Uruk-Hai - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thengal · 01-14-2004, 02:25 PM

Are Uruks just the creation of Sarumon or did Sauron have them to? I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere that a race of larger orcs called Uruks came to Mordor some time before the war. Also, is there any difference in calling them Uruks or Uruk-Hai?

Legolas · 01-14-2004, 03:07 PM

Saruman's Uruk-hai creation is a misconception caused by the movie. He bred orcs and golbin-men, but Sauron had beat him to the sun-resistant orcs. In the Black Speech, "Uruk" simply means orc, but it is almost always used in reference to the Uruk-hai. Certainly so when speaking of these larger orcs.

This is a fairly basic, often-asked question. Moving to N&N.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:16 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Legolas ]

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 01-14-2004, 04:06 PM

this is oft asked.

i am almost sure that "uruk-hai' simply means 'orc-folk', and as such could refer to any orcs. this is linquistically true, but it might not be in practice...

Gil-Galad · 01-14-2004, 04:24 PM

Sauron took Osgiliath with "Black Uruk's of Mordor" but then Boromir go it back

Grimkû the Blood-Axe · 01-17-2004, 06:18 AM

Also on the topic of orcs, during the ROTK movie when Frodo has been bitten by Shelob and is being held captive in one of the towers in Mordor a fight breaks out. It seems that the fight has arisen between an Uruk-Hai and an Orc. The Uruk kills the orc (i think) and then there is a large fight on the lower levels between the beasts. Is this fight between Orcs and Uruk-Hai? Or is it simply a all in brawl.

symestreem · 01-17-2004, 07:59 AM

Uruks, I believe, were large trolls. In RotK, the orcs were of different "companies"- some were of Minas Morgul, and some were from Barad-dur. They didn't trust each other, and so they started a civil war over a shirt of mail.

Elassar 516 · 01-17-2004, 01:58 PM

I believe there was a breed of trolls known as the Olag-Hai in the Return of the King but Uruks were definitely orcs.

01-14-2004, 02:25 PM	#1
Thengal Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 63	Uruk-Hai Are Uruks just the creation of Sarumon or did Sauron have them to? I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere that a race of larger orcs called Uruks came to Mordor some time before the war. Also, is there any difference in calling them Uruks or Uruk-Hai?

01-14-2004, 03:07 PM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Saruman's Uruk-hai creation is a misconception caused by the movie. He bred orcs and golbin-men, but Sauron had beat him to the sun-resistant orcs. In the Black Speech, "Uruk" simply means orc, but it is almost always used in reference to the Uruk-hai. Certainly so when speaking of these larger orcs. This is a fairly basic, often-asked question. Moving to N&N. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:16 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-14-2004, 04:06 PM	#3
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	this is oft asked. i am almost sure that "uruk-hai' simply means 'orc-folk', and as such could refer to any orcs. this is linquistically true, but it might not be in practice... __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

01-14-2004, 04:24 PM	#4
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Sauron took Osgiliath with "Black Uruk's of Mordor" but then Boromir go it back __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-17-2004, 06:18 AM	#5
Grimkû the Blood-Axe Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 28	Also on the topic of orcs, during the ROTK movie when Frodo has been bitten by Shelob and is being held captive in one of the towers in Mordor a fight breaks out. It seems that the fight has arisen between an Uruk-Hai and an Orc. The Uruk kills the orc (i think) and then there is a large fight on the lower levels between the beasts. Is this fight between Orcs and Uruk-Hai? Or is it simply a all in brawl. __________________ The end comes, drums, drums in the deep...they are coming. Grimkû the Blood-Axe - Talented Ringwraith.

01-17-2004, 07:59 AM	#6
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Uruks, I believe, were large trolls. In RotK, the orcs were of different "companies"- some were of Minas Morgul, and some were from Barad-dur. They didn't trust each other, and so they started a civil war over a shirt of mail. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-17-2004, 01:58 PM	#7
Elassar 516 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sailing into the West...I wish Posts: 58	I believe there was a breed of trolls known as the Olag-Hai in the Return of the King but Uruks were definitely orcs.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode