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[Pervinca Took]

D: Me, subjectively, plus him ... for him .... (Well, in a roundabout sort of way).
WILDERLAND: The prairies!
ARKENSTONE: It’s Undomiel’s monument, with a slight modification.
RIVENDELL: Tear demon, causing dental loss, left all around the refuge.
EVIF (FIRTREES): Retreat a step too far, to place of near-immolation? It’s just a number.
EGG: Answer this hider of gold.
SMAUG: Such a self-satisfied villain. Barely perturbed!

THEME: 'THE HOBBIT'

One to go!

[Pervinca Took]

Copied over from the last page - my extra hint for the remaining clue:

One of the 'hims' of clue one could be seen as a desperate man ….

[Huinesoron]

... -_- Every time there's a Pervinca clue no-one can crack, I know it's going to involve either a pop culture reference or a cruel pun.

So, subject me = I, and Desperate DAN gives, in a roundabout way, DAIN Ironfoot, and both reference and pun.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

DAIN: Me, subjectively, plus him ... for him .... (Well, in a roundabout sort of way).
WILDERLAND: The prairies!
ARKENSTONE: It’s Undomiel’s monument, with a slight modification.
RIVENDELL: Tear demon, causing dental loss, left all around the refuge.
EVIF (FIRTREES): Retreat a step too far, to place of near-immolation? It’s just a number.
EGG: Answer this hider of gold.
SMAUG: Such a self-satisfied villain. Barely perturbed!

THEME: 'THE HOBBIT'

As Huinesoron has just said, e'en verily is it so,
But salute we now Formendacil - for lo! It is his go!

[Formendacil]

Have to finish actually making one... I post here to be accountable that I shall do it!

[Formendacil]

1. But one or two letters of separation keep this genus from the Dark Lord.
2. "Is me?" quoth Pandora.
3. Too dignified to be cut down to a palatal nasal epithet.
4. On a western beach we sup.
5. Stronger as jumbled iron.
6. Too wayward a king.
7. Pickle and a non-kosher delicacy.
8. "Not a game" of chance.
9. Patron of a most singular Eorling.


Took me look enough! This is my first puzzle, so... I apologise if it is either too off-the-wall or accidentally brushes against the unspoken but traditional bounds.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Took me look enough! This is my first puzzle, so... I apologise if it is either too off-the-wall or accidentally brushes against the unspoken but traditional bounds.

Well without first puzzles we tend to fall prey to group dynamics and really narrow the scope of questions. I say it's a good thing if this falls outside the usual style, it adds variety.

A couple guesses:

5. Nori?
6. Telcontar?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well without first puzzles we tend to fall prey to group dynamics and really narrow the scope of questions. I say it's a good thing if this falls outside the usual style, it adds variety.

A couple guesses:

5. Nori?
6. Telcontar?

No on both--though the thinking behind Nori is probably right.

[Nerwen]

"Estel", then?

Edit: I mean for #5- anagram of "steel".

[Formendacil]

1. But one or two letters of separation keep this genus from the Dark Lord.
2. "Is me?" quoth Pandora.
3. Too dignified to be cut down to a palatal nasal epithet.
4. On a western beach we sup.
ESTEL Stronger as jumbled iron.
6. Too wayward a king.
7. Pickle and a non-kosher delicacy.
8. "Not a game" of chance.
9. Patron of a most singular Eorling.

[Pervinca Took]

That's a good one! I was thinking of steel, because I believe it's iron sort of jumbled with some air to make it more durable, but I didn't realise it was an anagram of Estel.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 2 something to do with misery, as that is what Pandora unleashed from the box, and the first four letters of it are an anagram of 'is me?"

Are we looking for the elvish for misery, or something?

[Pervinca Took]

7 suggests pork, which could be an accompaniment to pickle, and might work if the theme were flotsam and jetsam.

Otherwise, pickle could mean FIX, a favourite word of Sam's. Or perhaps it is an anagram indicator.

I can't think of any actual pickles mentioned in the books.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is 2 something to do with misery, as that is what Pandora unleashed from the box, and the first four letters of it are an anagram of 'is me?"

Are we looking for the elvish for misery, or something?

There's no connection in my mind to misery in this answer, though fertile minds can probably dredge up some connection if they try hard enough. It'd be a red herring to bark at, though.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

7 suggests pork, which could be an accompaniment to pickle, and might work if the theme were flotsam and jetsam.

Otherwise, pickle could mean FIX, a favourite word of Sam's. Or perhaps it is an anagram indicator.

I can't think of any actual pickles mentioned in the books.

You're on the right track with pickles and pork, but flotsam and jetsam is not the theme, nor is FIX the answer. It's not an anagram either.

[Pervinca Took]

Herbs and stewed rabbit?

Or maybe bacon and mushrooms, served by Mrs Maggot?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Herbs and stewed rabbit?

Or maybe bacon and mushrooms, served by Mrs Maggot?

Getting colder, I fear...

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on ... pickle IS mentioned! At the Unexpected Party. But in the same sentence as cold chicken, not ham.

Does 'getting colder' have a second, culinary meaning?

[Pervinca Took]

Ham or Hamfast?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Ham or Hamfast?

No and no.

[Galadriel55]

3. Glamdring?

[Pervinca Took]

Or possibly Mallorn?

[Formendacil]

No to both.

To my mind, the "palatal nasal" part is probably the key part of the clue... but I'll admit I had to Google it to put it in there in the first place, so hopefully it's not muddying the waters through misuse.

[Pervinca Took]

I thought it meant use some letters that are palatal or nasal consonants.

There is a palatal nasal sound, but I think it can only be written in phonetic script.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I thought it meant use some letters that are palatal or nasal consonants.

There is a palatal nasal sound, but I think it can only be written in phonetic script.

I'll give away that the reference in this clue is to something with "gn" in it--but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's in the answer.

[Pervinca Took]

ENSIGN or SIGNET would both kind of work as ornaments, but I can't get from either of those to an answer.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

ENSIGN or SIGNET would both kind of work as ornaments, but I can't get from either of those to an answer.

I did a double take there! I totally wrote the wrong word in the clue. It should be "epithet," not ornament.

A complicated clue needn't be nonsense!

[Nerwen]

Thinking aloud...

The "palatal nasal" is the consonant written as "gn" in Italian and French- but not in English. Is this "epithet" from one of those languages?

[Huinesoron]

Still on #3, is it possibly NOLDOR, who are 'too dignified' to be known as 'gnomes'? 'Cut down' could be indicating the fact that a gnome, these days, is usually small. (The answer could also be just ELF/ELVES, depending on how detailed you're being.)

Or I suppose SINDARIN, which is the language that evolved from Gnomish.

EDIT: #9, 'patron' makes me think 'patron deity', and I know we have the Rohirric name BEMA for OROME. He could definitely be seen as patron to Eorl, who has been depicted as very Orome-like at least once.

hS

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Still on #3, is it possibly NOLDOR, who are 'too dignified' to be known as 'gnomes'? 'Cut down' could be indicating the fact that a gnome, these days, is usually small. (The answer could also be just ELF/ELVES, depending on how detailed you're being.)

Or I suppose SINDARIN, which is the language that evolved from Gnomish.

EDIT: #9, 'patron' makes me think 'patron deity', and I know we have the Rohirric name BEMA for OROME. He could definitely be seen as patron to Eorl, who has been depicted as very Orome-like at least once.

hS

Huinsoron is exactly right on #3: NOLDOR: too dignified to be known as mere "gnomes." And if you take a late-era take that Noldor should be spelt Ñoldor, then the "palatal nasal" found in Italian and French but not in English is a bit of a double-clue.

#9 is not Orome or Bema, though.

[Formendacil]

1. But one or two letters of separation keep this genus from the Dark Lord.
2. "Is me?" quoth Pandora.
NOLDOR Too dignified to be cut down to a palatal nasal epithet.
4. On a western beach we sup.
ESTEL Stronger as jumbled iron.
6. Too wayward a king.
7. Pickle and a non-kosher delicacy.
8. "Not a game" of chance.
9. Patron of a most singular Eorling.

[Pervinca Took]

4. Don't know about sup, but the SOLOSIMPE pipe on the western beach of Eldamar.

And I think Limpe (found in the word) is a kind of mead.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

4. Don't know about sup, but the SOLOSIMPE pipe on the western beach of Eldamar.

And I think Limpe (found in the word) is a kind of mead.

Alas, no.

[Pervinca Took]

6. A wild guess at EORL, who has three 'ways' (directional letters) in his name.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

6. A wild guess at EORL, who has three 'ways' (directional letters) in his name.

I'm afraid not.

I will reveal with that clue, however, that the final answer is an anagram of another word for "king."

[Pervinca Took]

Is it RANA, the wayward moon, anagram of ARAN, the Quenya word for king?

[Formendacil]

Indeed it is!


1. But one or two letters of separation keep this genus from the Dark Lord.
2. "Is me?" quoth Pandora.
NOLDOR Too dignified to be cut down to a palatal nasal epithet.
4. On a western beach we sup.
ESTEL Stronger as jumbled iron.
RANA Too wayward a king.
7. Pickle and a non-kosher delicacy.
8. "Not a game" of chance.
9. Patron of a most singular Eorling.

[Galadriel55]

A wild tangent but can the non-kosher delicacy somehow become beacon through bacon? Though still no ideas for pickle.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

A wild tangent but can the non-kosher delicacy somehow become beacon through bacon? Though still no ideas for pickle.

Not the thinking here.

On the "pickle" part, I'll give away that it helps if you think about different kinds or flavours of pickles.

[Pervinca Took]

Might sound an odd guess, but how about WANDERING for the password? Or WANDERERS?

...

I've just looked for a Roman name for Pandora, but there isn't one. However, there is another Greek one: ANESIDORA. Not sure how to adapt that to anything in Tolkien, though.

... Just having edited to include 'Wanderers' as a password guess, wondering if the last clue could be SARUMAN as patron of pretty singular Eorling GRIMA.

EGGS AND HAM/BACON for the delicacy? You can buy pickled eggs (if you have seriously weird tastes in food). (And they could be wanderers if they were inside Bilbo, Gandalf and the dwarves at the time). (In fact they would be wandering anyway, through their digestive systems!)

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Might sound an odd guess, but how about WANDERING for the password? Or WANDERERS?

...

I've just looked for a Roman name for Pandora, but there isn't one. However, there is another Greek one: ANESIDORA. Not sure how to adapt that to anything in Tolkien, though.

... Just having edited to include 'Wanderers' as a password guess, wondering if the last clue could be SARUMAN as patron of pretty singular Eorling GRIMA.

EGGS AND HAM/BACON for the delicacy? You can buy pickled eggs (if you have seriously weird tastes in food). (And they could be wanderers if they were inside Bilbo, Gandalf and the dwarves at the time). (In fact they would be wandering anyway, through their digestive systems!)

No to the Pandora guess, no to Saruman, no to Eggs & Bacon, buuuuuuut....

W But one or two letters of separation keep this genus from the Dark Lord.
A "Is me?" quoth Pandora.
NOLDOR Too dignified to be cut down to a palatal nasal epithet.
D On a western beach we sup.
ESTEL Stronger as jumbled iron.
RANA Too wayward a king.
E Pickle and a non-kosher delicacy.
R "Not a game" of chance.
S Patron of a most singular Eorling.