Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Thinlómien]

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Little Cindy Lou Who exactly. Hasn't been around.

Shasta - Jack Frost
Has probably frozen so can't type.

G55 - Rudolph
Already making apologies and excuses. How furry! Oh, I guess reindeer have furs... or do you call them pelts? Hides?

Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Never played with him/her before. Only saw Bêthberry asking on Facebook who admits playing werewolf under the name Coppermirror on the 'downs. I assume this means I have to be wary.

Steve - Valkotukka
If we had a werebear in the village, I know where I'd be pointing at.

Morsul - The Grinch
I remember why he always instantly makes my alarm bells ring. Trying to ignore it as well as I can...

Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Her PT doesn't really match with her words.

Zil - Frosty
A pity it's holiday season so he's not playing ww on his work time. Other than that, nothing to say.

Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer
Sending fishy coded messages in reindeer speech - lynch him!

McCaber - Tiny Tim
Didn't see him yet, did we?

Lommy - Paksu
Has a fitting name, that's all.

Legate - Santa Claus
Still laughing at this casting. I liked his asking the clarifying questions, but it of course doesn't prove anything.

[Boromir88]

Is it sad I watched 3 different videos of reindeer calls to try and get the sounds as accurately as possible? It was like a cross between a pig and a wookie.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Is it sad I watched 3 different videos of reindeer calls to try and get the sounds as accurately as possible? It was like a cross between a pig and a wookie.

Be careful. That sound has likely been patented.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm sorry I've just shown up. I've just *sobs* I've been crying all Day. Why would someone do something so horrible to Suzy?

[Boromir88]

And here's what I've concluded so far...

Nothing new to say:

Sally and Shasta have yet to appear. Slow to get moving, but they will come.

Nerwen participates early, but will forget to vote today. I would say though, since we've already had the apocalypse, you can vote Day 1 and you don't have to feel like you're ending the world?

Those who have early on made me laugh:

Morsul's poetry was a lot better than Bombadil banging on about water lilies. Also, better than anything you get out those terrible poetry readings from psuedo-poets that get you so depressed you wish you would have snuck in that bottle of bourbon.

Zil's latest post, heh sounding like a cross between a pig and a wookie...classic.

Why so serious?

Legate - Could have possibly put him up in the first one, since it is nothing new for Legate to be all business, even on holiday leave...well actually I suppose this is the busiest time of the season for him. Watch and Wait.

Why so seriously unserious?

G55 - the snowflake snowman monument combined with

Lommy - List of people post is about as telling as mine. But where mine is seriously acknowledged as limitted to start and help me categorizing people (yep, sorry I fit people into personal compartments). I can't tell if Lommy's is a serious attempt to look unserious and random. Or if it's an unserious attempt to start the serious suspicion train a moving.

Coppermirror - What do I say about Nerwen's translation? It's quite wrong, but as the Sugar Plum Fairy I imagine she went for the literal translation just looking at a "Reindeer to Fairy dictionary." She clearly did not pick up the slight phonetic alterations between the ock and ok which significantly changes the meaning.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

G55 - the snowflake snowman monument combined with

And somehow I just stopped mid thought here...should be combined with a "I won't be here, but I kinda will" first post. Because as far as I know, reindeer don't have construction skills, it's why we have elves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Apologies. I was dealing with the weather; it will snow upon Suzy's grave forever more. And no, I'm not telling you what I had to promise the North Wind for that little favor.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And somehow I just stopped mid thought here...should be combined with a "I won't be here, but I kinda will" first post. Because as far as I know, reindeer don't have construction skills, it's why we have elves.

Hey! Don't you underestimate reindeer abilities!

...Wait, you are one.

[Galadriel55]

...whatever the above is supposed to mean.


Legate's post made me laugh about the first part and go "well, that's a valid question" in the second part. Modlote, if you happen to read this, I add my voice to the plea for elaboration.

Boro makes a semi-serious post, which I'm not sure how to interpret. I can't really tell how seriously it should be taken. But it's a good attempt to transition people from IC to the real stuff.

Not much beyond this. Except for the Reindeer talk translations. I was trying to piece it together for a while, what would it mean if Lommy/Nerwen/Boro had certain roles, but then gave up on it because it's semi-banter and while it could be a message it could just be banter and it's useless to go in this endless cycle. Message! Banter! Message! Banter!...


Hopefully this will get some talk started.

I'll be around every now and then between now and DL, cause the day turned out less busy than I thought. Goodie.

EDIT: xed with Morsul

[Galadriel55]

The first discussion-worthy thing:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

"okokclak onk owk clik ockockwonk"

translates to

"I am a werewolf disguised as a terrier disguised as a reindeer. Please lynch me before I die of confusion."

Well, well!

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Is that so? Borolive, what have you to say for yourself?

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh, really? My book gives:

"I am a cobbler disguised as an ordo disguised as a reindeer. Wolves please not my future use of reindeer language."

Then there's Lommy's 85% serious list, out of which this is the main (only?) serious thing:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

G55 - Rudolph
Already making apologies and excuses. How furry! Oh, I guess reindeer have furs... or do you call them pelts? Hides?

Then there's Boro's list, out of which these are probably the most serious comments:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Why so seriously unserious?

G55 - the snowflake snowman monument combined with

Lommy - List of people post is about as telling as mine. But where mine is seriously acknowledged as limitted to start and help me categorizing people (yep, sorry I fit people into personal compartments). I can't tell if Lommy's is a serious attempt to look unserious and random. Or if it's an unserious attempt to start the serious suspicion train a moving.

Coppermirror - What do I say about Nerwen's translation? It's quite wrong, but as the Sugar Plum Fairy I imagine she went for the literal translation just looking at a "Reindeer to Fairy dictionary." She clearly did not pick up the slight phonetic alterations between the ock and ok which significantly changes the meaning.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

And somehow I just stopped mid thought here...should be combined with a "I won't be here, but I kinda will" first post. Because as far as I know, reindeer don't have construction skills, it's why we have elves. [referring to his comment above about me]

Can't tell how serious he is. But he seems to rearrange Lommy's words about me (and I happen to be the only common serious comment).

Legate urges people to post opinions and looks for Cobblers and people who reply to Cobbler comments.

Morsul's reaction to everything and especially Legate's comment:

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Why'd I get singled out? Given Boro's hinting style I had a legitimate idea he might have been hining... with reindeer calls I don't know, it was a thought ad I shared it.

So far
Boro seemingpretty tame
Thin tosed out some general feelings in what looks like a genuine attempt to get the ball rolling.
Legate This post seems like a good a jumping point as any
Galadriel had same thought as me regarding Boro which scaresme not furry scary just in general Galadriel might want get checked if she thinks like me... shudders

everyone else not enugh to say much about.

I think the "singling out" is a good point, but what does suspicion of hinting have to do with it?... Sometimes I have trouble separating your ideas, Morsul.

Now as I'm reading I see that whenever people say "Christmas spirit" I get confused if they are being IC or if they mean RL Xmas preparations.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

If you're looking for that, then Coppermirror's first post seems the most fruitful, but I'm really grasping at straws here.

This actually stands out in a negative way. It's like Lommy is saying take a good look at Cop, but I'm not having any part in that suspicion! - but in a less exaggerated way. By the way, I can't see anything that special in that post. An I just being thick?

Cop's suspicion list. Semi-IC. No real suspicions. Her own summary:

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

So in summary, I really don't think we have anything of value to go on and I'm rather aghast at the prospect of picking people based either on what looks like meaningless banter or on who has failed to post much. The only thing I can think of doing right now is going entirely by gut instinct, which is a poor substitute for decent analysis. I'll try looking through things again and hope that something jumps out at me, or that there'll be further posts of interest.

Lommy's vote for Zil, because

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

My reasons: I figured Zil's been busy, but he gives a very lazy impression. As if he didn't have to catch wolves and he could just afford commenting this and that, mostly in bantery tone. That's the best I have for toDay.

Legate's suspicion-list post is wishy-washy and inconclusive.

Cop, while IC is quite fine, can you please separate it from your serious content? IC is fun, but not when I can't figure out if you're serious.



OK, I see people have posted since (#55 onwards), but it took me a real long time with lots of interruptions to finish this. I'll comment on the next posts separately.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Lommy - List of people post is about as telling as mine. But where mine is seriously acknowledged as limitted to start and help me categorizing people (yep, sorry I fit people into personal compartments). I can't tell if Lommy's is a serious attempt to look unserious and random. Or if it's an unserious attempt to start the serious suspicion train a moving.

I wanted to write a serious post but I realised pretty soon there's really nothing to go on by, so it ended up being 85% jokey. But I did pay attention to G55 apologies-in-advance and to your post which could have included a coded message. (To be fair, so could have Morsul's poetic first post, but yours struck me more that way.)

[McCaber]

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

[Coppermirror]

People I'm currently considering voting for:

G55 the Reindeer. Well. I wasn't entirely joking when I suggested that we examined the "Christmas cheer" statements from people. I wondered above whether a Christmas-hating wolf would suggest a snow monument for Suzy Snowflake, and actually, reflecting on that, I think one might. Yes, I know this is super flimsy reasoning. Right now I'm not getting any feelings of "G55 is innocent" from her comments.

Inzil the Snowman. I feel uneasy about Inzil's comments, but I can't put my finger on why, and don't want to make a mistake. He suggested that analysing things too much at this point could be damaging, which is true, especially for the Boro-Nerwen-Lommy thing he was talking about. But we have to analyse based on what we have in front of us, or not at all, so there's no choice. Maybe it was his suggestion that it would harm the Christmas spirit that's bothering me.

I'll give a list of suspicions. It's very flimsy and based on gut feelings, and my gut feelings aren't usually accurate, but it's better to put something on the table. The more people who do this, the better the information everyone will have toMorrow. I suggest that most of us should do this.

Not at all suspicious of:
Nobody except myself.

Not particularly worried about at present (but will examine further before voting):
Boro the Reindeer
Morsul Tim
Lommy Paksu

Feeling vaguely uneasy about:
Shasta Frost
Nerwen the Fairy
Legate Claus

Feeling quite uneasy about:
G55 the Reindeer
Inzil the Snowman

Extremely suspicious of:
Nobody, unfortunately.

Nothing much to judge by yet:
Sally Who
Eonwe Valkotukka

Edit: cross-posted with G55, Boro, Legate, McCaber.

[Coppermirror]

How long have we got until the deadline?

[Coppermirror]

Okay...

In that case, I'm planning to vote for Inzil unless something comes up before deadline.

The reason I'm not planning on voting for the other person I suspect right now, G55, is because I like her gut feeling list of suspicions and think it might be from the thought process of an innocent. She's also posted with further analysis. Although the bit where she's said I have "no real suspicions" while...actually pretty much true, does skim over the fact that she was at joint first place in my suspicions, flimsy as those suspicions are.

Goodness, that all sounds so negative and lacking in Christmas cheer! I should go and listen to some carols.

Edit: cross-posted with Boro.

[Coppermirror]

++Inzil

I'll be interested to see how other people vote after this.

The current tally:

Inzil - 2 votes (Thinlomien, Coppermirror)
Boro - 1 vote (Legate)

[Coppermirror]

One more thing - I've really got to note that the lack of posting from several people makes this Day really, really difficult. It would be extremely easy for a wolf or even two to be hiding amongst those people. I ended up not voting for quiet players this time, to give them a chance, but if I'm still around toMorrow, I'll definitely be looking at those people as more suspicious than I did toDay.

Edit: cross-posted with McCaber.

[Coppermirror]

Assuming it's okay to edit for this purpose, I'll go back and edit my vote so it's in red.

[Coppermirror]

Possibly the last post from me for the Day. I'd like to go over how my opinion's changed over the past little while in case I'm not around toMorrow to say so.

Sally, Shasta: Have said painfully little. ToMorrow I'd be increasingly suspicious of them.

G55 : No change. I'm still suspicious of her, still not on great grounds. That could change either way if we got to a Day with more substance. I think I'd at least need to examine how she votes toDay. She does seem to be actively participating at the moment, which is good.

Eonwe: Has stayed quiet until just before the end, so I'd be thinking of that as suspicious tomorrow. It is convenient that he's kept himself out of the way as a target of discussion but has shown up just now. I find it a little suspicious that he said my posts so far have been "mostly totally in-character banter", since although there has been plenty of that, I've been making an effort at analysis too for a while now. Other than that, his brief analysis of people looks reasonable to me.

Morsul: No change. Hasn't posted much of any substance, which is a problem. Anyone willing to comment on how Morsul usually plays? I'm not familiar with it.

Nerwen: Not a huge amount of change. Doesn't seem to have contributed a lot to the discussions so far, although her last post was interesting. I'll have to think about that one more before reaching any real conclusions, but my first impression of it did raise my suspicion of her a bit.

Inzil: Voted for him. I'm finding it hard to read his behaviour from after I said I was likely to vote for him. Would have to think about this one more too.

Boro: My initial impression was of innocence. As time goes on I'm not so sure of that, but I still don't have any particular reason to suspect him yet.

McCaber : Has said fairly little, but decided to vote for Sally on the grounds of quietness. That's reasonable, but it could also be a really good vote for a wolf to make.

Lommy - No change. At present she doesn't look particularly suspicious to me.

Legate - Little change from before. I'm still feeling uneasy about them, but I haven't played with them before. I found the exchange between them and Boro about Boro's usual playing style confusing.

I'm quite concerned at how easy it could have been for wolves to stay quiet toDay or to only show up and post near the end, when it was safe.

Edit: cross-posted with the last 4 comments.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I wanted to write a serious post but I realised pretty soon there's really nothing to go on by, so it ended up being 85% jokey. But I did pay attention to G55 apologies-in-advance and to your post which could have included a coded message. (To be fair, so could have Morsul's poetic first post, but yours struck me more that way.)

I suppose it could, but I'm a bit more hit you right over the head with coded messages. I got a kick out of the phantom last time with his "Boro's 5th letter of his 1st sentence is an I, then the 7th letter of his 4th sentence is an S. This is clearly a message!"

Nah, it's more like what an ordinary day we're having, don't you think? That's all the complicated my head and messages get.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boro

I suppose it could, but I'm a bit more hit you right over the head with coded messages. I got a kick out of the phantom last time with his "Boro's 5th letter of his 1st sentence is an I, then the 7th letter of his 4th sentence is an S. This is clearly a message!"

Nah, it's more like what an ordinary day we're having, don't you think? That's all the complicated my head and messages get.

Mostly it looked like you could be making an opening for future coded messages involving reindeer speech. But I anyway agree with you about it being a very ordinary Day this far.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Maybe we should look for someone saying "I'm the Cobbler wolves please don't kill me". That strikes me as the only coded message really worth sending, but I'm not really getting that from Morsul's doggerel or Boro's clickety clacking.

If you're looking for that, then Coppermirror's first post seems the most fruitful, but I'm really grasping at straws here.

[Eönwë]

#14 - Lommy's 'semi-real' list.
Potential suspicions:
G55
Morsul
Boro


#18 - Boro
Lommy, but he's not sure what.


#24 - G55
Brings up the reindeer-translating Lommy/Nerwen/Boro possibility, then rejects it straight away.


#29 - Boro
Adds CM to the Lommy/Nerwen/Boro trio to be discussed.

#31 - Morsul
Likes:
Boro
Lommy
[Something I don't understand with Legate]


#34 - Zil
Doesn't think it's worth examining the trio.


#35 - McCaber
Suspects Legate


#39 - Lommy posts a serious list.

Likes:
CM
Morsul
McCaber

Dislikes:
G55
Zil (possibly)

Uncertain of:
Legate
Boro


#44 - CM's semi-serious list

Potential accusation:
G55
Nerwen


#47 - Shasta
Has G55 is over-helpful, then retracts


#48 - Lommy votes
Zil


#50 - Legate-list

Suspects:
G55
Zil
Boro

Don't seem bad:
CM
Morsul
Nerwen
McCaber
Lommy


#51 - G55's gut-feeling post.

Likes:
Shasta
Zil

Unsure:
Morsul
CM
Nerwen
Lommy

Suspects:
Legate
Boro


#55 - Serious CM list

Likes:
Boro
Morsul
Lommy

Unsure:
Shasta
Nerwen
Legate

Dislikes:
G55
Inzil


#56 - Zil
Likes Lommy


#61 - Legate
Potential Boro suspicion


#62 - G55
Suspects:
Boro
Lommy


#65 - Legate
VERY light suspicion of CM


#70 - CM
Top suspect: Zil
Next suspect: G55


#72 - G55
Most likely to vote: Legate
Also suspects: Boro


#73 - Legate
Votes Boro

Vote tally:
Lommy -> Zil
Legate -> Boro

#74 - CM
Votes Zil

Vote tally:
Lommy -> Zil
Legate -> Boro
CM -> Zil (2)


#75 - McCaber
Plans to vote Sally


#79 - Steve-list

Innocent:
G55
Morsul

Not innocent enough:
Zil
Boro
McCaber
Lommy
Legate (as a Cobbler)


#80 - Boro
Suspects CM


#81 - Zil
Doesn't like:
CM
G55


#83 - Boro
Votes Sally

Vote tally:
Lommy -> Zil
Legate -> Boro
CM -> Zil (2)
Boro -> Sally


#84 - G55
Wants to go for Legate
Claims there's a CM bandwaggon


#85 - Steve
CM not cobbler

Though not entirely innocent, would rather not lynch:
Zil
Legate


#87 - Zil
Suspects Legate
Claims there is no CM bandwaggon


[TO BE CONTINUED]


And now I absolutely have to go, sadly just before the important part. I should be back in a few hours for a few hours, and then that'll be it for me until after Christmas.



edit: x-ed since my last.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Is it sad I watched 3 different videos of reindeer calls to try and get the sounds as accurately as possible? It was like a cross between a pig and a wookie.

Is it sad after reading this, I watched any videos I could find with reindeer sounds to see if there was a certain call being imitated, to be interpretted?

I think this will be a silly game. And thank you for your kind words of my rambling Seussosity.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Is it sad after reading this, I watched any videos I could find with reindeer sounds to see if there was a certain call being imitated, to be interpretted?

Is it sad that I was just doing the same thing too some 5 minutes ago?

[Coppermirror]

I'm unsure what tactic we ought to take. I'm adoring the fun banter on this Day, but that won't help us to catch the villains. Then again, setting up some sort of scheme that would soon be discarded might be a waste of time too, unless someone has a really good suggestion and it can be implemented quickly.

I know! We must let the joy of Christmas fill our hearts. The fiends we are facing have tightly wound hearts which hate Christmas, like that miser Scrooge. When they speak of their love of the season, they may betray themselves inadvertently.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Never played with him/her before. Only saw Bêthberry asking on Facebook who admits playing werewolf under the name Coppermirror on the 'downs. I assume this means I have to be wary.

I'm but a harmless Ghost who likes to spread good cheer.

This is my third game. I'd read a lot of old games (starting from the oldest games, in order) as a hobby of mine before signing up for my first game, so I sounded a lot better informed than the average newbie Werewolf player, and a few people got suspicious about whether I could be someone who'd played before under a new name or somebody who had experience with the game elsewhere. But, that really was my first game of Werewolf or anything like it. I made plenty of newbie mistakes in my first game, but they just weren't the type of newbie mistakes people were most used to. Being informed about theory doesn''t make up for lack of experience.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm around, relatively, but there just hasn't really been anything that's caught my eye enough to mention. I'm going to go eat, then have another read - it's all been pretty quiet, thus far. Legate seems to be the only person really discussing much.

[McCaber]

Going totally by my gut, I suspect Legate Claus. Nothing happens in this town without the Big Man knowing about it.

Last I checked, reindeer and wolves were mortal enemies. Which means Boro's probably on the level. Unless he sold us out in exchange for safe passage.

CM I have no experience with, so I'm going to leave him be for now.

Shasta, like myself, has a history of saying much less than he thinks. His instincts are usually pretty correct unless something changed massively in the past year or so I've been away.

G55 and Boro have been first to the analysis of posts. But it's early yet, and for Day1 things aren't going too badly.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Going totally by my gut, I suspect Legate Claus. Nothing happens in this town without the Big Man knowing about it.

Singing a slaying song, is he?

Man, I need to try for once getting all my Christmas stuff done sooner. My brief skims of this haven't led to much thus far, but we've still got some time.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Apologies. I was dealing with the weather; it will snow upon Suzy's grave forever more. And no, I'm not telling you what I had to promise the North Wind for that little favor.

Sounds like a guilty conscience to me.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Not sure why... but read this in a dixie southern woman's voice and it was Hilarious

Well, I could speak it that way quite convincingly...the Dixie part, that is.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Not much beyond this. Except for the Reindeer talk translations. I was trying to piece it together for a while, what would it mean if Lommy/Nerwen/Boro had certain roles, but then gave up on it because it's semi-banter and while it could be a message it could just be banter and it's useless to go in this endless cycle. Message! Banter! Message! Banter!...

I've looked into the matter. However, I don't think speculation of any real meaning would be useful at this point, and it could be damaging, at least to those in the Christmas spirit...

x/d with Shasta