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10-12-2017, 05:01 PM | #1 |
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A better purpose for the ghost army in ROTK
I loved ROTK, but was mad about how weak the gondorian soldiers were portrayed, and how rushed the battle of Minas Tirith was concluded. Beregond should have been present in the movie, along with the Swan Knights. They should have been the reinforcement Aragorn brought with him.
I would have taken the liberty to having Sauron command the wraiths in Barrow Downs, to come forth and starting attacking the armies in Pelennor Fields. Then, in the nick of time the ghost army can arrive and destroy the wraiths. Last edited by Victariongreyjoy; 10-13-2017 at 08:24 AM. |
10-13-2017, 05:39 AM | #2 | |
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I can forgive PJ for not introducing yet another character (Beregond), but I would really have loved to see the nights of Dol Amroth. However to introduce the Barrow Wights (Characters not previously introduced) at a random place and time seems outright silly. |
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10-13-2017, 07:53 AM | #3 |
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Surely it would have made more sense to have not included the Dead at all, and simply to have had Aragorn arrive with boatloads of reinforcements. Not as much of a spectacle, but it wouldn't induce a plot hole the way the film does by having them at the Pelennor.
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10-13-2017, 09:00 AM | #4 | |
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10-13-2017, 10:06 AM | #5 |
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I think having the arrival of Elrond's two sons, some Rangers and Dol Amroth would have been very confusing to casual movie goers.
PJ originally wanted the Dead to be walking skeletons but later went to invincible undead ghost army. I can also understand the under powering of the Gondorian soldiers-if they are portrayed as too strong(10 orcs for one Gondorian) the audience will struggle to take the threat seriously. As for the gate-the deleted scene shows the orcs do try and use a conventional ram and get massacred for their trouble and so they bring in grond. After that Mordor uses the Olog hai quite sensibly as shock troops to shatter the Gondorian line in the courtyard and gate area. I love the movie too but that's my take. |
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EXT. PELENNOR FIELDS - DAY PAN OFF: DENETHOR'S DEATH PLUNGE to the ROHIRRIM gaining the upper hand - VAST NUMBERS of ORCS are SLAIN, or are FLEEING! EOMER Drive them into the river! THEODEN STANDS PROUD in his saddle, YELLING to his ROHIRRIM! THEODEN (yelling) Make safe the city! CLOSE ON: THEODEN . . . his look of JOY turns to HORROR! ANGLE ON: Across the VAST SEA of BATTLE come ... . . . Hordes of sinister BARROW-WIGHTS! ANGLE ON: ROHIRRIM RIDERS PANICKING. ANGLE ON: MERRY and EOWYN. MERRY Oh no! I think those are Barrow-wights! EOWYN (struggling to control her horse) Barrow what? MERRY Barrow-wights. Evil spirits that haunt the ancient burial hills near the Shire. Not that I've ever been there myself, but we were at one point considering taking a short cut in that general direction- THEODEN (sword raised) ... Charge! ANGLE ON: ROHIRRIM RIDERS CHARGE TOWARDS THE LINE OF WIGHTS! EOWYN Yes, yes, that's very interesting, Merry, but what are they doing here? Has the Dark Lord summoned them? MERRY Probably. I mean they might work for him, for all I know. It's not like I've ever actually met one before-! The WIGHTS overwhelm the PANICKING ROHIRRIM! EOWYN and MERRY are THROWN from their HORSE... There! Seamless!
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11-05-2017, 11:11 AM | #7 | |
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11-05-2017, 10:50 PM | #8 |
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I think overall the Pelennor fields battle worked on screen. Introducing the swan Knights and Imrahil would have confused movie audiences.
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11-08-2017, 03:03 AM | #9 | |
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I am actually quite fond of the passage in the book where Pippin and Bergil watch the reinforcements arrive. It gives the reader an idea of the structure of the Gondorian state, but also a sense of the peril and hopeless situation of Minas Tirith. Last edited by Rune Son of Bjarne; 11-09-2017 at 02:20 AM. |
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11-08-2017, 08:39 PM | #10 | |
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In fact, I think Jackson minimized the abilities and heroism of Gondorions, making them for the most part gibbering idiots and cowards. Even outnumbered as they were, one tall Gondorion was more than a match for any single orc, yet often we see the orcs overrunning Gondorions and defeating them single-handedly.
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11-10-2017, 11:31 PM | #11 | |
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11-16-2017, 02:58 AM | #12 |
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By including a scene where Bergil and Pipin watch the reinforcements arrive...
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03-06-2019, 10:54 AM | #13 | |
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Unless somehow he could squeeze in (out?) a fart joke. Then he might give it a try. Seriously: PJ hasn't the least bloody idea how to do a gradual suspense buildup. His attitude is like a hooker's: maximize the number of climaxes per hour.
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