encai defended me and Mr. U., which I discounted based on my innocence and the hypothesized innocence of Mr. U. Formy defended Guy, which placed Guy in suspicion with me. Guy defended Enca. And Formy kept voting for Mr. U., whom I thought to be innocent. And Boromir kept voting for Formy, which fit my hypothesis of Boro's innocence and Formy's guilt. But I was going to save my strongest attack for Guy, because so much of what he said on Day 2 was self-incriminating. Oh well, maybe I'll last longer in another game.

[the phantom]

If you want to find the so-called "easter eggs"....

1. Easter Egg One Completed- Erbar Telamarth's meaning

2. Post #37, reference to Downs history

3. Post #37, character name

4. Post #39, reference to Middle Earth history

5. Post #40, reference to Downs history

6. Post #199, joke on village occupation

7. Post #199, song reference

8. Post #201, character name

9. Post #273, movie reference

10. Post #273, play on person's name

11. Post #275, reference to Enca pm

12. Posts #416 and #417, commentary on Day's events

13. Post #417, reference to Eomer pm (in WW III, I believe)

14. Post #419, reference to Downs history

15. Post #467, play on person's name

Some of them aren't even hidden- they are just things that I wondered if anyone noticed.

Originally Posted by Encaitare

I've really no idea about the phantom's Easter Egg thing regarding the choice of killing Firefoot. I didn't even suspect her to be the Seer

You have "no idea", Enca? Are you sure? Look at what you just said-

I didn't even suspect her to be the Seer

I included that in my narrative. See it?

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by the phantom

One is a movie reference (once again, pretty straight forward).

Oh, I split my guts on that one: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Give me my prize unless it's been claimed already.

[Shelob]

On top of the table, all covered in, well, me
I lost my poor head when 'twas cut by L-M-P

It rolled off the table, and onto the floor,
And then my poor head, it rolled out of the door.

It rolled down the garden, and under a bush,
And then my poor head, it was nothing but mush!

I had actually cought that, just forgot about it...mostly because I couldn't remember the words...thanks to google though that's been remedied...

[Encaitare]

I included that in my narrative. See it?

Ah. I get it now.

[Firefoot]

'If you look closely at Formendacil, you will find micro elf dna'."

Ah, micro elf dna is a anagram of Formendacil.

The reference to the skwerl dying when you voted for yourself made me grin.

You know what I realized, and in my post-double-lynched delerium really amused me? Fea-Wolf sounds very much like Beowulf.

Hehe, I noticed that too, the other night.

Seer
Not likely: Firefoot (duh-uh!)

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by LMP

(in a PM to the phantom)By the way, my now famous "bait and switch bluff" was just a lot of hooey at the time, just some verbage I threw out there for the sake of expression, but I think I actually have seen it described (by Feanor?) in this game. I have to admit I'm still a little confused by the concept, having just made it up to originally have no real meaning, but I do think I see Guy actually putting it to use!

So what do you think a bait and switch bluff would be, since it's so far undefined? Anybody?

[the phantom]

Ah. I get it now.

So- Enca has spotted her Easter Egg.

When Enca pmed me with her choice of killing Firefoot, she was hoping to get lucky and kill the Cursed Villager. She had no idea Firefoot was the Seer (I don't think anyone did- nice job FF).

So, I included it in my narrative-

"Just a minute, here!" exclaimed Fea. "Are you telling us that-"

"-Firefoot was a seer?!" finished Enca.

And Shelob noticed the song reference in her death scene-

The villagers turned towards Shelob in time to see her head roll off the table and onto the floor (then out of the door, through the garden, and under a bush, and was then nothing but moosh).

This one just happened. I wrote the sentence as it is outside of the parenthesis, and when I read it through I couldn't help but think of On Top of Spaghetti, so I added it.

And Firefoot has spotted a couple. From the narrative-

If you look closely at Formendacil, you will find micro elf dna

Yes- "Formendacil" can indeed be rearranged to spell "micro elf dna".

And Firefoot also spotted one of the Downs history references- Esty's concern for skwerls.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

So what do you think a bait and switch bluff would be, since it's so far undefined? Anybody?

Ooh, ooh, pick me! My definition of a bait and switch bluff would be as follows:

One Fea-wolf lays the bait carefully to lead suspicion subtley but directly to one innocent (or, equally likely, also guilty) villager. Just as the villagers take the well-hidden bait, Fea-wolf switches it up and points her finger to a new villager (or more likely, a new wolf), using a rather lot of obvious evidence to convict said person.

Due to invisible "bait", the village is permanently, though latently, suspicious of the original, and extremely worried about the "switch". Should both villagers survive, after Fea's death, they will likely be killed because everybody knows I'm willing to throw my team mates to the erm... wolves.

[Cailín]

Seriously, this game was more stressful than any game I've participated in before. It's terrible being a wolf.

I think during Night 2, I first suggested killing either Lhuna or Fea, because of some random brainwave I don't quite understand anymore. Next I was willing to kill one of the people who voted for me, especially Firefoot, because I was so worried about her I would risk the village going after me the next day. When we finally more or less agreed on Eomer, I got a real bad feeling about it and I almost sent a PM to Formendacil - who was going to deliver the message - to kill LMP instead. But I didn't, much to my dismay the day after.

One more thing: A nice twist to this game, wasn't it Cailín? I think we're just meant to be together.

I think next time when I accidentally sign up for a game you're in, I'll either have to ignore your existence or just commit suicide.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Phantom, I knew what you meant as soon as you mentioned that PM you sent me in WWIII. Referred to when you told how Boromir88, with his last action before dying, gave the villagers the bird. Reading it, I'm surprised you didn't go with the 'fingers-straight-as-arrows' line. (It was in reference to The Phantom's self-suggested death in Storyland.

LMP, lucky indeed that you didn't pick me on NIGHT 2!

Why did I pick Cailín even after I voted for Boromir88 that day? Well, I didn't really suspect Boro – in fact, I basically said that in my post. It was just that he gave me reasons to choose him (however poor) and I wanted to get the discussion going. Also, voting early on Day One is always hard.

I got really lucky with Cailín. My main reason for choosing her was this: She voted for me despite the numerous clues I had given in my posts to suggest my secret role. I really didn't think any innocent would vote for me that Day and, even if she was innocent, she deserved to die for not reading carefully enough!

Did anyone catch the clues which alluded to my Hunting ways? As it happened, Anguirel guessed I was the Hunter but for entirely different reasons!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Phantom, I knew what you meant as soon as you mentioned that PM you sent me in WWIII. Referred to when you told how Boromir88, with his last action before dying, gave the villagers the bird. Reading it, I'm surprised you didn't go with the 'fingers-straight-as-arrows' line. (It was in reference to The Phantom's self-suggested death in Storyland.

Hey, I remember that! I laughed really hard when I found out what he'd suggested for his own demise. The fingers straight as arrows... I'm surprised I didn't remember it before.

Did anyone catch the clues which alluded to my Hunting ways? As it happened, Anguirel guessed I was the Hunter but for entirely different reasons!

Only after you were dead. Oops.

[the guy who be short]

Mortakh was, I presume, a joke. I can't make much of it though.

Mort is French for dead, and akh might possibly be Egyptian? I'm not sure.

Alternatively, you could be demanding more taxes, or tacks, or tackier games.

[mormegil]

Mortakh=More Talk

[the phantom]

Phantom, I knew what you meant as soon as you mentioned that PM you sent me in WWIII.

And so, Eomer has found his easter egg.

For those of you who aren't in the know, once I realized I was going to be lynched in WW III despite my most excellent arguments, I sent Eomer, the Moderator, a pm suggesting a few things to include in my death.

I can't remember exactly how it went, but it was something like this-
His body stopped with a jerk and the villagers heard his neck snap.

"My God- he was innocent... he was telling the truth."

The villagers stood in guilty silence as the executioner cut the rope holding Phantom in the air. Phantom landed hard, face down on the ground. His tied hands were clenched tightly behind his back, all except his middle fingers, which were as straight as arrows.

Mortakh was, I presume, a joke.

Yes, it was. Can anyone figure out the joke behind Mortakh the orc captain?

You don't need a foreign language dictionary.

And no, morm, that's not it- though your guess is rather good, seeing as I did indeed want this game to be a "more talk" game.

[Mister Underhill]

I think my favorite narration was at the end of Day 4, in posts 416-417. It perfectly captures the utter confusion of that day and I think you can sense even the moderator's amazement at the two suicide votes.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

It causes every person in a village to distrust everyone else- even their own spouse and children.

I'm sure I could be wrong, but this reminds me of that time that m'dear Lord Phantom played the part of my husband, the Innkeeper. I'd have killed him in a heartbeat.

Three years before, Sauron had turned Phantom into a werewolf. Usually, Sauron would go to the outskirts of a village and draw the three villagers with the darkest hearts to him and put into them a foul werewolf spirit, but he had gone out of his way to make Phantom a wolf. Phantom did not come to him- he pursued and captured Phantom. Phantom was a young, intelligent, persuasive man, and Sauron knew he would make a perfect werewolf- and he did.

Was it WWIX where tp was the one of those mwahahahahaing wolves?

I foresee that you will be killed by a lone, unarmed midget!

I laughed on this one.

For the joke on a village occupation, I see morm saying "don't kill the messenger" and I see the lecherous innkeeper commencing the game of spin-the-bottle.

So, you think Feanor of the Peredhil is our thin feral feeder? Pooh!

Anagram.

[the phantom]

Congrats, Fea- you've spotted some easter eggs.

Egg #2 concerns history here on the Downs- the fact that I have been a wolf in other villages (II and X).

I foresee that you will be killed by a lone, unarmed midget!

Yes, that was the reference to Middle Earth history I was looking for in egg #4.

So, you think Feanor of the Peredhil is our thin feral feeder? Pooh!

Anagram

Yes, indeed. Feanor of the Peredhil was rearranged to make "thin feral feeder? Pooh!".

Good eye. That was egg #15.

I see morm saying "don't kill the messenger"

Yes, that was egg #6.

So, we still have numbers 3, 5, 8, 9, and 12.

Nine is extremely easy to spot.

3 and 8 go hand in hand, you might say. If you figure one out, you will figure the other one out fairly quickly I should think.

[the phantom]

Also, I just have to ask- those of you who were reading my game-ending posts as I was making them, especially those still "alive" (Underhill, Esty, Fea), did I succeed in temporarily making you believe someone other than Enca was the wolf?

I wanted you to think at first it was Underhill or Esty, and then when Fea crashed into them I wanted you to think it was her, and then finally learn it was Enca. Did it work?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Also, I just have to ask- those of you who were reading my game-ending posts as I was making them, especially those still "alive" (Underhill, Esty, Fea), did I succeed in temporarily making you believe someone other than Enca was the wolf?

I wanted you to think at first it was Underhill or Esty, and then when Fea crashed into them I wanted you to think it was her, and then finally learn it was Enca. Did it work?

Not for me...

I was eagerly watching despite the relatively late hour, and you had me thoroughly annoyed at dragging it out for so long.

And I knew the truth of the matter!

[the phantom]

Of course it didn't work on you, Formy- you were a wolf!

you had me thoroughly annoyed at dragging it out for so long

Hey, now, if it worked on at least one or two people then you have to admit it was worth it.

And don't tell me not to drag things out. If you continue to complain, next time you're in one of my games, I will make you the seer and really drag out revealing your dream every night. As a matter of fact, I'll drag it out throughout the day and only tell you after voting has begun.

Never get annoyed with me- for I can always do far worse.

Mwu ha ha ha!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Well, phantom, I was very sure that Enca was the wolf, but I must admit that your way of stretching out the suspense did have me doubting just a bit! At any rate, it was a highly entertaining series of posts - the last day was my favorite for that reason! It was simultaneously aggravating and amusing.

[Anguirel]

I wasn't sure if it was Enca or Mr. Underhill, I admit, but I'd completely cleared the other two...

[Mister Underhill]

It worked on me, too -- for a minute there, I wasn't sure I wasn't the wolf.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

You would have been, Underhill, if Enca had gotten you instead of morm!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It almost worked up to a point. I knew I wasn't a wolf, and I was remarkably certain that Esty wasn't. I was still considering Underhill, but once I saw my body fly through the air, I knew it was Encai.

Yes, indeed. Feanor of the Peredhil was rearranged to make "thin feral feeder? Pooh!".

Good eye. That was egg #15.

Why thankee very much.

[Mister Underhill]

You would have been, Underhill, if Enca had gotten you instead of morm!

I had a bit of an intuition that I might be cursed, and I spent some of Night Four contemplating what my strategy would be if I was attacked instead of morm (I don't know about the rest of you, but I caught myself thinking about the game at odd times over the whole run). I thought it unlikely that the wolf would come after me after Enca's mistake, since morm still looked the most innocent, but it was fun to think up ways that I could try to frame morm as the cursed.

[the guy who be short]

Ah! Mortakh the Mucous is the phantom's Orkish name, according to the BD name translators.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Mister Underhill

but it was fun to think up ways that I could try to frame morm as the cursed.

I have to admit secretly coveting the role of cursèd and activated. The challenge of going from suspected innocent to unsuspected wolf strikes my fancy like you wouldn't believe.

[the guy who be short]

...And "phantom" gets Ufdreg the Sneak.

[Anguirel]

Orkish Name for Master Phantom
Grotgork the Strangler
This name is for both genders.

According to the Red Book of Westmarch,
In Middle-earth, Lord Phantom was a
Ale-drinking Umbarian

Hobbit lad name for Sir Phantom
Bingo Baker from Longbottom

Dwarven Name for King Phantom
Nerin Lightninglaughter
This name is for both genders.

And, crucially:

Orkish Name for King Phantom
Mortakh the No-Tooth
This name is for both genders.

[The Only Real Estel]

First off:
Posted by Gurthang:

++the phantom

For Best Moderator ever. Seriously, that was some pretty awesome narration.

Oh, and lynch

++the phantom

for dragging it out so long and trying to kill us with all the suspense.

Excellent game everyone.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I was alternately ticked at you for dragging out suspense & praising you for your awesomeness. I especially liked your last scene.

My thought process was something like this:

What!? Esty!! Wow. Wait...no, it could be Underhill. Huh. NO! It's Fea! They should've known! What, Enca? Yes, it is ENCA!! Fantastic.

Posted by SpM:

I would praise the phantom too for his outstanding moderation (both in formulating the rules and for the narraction), but I am afraid that, if I did, his head would swell to such proportions that it would burst out of my screen ...

Oh, you must have one of those huge computer monitors. His head outgrew my screen months ago.

Posted by Enca:

The funny thing was, it really was a mistake. I had a total brain fart...I decided that since I was going to get lynched in the end, I might as well confuse you all a lot before going down.

Uh...that sounds so much like me in my last game it's scary!

Great game, all!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I must confess, by the time we were down to the last five, before the final wolf killed her prey, I too was thinking about the cursed. Both aspects occurred to me - how on earth were we to find out someone who had posted in honest innocence so far? It could be any of us, and I started plotting combination lynchings of a "known" innocent and alternately Enca and Fea.

On the other hand, it very briefly occurred to me that I could be the cursed, though I didn't think phantom would have set me up for that role. And you know what? I almost wished to be! It would have been fun to switch roles mid-game, especially since no one ever seriously suspected me.

[Cailín]

Honestly, I was half-expecting the phantom to be so thoroughly tempted to switch the cursed that night, the village would wake up with an extra wolf anyway, regardless Enca's choice. Alas, he had more self control than I'd guessed.

[Boromir88]

Of all people to find this, of course it's me. I've spotted #9 Lord Phantom

"You know- it."

"Aahh- he said the word!" cried a passing Knight Who Says Ni.

Obviously being Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And the word that can't be "said" being "it."


I'm not sure what you're looking for in twelve, but you kind of played off how everyone acted that day. For instance morm being the guy who suggested we analyze the person below us...

"I say that we thoroughly analyze every single villager," suggested Mormegil.

Then me and Fea, bickering. Claiming I'm innocent and the Seer dreamed of me and her constantly wanting me dead.

"You'll die if you do! And who cares if you're innocent- you'll deserve to die," countered Boromir.

Something I said many times. I especially got a kick out of this.

"Let's double lynch," said morm.

"Let's not," agreed Boro.

"Let's do both," added Enca, helpfully.

"Or perhaps we should do neither," assented Fea.

And this...

"Well," said Fea, "Boro has been right every time and has provided us with lots of entertainment. Let's kill him."

That's basically how I felt her argument was. Let's lynch the most helpful villager, because he's pulling our chain.

"I'm just going to do whatever morm says," said Underhill and Esty in chorus.

That was quite in character I think. Then finally tgwbs' and my suicide at the end.

I don't know exactly what you were looking for, but that's basically want went on in that chaotic, suicidal, Day 4.