WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Say what now? My head hurts.

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[skip spence]

I'd urge you to rationally consider what Agan is saying and why...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by skip spence

I'd urge you to rationally consider what Agan is saying and why...

That you're the cobbler? I'm sorry, but I'm not following.

[satansaloser2005]

Many things about this are not good....

[skip spence]

Yes, that's what she's been saying, isn't it?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

Either he thinks Eomer is innocent (thus Lottie is a wolf) or he thinks Eomer is a wolf, is sure one of them is going to die and wants to make the other look better. Assuming, of course, he's the cobbler.

I'd rather kill him than Eomer though. (News to anybody?)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Yes, that's what she's been saying, isn't it?

And what's the reason you suddenly want people to consider it rationally when they should concentrate on voting?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Yes, that's what she's been saying, isn't it?

It...it is...I still don't get it. You can't misinterpert that as another Seer hint; the Seer doesn't See the cobbler. Are you saying we should lynch you or something?

EDIT: xed with Agan

[satansaloser2005]

Eomer-->Lottie
Agan-->Skip
Skip-->Eomer

Left: Nerwen, Sally, Lottie



Hmmmm....

[skip spence]

No dammit, lynch Eomer, ergo my vote!

[satansaloser2005]

Skip, if you've got something to say, say it. Now.

[satansaloser2005]

++Eomer

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by skip spence

No dammit, lynch Eomer, ergo my vote!

++Eomer

But I still don't know why you're pressing this.

EDIT: xed with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Screw it.

Eomer's a wolf, okay? Lynch him. NOW!


EDIT: x'd with Lottie. Oh bother. That was stupid of me then.

[skip spence]

yes, do nothing or vote eomer or possibly agan

[Aganzir]

Votes:
(Pitch - most likely no vote)
Eomer - Lottie (1)
Agan - skip (1)
skip - Eomer (1)
sally - Eomer (2)
Lottie - Eomer (3)

Left: Nerwen

So he's dead.

[Nerwen]

++Eomer

[Aganzir]

I hope we got it right...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

So he's dead.

Very dead, actually.

[Inziladun]

DL Stop. I'm sorry it's late, but my computer picked an inconvenient time to do an anti-virus update.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

DL Stop. I'm sorry it's late, but my computer picked an inconvenient time to do an anti-virus update.

*huggles you and your computer* S'all right, oh modly one. We love you!


*waits with baited breath....yes, baited*


ETA: You can't break tradition!

[Inziladun]

As the dwindling group spent their fourth day in the desolate house, their discussions became more heated.

The decision this day was that Eomer would be the next to go.

He surveyed his accusers silently, seeming to size them up. Then he shrugged his shoulders and walked into the chamber.

"Well, what's the year"? asked skip.

"Let's send him someplace interesting," said Sally. "How about the fourteenth century? Great Plague, wars, he'll find something to do."

"Ok by me", said Lottie.

Nerwen set the year for 1325, then pushed the center button.

"Nooo! I'm innocent!" Came Eomer's voice from inside the chamber. Then silence.

The party slowly made their way to the window in the chamber. Hardly daring to breathe, they peeked inside. Suddenly Eomer's face leaped out at them as he pressed against the glass. One eye had revolved into his head to show the white, and smoke poured from his mouth and ears.

"AUUGHTTRRRR!" the malfunctioning robot screamed. It reached a trembling hand toward them in frustration, then abruptly collapsed.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
skip
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4

IT IS NIGHT 5. Remaining wolf and Seer send your picks.

[Inziladun]

With a start skip woke up suddenly. Where was he? The large room was dark, lit only by flashing control panel lights from a machine in the center of the room. Then it came to him: he was in the old dining room of a house in the English countryside standing near a time machine.

What, was I sleepwalking? He thought. It had been a long time since he'd done that. And now coming back to him was the dream he'd just had, a dream of one of the people in this house being a soulless killer.

The last one! he said to himself. How would he go about telling the others? All they had to do was get rid of this one and they'd be free to await the opening of the door to the outside in peace.

"What are you doing?" said a voice behind him. Turning, he beheld a shadowy form by the door leading to the stairs. He knew who it was: the very one he'd just dreamed of.

"You." said skip flatly "I know what you are."

"What am I?" asked the newcomer.

"You're the last of those robots. I've had dreams while I've been here; dreams about the people in this house. I know they've been true."

"That doesn't matter now," it said. "I'm afraid your dreaming days are over." It slowly, but implacably began walking toward him.

"What are you going to do?" asked skip. "Put me in the freezer? Kill me with footwear?"

"Oh, no. I don't want to get repetitive".

"What do you mean by that?" said skip. trying to keep the thing talking.

"That's right, you don't know. You see, my companions and I were originally sent here to see what that looney "professor" was up to now and put a stop to it. But then we got thinking: all this here would make a great movie on its own. We've been recording everything that's happened here. And when I get back, it all gets downloaded, and there's your next summer blockbuster. Maybe Brad Pitt will play you!" It laughed.

On one side of the room was a long-disused fireplace, with the associated tools still waiting in a rusty stand. The robot, as it passed the fireplace, picked up a poker and began to slap it against its palm thoughtfully.

Though skip had been looking around himself for weapons, he saw nothing he could reach before the thing got to him.

"You're a fan of Lord of the Rings, aren't you skip?" it asked. "Remember what happened to Frodo in the Mines of Moria?"

Before skip had a chance to say anything, the fiend, in the blink of an eye, hurled the poker at his chest like a spear.

Slowly, skip fell to his knees. He tried, with rapidly ebbing strength, to remove the poker embedded in his sternum, but succeeded not at all.

"Forgot your mithril coat, I see," it chuckled. "What a shame."

As skip's vision began to darken, he thought only of his housemates, and hoped he'd been able to help them enough to get them through this.

The Living
Nerwen
Pitch
Sally
Lottie
Agan

The Dead
Professor Inzil (mod) Head full of knowledge cracked open Night 1
The Elf-warrior (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Fried like foil in a microwave Day 1
Shasta (ordo)- Made into a Shastacicle Night 2
Wilwa (ordo)- Found her big chance to get away from it all Day 2.
Boro (Ranger)- Learned to stop worrying and love the brick Night 3
Greenie (ordo)- Off to have fun with the Normans Day 3
Fea (ordo)- A victim of her own fashion sense (and some murderous robots) Night 4
Eomer (Robot Killer) (wolf)- Done to a turn Day 4
skip (Seer)- "Skewered like a wild boar" Night 5

Day 5 HAS BEGUN

[satansaloser2005]

My darling Skip:

Humble apologies. I picked up on your seer hints AGES ago and, of course, only suspected you to keep the wolves from....well, doing what they just did. However, I obviously could have been a bit more forthcoming with a fake seer act or something before 10 minutes pre-DL yesterDay, because that just may have helped. I was hoping that I'd be able to let things play out and just hop onto Eomer (or whomever, for that matter, but he was of course my first choice) at the end of the Day, but that quickly became impossible, and I should have just come out at that point, but NO, I didn't. I know, I'm a bit of a thickhead, but I shall avenge you.

Yours truly and in innocence,

Sally

[Loslote]

Sally, if you've picked up on Seer hints, did you pick up on who he hinted? If not, I'll go look through his posts; hopefully he left something.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Sally, if you've picked up on Seer hints, did you pick up on who he hinted? If not, I'll go look through his posts; hopefully he left something.

I'll go look later on, but right now I have a major neck ache (and I have to be at work earlier than usual, so I may just go to bed in an hour or so). Sorry.

[Loslote]

I went through Skip's posts looking for Seer hints, and it looks like he might have dream of TEWie Night 1.

Originally Posted by skip spence

[*highlight]++Wilwa[/highlight]

This says that he did not dream of a wolf Night 2.

Originally Posted by skip spence

I'm pretty good about Boro, Lottie and Fea.

So he almost certainly dreamed of one of us three. I don't think he dreamed of Boro, because then they'd have been able to pm, and I didn't see any evidence for that. I don't think he dreamed of me because of later comments. Thus, I think he probably dreamed of Fea. Besides, dreaming of her would make sense.

The next Day he says:

Originally Posted by skip spence

but there's just something about the situation that makes me think that there were no wolves among the Wilwa-voters.

This speaks pretty strongly for Nerwen or Greenie as the next Night's dream.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Lottie voted for Eomer for pretty suspect reasons. It was mostly mine and his comments about her alterered playing-style that did it I think. She also made a fairly obvious gifted hint, as someone else pointed out, yet lived through the night. On the other hand, her decisive role in killing off Wolf-warrior speaks for her.

Fea didn't vote which isn't too reassuring, but I'm not overly worried about her at this point.

This, again, speaks for him dreaming Fea, not me.

The next Day:

Originally Posted by skip spence

And I tell you this much: I wouldn't lynch you.

This speaks very strongly for Nerwen's innocence. Combined with other indications that he'd dreamed her last Night, things are looking very good for Nerwen.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Any support going after Pitch?

This suggests that he didn't know about Eomer yet. Was his Seer-hinting towards Eomer a bluff? Or had he dreamed of Pitchie earlier and found him guilty? Or did he just suspect Pitchie? The fact that he backed off quickly when he read Pitchie's reasons for not being around yesterDay suggests that he just suspected him.

Originally Posted by skip spence

I'm not really into lynching Sally either at this point.

...

Don't think Agan is one either.

This speaks somewhat well for Sally and Agan, but I don't think he could have dreamed of both of them, so I think these statements rested purely on his own ideas, not on dreams.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Will have a look at Lottie and Eomer though...

Again, clearly he did not dream me.

Originally Posted by skip spence

One thing is clear: Lottie AND Eomer aren't both wolves. Unless I'm tripping...

Just pointing this out. It doesn't mean much to me, because I'm rather sure he didn't dream me, but this does indicate that he didn't dream me and find me guilty.

Originally Posted by skip spence

It's either he, Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

True, Eomer hasn't been caught with his pants down but be that as it may, I think he's our best bet to get a wolf at this point. Not an easy lynch mind you, but if you ask me, a necessary one.

So...was he bluffing or not? I don't think he was, but this doesn't look too certain. Also, that earlier bit says that he dreamed of Agan, me, or Pitchie last Night, because he wouldn't have dreamed of someone he didn't suspect. This all but clears Nerwen and Sally, since we know he dreamed of the last wolf. From what he said at the end of yesterDay, and from Agan's insistance that we lynch Skip, I'd guess that he dreamed of Agan, and that she's our last wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Indeed.

Agan, what do you think of the fact that Skip just voted Eomer?

EDIT:X'd since last post.

Lottie, what do you think of the fact that Nerwen said this to Agan?




Seriously though, I was terrified for a moment that I'd misjudged and that Nerwen and Agan were the wolves, about to jump onto Lottie and end the game. Of course Agan had already voted, but I was still paranoid for a bit.


Nerwen, what's going on here?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie, what do you think of the fact that Nerwen said this to Agan?




Seriously though, I was terrified for a moment that I'd misjudged and that Nerwen and Agan were the wolves, about to jump onto Lottie and end the game. Of course Agan had already voted, but I was still paranoid for a bit.


Nerwen, what's going on here?

Honestly, I'm not reading much into it. It could be that Nerwen's the cobber, and had figured out that Agan was a wolf - which would still fit in with the probability that Skip dreamed her and found her innocent - or she could be an ordo who happened to trust Agan. Up until the very end of yesterDay, so did I, so I can hardly blame her for it.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Sally

Nerwen, what's going on here?

Agan was pushing heavily for skip being the cobbler. Then he voted the leading wolf-suspect– which was hardly the most obvious thing for a cobbler to do.

EDIT: typo.

[Aganzir]

Aieeee I totally screwed this up. I'm sorry skip!

Originally Posted by Lottie

Was his Seer-hinting towards Eomer a bluff? Or had he dreamed of Pitchie earlier and found him guilty?

If he had dreamed of two wolves, he would have come out yesterday.

Originally Posted by Lottie

From what he said at the end of yesterDay, and from Agan's insistance that we lynch Skip, I'd guess that he dreamed of Agan, and that she's our last wolf.

Trust me Lottie, if I was a wolf, I so totally wouldn't try to lynch the one I thought was the cobbler when his survival would've meant we win - especially as there were several people who said we shouldn't waste our time looking for the cobbler. I would have gone after somebody there was at least a decent chance to lynch, for example you. Aganwolf would have said: "He's probably the cobbler but let's not worry about him right now, let's try to get a wolf instead!" Just ask Nerwen.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Also, that earlier bit says that he dreamed of Agan, me, or Pitchie last Night, because he wouldn't have dreamed of someone he didn't suspect.

It does indeed look like he dreamed of Nerwen, but I don't think we can say for sure he didn't suspect, ie. didn't dream of sally last night. It's a dangerous assumption; who knows if he had been reading through the thread during the night and noticed something suspicious that prompted him to dream sally? I'm not saying that's the case, it's just a bit too simple to exclude her because of a single comment.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Agan was pushing heavily for skip being the cobbler. Then he voted the leading wolf-suspect– which was hardly the most obvious thing for a cobbler to do.

Exactly... I was surprised when he did it and began to have second thoughts, but I was still rather convinced he was the cobbler.

I'll go through skip's posts too (at this point of the game, it isn't safe to trust somebody else's judgement :-p), and I'm also planning to take a look at Eomer's interaction with people. One thing is sure, though - the wolves had really decided to sacrifice him if need be, given that each and every one of us had been going after him to an extent.

[Aganzir]

Day 1: skip doesn't really say anything definite about anyone (it's mostly just banter), but his reasons for voting EW look so forced that it seems he dreamed of a wolf and tried to come up with a decent explanation to vote for him. Difficult, given that he had just made one post.

Day 2: He analyses day 1's voting. While he doesn't say anything conclusive about anyone, he semi-defends Fea by writing of those who voted for her in suspicious-ish light. He marks, though, that even her vote for EW or EW's for her don't clear her. The other two people he felt better about were Lottie and Boro for their votes that sealed EW's fate. It could be said it points to a Fea dream, but then there's this:

Originally Posted by Boro

Like for instance, today I'm feeling far more trusting of Skip today than yesterday.

To me it looks like there's something to it. They couldn't afford to be blatantly friendly with each other because otherwise the wolves would've noticed it, but I think he could have dreamed of Boro.

Day 3: He suggests there were no wolves among the wilwa-voters, ie. Nerwen and Greenie are innocent. Now, he couldn't have dreamed of them both on night 3, and he didn't treat either of them like a known innocent earlier. He is semi-suspicious of Eomer, Lottie and Pitch, isn't too worried about Fea, thinks I am rather cobblerish, and is very concerned about sally (whom she voted for). I think he could have dreamed of either Nerwen (innocent), Greenie or Fea. However, it's really weird he makes such a case of no wolf having voted for wilwa because he obviously couldn't have known it for sure...

Day 4: He tells Nerwen he wouldn't lynch her, pretty much saying "she's innocent". It would be rather dumb of him to say that without having dreamed of her. He considers voting for Pitch, saying it looked like he and I were trying to frame him, but he didn't think I was a wolf. His dreaming of me might explain why he was so reluctant to reply to my points against him.

Originally Posted by skip

I expect that Lottie would reveal if she's the Seer with a positive on Eomer. That would be the wise thing to do at this point.

So does this mean he hadn't dreamed of Eomer?
He considered voting Eomer, me or Lottie (because Pitch was unavailable). It's pretty certain he hadn't dreamed of sally - he talks so little of her.

Based on this, I'd suggest the following:
Night 1 - EW
Night 2 - Boro (maybe Fea)
Night 3 - Greenie (maybe Nerwen or Fea)
Night 4 - Nerwen (maybe Eomer or me)
Night 5 - could be anybody

Of course it's also possible he dreamed of somebody the night they died and we have therefore no evidence... But at least Nerwen's innocence shouldn't be a question.

[Nerwen]

Trust me Lottie, if I was a wolf, I so totally wouldn't try to lynch the one I thought was the cobbler when his survival would've meant we win

Yes, but only if Wolf of the Rohirrim survived too– and I'd say you'd have had to work pretty hard to get anyone else lynched at that point.

[satansaloser2005]

Shhhh. I'm not really here. *sneaks* Vewwy vewwy quiet, hunting wolves, etc.

Anyway, I have to point this out, because I find it relevant.

Originally Posted by Skippity, speaking of possible wolves

It's either [Eomer], Agan or Lottie (disregarding Pitch as I'd feel terrible lynching him)...

From this we can conclude the following....

Dreamed Innocent (if at all)
Nerwen
Sally

Dreamed Guilty (if at all)
Agan
Lottie

It's unclear what Pitch's dream result would have been, as he's place with the possible wolves but disregarded in the same sentence (albeit with a meta excuse) so I'm not sure what Skip was trying to say about him there.

And of course the cobbler will turn up as innocent, so it's possible that Nerwen (or myself, for the benefit of argument) could be the cobbler.

Still, from that, if we're basing toDay's lynch on Skip's words, we should lynch Agan, Pitch, or Lottie.

I'll repeat myself (and Skip, for that matter) and say that Lottie and Eomer aren't fellows. Thus my lynch vote toDay must go to either Agan or Pitchie, with Nerwen as a far-off third.

Also, I have the crazy yet insanely plausible theory that I've been wrong about Agan all along, and that she's just the cobbler. Otherwise that would be some INTENSELY obvious wolvery from her, what with the cobbler-killing and all. Besides, I think Agan's more than clever enough to have picked up on Skippity's earlier hints, hence her desire to lynch him. (Not to say that no one else could have picked up on his hints, mind, but she's the one trying to lynch him, so it makes sense.) I'll have to think about it and come to my final conclusion on her.

Unfortunately, we can't afford to give Pitch a pass toDay even with his family circumstances, so if he doesn't return I don't want to see anyone using that as an excuse to let him pass. (By the same token, I don't want to attack him. It's just that letting him live based on meta circumstances is not the most prudent game move at this juncture. I think he would understand.)

EDIT: x'd with Nerwen

[Aganzir]

Eomer on others:

There might be a wolf in the EWagon (the only one alive: LOTTIE). No opinion on Lottie at first, but finds her inoffensive and careful later. Half-accuses Greenie of trying to manipulate people to vote for wilwa instead of Lottie. Doesn't think the lynch choice should be narrowed down to either wilwa or Lottie. Pretty suspicious of Lottie, and willing to kill her (if Greenie turns out innocent). Loslote being a pretty obvious seer? Feels worse about her than anyone else (except sally, but would rather lynch Lottie).

NERWEN is twisting wilwa's words. Mostly agrees with her and wants her alive. Could go either way, and her vote for wilwa looks better than Greenie's. Suggests Nerwen is the cobbler (he's confused if the cobbler's role is revealed on death). Usually worried about Nerwen.

Shasta's death might point to PITCH. Can't get a read on him. Probably innocent. Not as worried about him as about everybody else, probably because doesn't know him so well.

Shasta's death might point to SALLY. She appears like a cobbler (as always), and looks wrong to him (as always). Unfair with her suspicion of him, and looks like a wolf under pressure. His other most suspicious person (besides Lottie). She looks evil, not the least because of pressing that either Eomer or Greenie has to be a wolf. Feels worse about her than anyone else (except Lottie, but thinks a sally lynch might get more support).

Others on Eomer:

PITCHWIFE finds Eomer's day 1 vote hasty but sees where he's coming from. Suggests Eomer was accusing Lottie subtly of her changed playing style. Finds Eomer the most suspicious. Votes for Eomer, and if his vote hadn't come right after the deadline, it would've killed him. Finds Eomer's unrelenting crusade against Greenie puzzling. Thinks either Eomer or Greenie is a wolf but votes for skip who looks like the cobbler.

NERWEN thinks Eomer is possibly a wolf, but his vendetta against the EW-voters might be foolhardy for a wolf. Questions Eomer for suggesting the cobbler's role isn't revealed on death. Explains to Eomer why it's possible skip is the cobbler. Plans to vote for either Eomer or skip. Votes for Eomer, but it's basically a throwaway because his fate had already been sealed.

LOSLOTE considers voting for Eomer or EW on day 1 for being quiet (quite bold of her if she's a wolf). Thinks Eomer looks decent. No read on Eomer, but his exchange with skip about Lottie's "changed" playing style is suspicious. Votes him for being vague and noncommittal. Eomer is suspicious for giving a throwaway vote for Greenie which looks like he just wanted to clear his hands from a bandwagon against the innocent wilwa. Suggests Eomer's crusade against the EW voters is a double-bluff. Wants to lynch Eomer when Greenie turned out innocent. Wonders why Eomer didn't night-kill her if he honestly thought she was the seer. Votes for Eomer. Eomer dies.

SALLY thinks Eomer is alright. Eomer's cases are flimsy but he could also be an overeager ordo.

Of course if he's lynched and is another wolf, I'll be epically cross, so for the sake of not semi-defending two wolves, I have to agree that he looks bad.

This really looks quite bad for sally...
Lists Eomer as guilty. Claims later she was going to vote for him, but she failed to show up and wilwa died instead. Feels bad about Eomer because of his vote for Green, but Greenie is her other top suspect. Votes for Greenie. The next day, wants to lynch Eomer or me. She's very much against going after the cobbler. She has very little concrete evidence that points to Eomer's guilt, it's rather just feelings. Votes for Eomer and pretends to be the seer who had dreamed of him.

Conclusions: Interestingly enough, his interaction with Nerwen looks the most wolfish... You know, keeping a distance to her and not saying anything concrete about her. But then, skip's posts pretty much clear her.
I feel quite good about Pitch because his vote would have killed Eomer if it had come a bit earlier, and while it's possible he was trying to lynch his fellow to make himself look better, I think he would have made a bigger show out of it to maximise the profits. Plus, if he had really wanted to clear himself by killing Eomer, he wouldn't have voted for skip (the suspected cobbler) the day before yesterday.
Eomer's relationship with Lottie and sally is interesting. He went after them both the same way, and it really seems improbable that he would have done that to a fellow... But he'd been suspected quite heavily, so it would kind of make sense to attack a fellow very hard so when one dies, at least the other looks better. Wouldn't be the first time that happens. But it's not just him who's being weird. They both attack him with very vague reasons while being totally sure of his guilt - and the certainty is sure to make them look better when Eomer turns out to be a wolf. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was our last wolf... probably sally. After all, we can't try to find the last one based on who's gone after Eomer and who hasn't - everybody has been doing that.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, but only if Wolf of the Rohirrim survived too– and I'd say you'd have had to work pretty hard to get anyone else lynched at that point.

It would have made much more sense for me to attack Lottie or sally, the ones who were the most suspicious of Eomer, and turn their suspicion against them.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

From this we can conclude the following....

Which isn't much of a conclusion. It just means he felt good enough about you not to consider voting for you, and bad enough of the rest of us to consider voting for us. We can't figure out his dreams based on a single comment.

it's possible that Nerwen (or myself, for the benefit of argument) could be the cobbler.

Exactly. We still have the cobbler, and if we don't lynch either her or the last wolf today, they win tomorrow... Only I was epically wrong about skip, and now I have no idea who the cobbler might be.

I'll repeat myself (and Skip, for that matter) and say that Lottie and Eomer aren't fellows.

It might be probable, but we can't afford to make such bold assumptions today. It's clear skip didn't dream of Lottie, and it isn't even certain he dreamed of Eomer. When it comes to people he didn't dream, he's just another villager. Innocent, perhaps, but he doesn't know anything more than we others.

Besides, I think Agan's more than clever enough to have picked up on Skippity's earlier hints, hence her desire to lynch him.

I only picked up cobbler hints. If I was a wolf and thought he was the cobbler, I wouldn't have tried to lynch him. If I was a wolf and thought he was the seer, he would've died a bit earlier. As it happens, I'm innocent and thought he was the cobbler.

See you later.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Agan

Eomer's relationship with Lottie and sally is interesting. He went after them both the same way, and it really seems improbable that he would have done that to a fellow... But he'd been suspected quite heavily, so it would kind of make sense to attack a fellow very hard so when one dies, at least the other looks better. Wouldn't be the first time that happens. But it's not just him who's being weird. They both attack him with very vague reasons while being totally sure of his guilt - and the certainty is sure to make them look better when Eomer turns out to be a wolf.

Yes, and it is rather weird how sure they were, even though he had been suspicious– yet, it seems like a very gratuitous bit of wolf-on-wolfing. Sally, was the one heavily pushing the idea that Greenie's innocence would prove Eomer's guilt, while Lottie practically dragged him to the gallows. Recall that all Wolf 3 had to do yesterDay was keep Eomer and the cobbler alive.

With you and Pitch, though, there's your Day 2 votes on Eomer, either of which might easily have killed him.

Of course, we know that wolf-on-wolfing of some kind happened, because everyone now living has accused and/or voted Eomer at some point.

So: "When you have eliminated the impossible..." Except not quite, because none of this is completely impossible. But I'd say– subject to revision– that the least improbable explanation is that you, Agan, are the cobbler, and Pitch is Wolf 3. If you made up your mind skip wasn't a wolf, you'd naturally want to steer the lynch his way, which you were trying to do yesterDay and the Day before. Meanwhile, on Day 2, you gave no strong indication you'd vote Eomer:

Originally Posted by Agan

I could go for sally, or maybe Lottie or even Eomer

So a Pitchwolf might have decided it was worth taking the risk of making a late wolf-on-wolf vote. His vote crossed with DL, and thus with yours.

That's my best-fit scenario at the moment.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Night 5 - could be anybody

I don't think it could have been anybody. Look at the very end of yesterDay. Sally got way into supporting Skip there at the end. I don't think it's within the realm of possibility that he dreamed of her after that. Far more likely that he dreamed of one of the people he suspected.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes, and it is rather weird how sure they were, even though he had been suspicious– yet, it seems like a very gratuitous bit of wolf-on-wolfing. Sally, was the one heavily pushing the idea that Greenie's innocence would prove Eomer's guilt, while Lottie practically dragged him to the gallows. Recall that all Wolf 3 had to do yesterDay was keep Eomer and the cobbler alive.

I just wanted to say, this gave me a mental image of Sally pushing and me dragging Eomer to the gallows, him dragging his feet and protesting the whole way. Hilarious.

So: "When you have eliminated the impossible..." Except not quite, because none of this is completely impossible. But I'd say– subject to revision– that the least improbable explanation is that you, Agan, are the cobbler, and Pitch is Wolf 3. If you made up your mind skip wasn't a wolf, you'd naturally want to steer the lynch his way, which you were trying to do yesterDay and the Day before. Meanwhile, on Day 2, you gave no strong indication you'd vote Eomer:

This makes a lot of sense to me. Pitchie did turn into Mr. Agreeable partway through the game, and even at the beginning, he wasn't very aggressive.

Also, [whisper]I'm not really here.[/whisper]

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Recall that all Wolf 3 had to do yesterDay was keep Eomer and the cobbler alive.

That's true, but in the end it comes down to whether they wanted to do it the quicker & riskier way, or the slower & safer. Eomer was suspected so heavily, it's hard to tell if the wolves found trying to keep him alive worth the risk - especially with the seer still around who, for all they knew, might have dreamed of one of them.

If you made up your mind skip wasn't a wolf, you'd naturally want to steer the lynch his way, which you were trying to do yesterDay and the Day before. Meanwhile, on Day 2, you gave no strong indication you'd vote Eomer:

I was pretty sure he wasn't a wolf but I was nearly positive he was the cobbler. What is obvious in hindsight but never crossed my mind while he was still alive was that he was purposefully dropping cobbler hints so the wolves wouldn't attack him. As for Eomer, I figured my chances of saving wilwa were the best if I voted for him because both sally and Pitch had said they could do it, and I really didn't want wilwa to die. If Pitch had just been trying to make himself look better, I would've expected him to continue pursuing Eomer later. Of course I might be wrong, of course it's possible they were wolves together and decided to try to keep alive, but to me it makes more sense that the last wolf tried to make as much as possible out of Eomer's demise. Gah I wish Pitch were here (but I understand if he can't make it)...

Originally Posted by Loslote

I don't think it's within the realm of possibility that he dreamed of her after that. Far more likely that he dreamed of one of the people he suspected.

Logically, yes. But the thing is, we can't know what crossed his mind while reading the thread during the night. I am okay with drawing conclusions about his dreams from his posts, but I'm not ready to presume he didn't dream of somebody just because he didn't suspect her at the end of the day. And I don't know what to make of it that everybody seems to be pressing it... I'm really not too fond of Lottie at the moment, but I don't know why she'd be defending sally, either, if she's a wolf... Unless she thinks sally is the cobbler - it could also be the other way round though. Argh.

Pitchie did turn into Mr. Agreeable partway through the game, and even at the beginning, he wasn't very aggressive.

What's this thing with Mr. Agreeable? Is he always very agreeable as a wolf?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by sally

Unfortunately, we can't afford to give Pitch a pass toDay even with his family circumstances, so if he doesn't return I don't want to see anyone using that as an excuse to let him pass. (By the same token, I don't want to attack him. It's just that letting him live based on meta circumstances is not the most prudent game move at this juncture. I think he would understand.

Don't worry, I do of course understand and I wouldn't expect anything else. But I'm here now and will be (although maybe intermittently) for the next couple of hours.

As for skip, blargh, I misread him totally. Anyway, he did a good job ridding us of two wolves. RIP.
I'd have preferred for him to be alive toDay and explain what exactly those shadowy and suspicious activities of mine were that he referred to yesterDay. One thing I know is that he hadn't dreamed me, because I happen not to be a wolf; but even if I were, he couldn't, because of this:

Originally Posted by toDay's narration

What, was I sleepwalking? He thought. It had been a long time since he'd done that. And now coming back to him was the dream he'd just had, a dream of one of the people in this house being a soulless killer.

The last one! he said to himself. How would he go about telling the others? All they had to do was get rid of this one and they'd be free to await the opening of the door to the outside in peace.

Unless I'm completely mis- or overinterpreting this, it says that skip dreamed the last wolf last Night just before he was killed, not earlier.

As for who our last wolf could be - at first glance I'd say Agan doesn't look too good now, except I've no idea what to make of her D2 vote for Eomer if it's her. But as to the following:

I only picked up cobbler hints. If I was a wolf and thought he was the cobbler, I wouldn't have tried to lynch him. If I was a wolf and thought he was the seer, he would've died a bit earlier. As it happens, I'm innocent and thought he was the cobbler.

Apart from the obligatory "I wouldn't do this if I was a wolf", what if you'd thought he was neither cobbler nor seer but just an ordo who happened to behave sufficiently cobblerish to make a tasty lynch?

But with the village shrunk to this size, I'm past blindly trusting anybody.

And by the way:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Pitchie did turn into Mr. Agreeable partway through the game

Would you mind giving some evidence? Otherwise this looks just like a standard prefab reason-to-suspect-Pitch-whatever-he-is. It's getting stale.