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12-23-2013, 07:45 PM | #1 |
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Elves and the Elements
I may be thinking of non-canonical references here, but I seem to recall that elves aren't affected by the elements like the other races are(?).
So, this quote from The Silmarillion: Of the Flight of the Noldor: "Therefore Feanor halted and the Noldor debated what course they should now take. But they began to suffer anguish from the cold, and the clinging mists through which no gleam of star could pierce; and many repented of the road and began to murmur, especially those that followed Fingolfin, cursing Feanor, and naming him as the cause of all the woes of the Eldar."tells me that either the elves were affected by the elements, or that the level of cold in Helcaraxë goes up to 11. Any thoughts?
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12-23-2013, 08:14 PM | #2 | |
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Mind you, fanon tends to attribute all kinds of random special powers and Mary-Sue-Race traits to Tolkien’s Elves anyway, so maybe it’s just another example of that.
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12-23-2013, 09:31 PM | #3 |
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I think the Elves were the most resistant to elemental factors, as well as physical injury. Several First Age instances, such as the amputation of Maedhros's hand, and the fact that Beleg of Doriath was the sole survivor of the battle on Amon Rûdh, would seem to bear that out.
Interestingly, in the passage about Legolas's shoes cited by Nerwen it is also noted that Legolas didn't make much imprint in the snow. I wonder if the unique nature of the closeness of the Elves to the natural world, as they are "tied" to Arda, would account for that, giving them a certain immunity from physical pain and discomfort.
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I suppose that the crossing is another one of those parts of The Silmarillion that I wish Tolkien would have written more about.
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Elves had greater control over their bodies which were hardier than Men's especially so as time went on.
It is said in Morgoth's Ring that, "in their earlier days death came more readily; for their bodies were less different from the bodies of men, and the command of their spirits over their bodies less complete." [p. 218] The dominance their spirits had over their bodies increased through time and they became a memory held by their spirits, they became deathless. The Elves seemed to be nevertheless effected by different elements in Arda, like those introduced by Morgoth, such as death absent of violence to their physical bodies, see Míriel.
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